So I was watching a special on a train in Japan runs on magnets. If it can move a train could the same technology be used used to power a generator?
I was thinking through the use of pistons connected to a crank shaft of sorts used to turn a generator. Possibly generating operating power from solar or wind power to get started.
What are possible problems with this idea?
Do you know of a reason it would not work?
How could we make it work?
Any and all input on this topic will be greatly appreciated as I have little experience.
Thank you,
Hi!
There is one guy that claims that it is possible at this link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5660.0;topicseen
Jesus
Thank you,
I'll take a look.
Well I just spoke with a professor at the Southwest institute & he seemed to think that baised on the introduction of friction as well as the heat generated compounded by any and all gears that would be involved I would yield less energy than i created.
Still that video was intreging.
And there are a couple of other technologies to consider that could reduce the friction.
I feel that the only way to know for me, is to build a (probably several) model.
Anybody got any spare time & want to work with me on this?
It's possible, but to this date 99.9% of the population couldn't figure out how to make one work. The mag-lev trains aren't really propelled by magnets. The magnets provide levitation for friction-less travel. Problem with magnets is that they repel and attract with the same force in the basic configurations. It would be easy if we could somehow construct a magnetic shield, but so far we have nothing that can do that. It either goes right through the material or around it, but is never nullified. Get some small neodymiums to experiment with and you will see how difficult it is to do. The best idea I've seen so far with getting work out of magnets is paul sprains spiral design.
Freezer,
That was interesting here is a powerpoint presentation on it.
[PPT]
Presented at the: International Conference on Future Energy II
Interesting, i actually was sitting the other day doing something else and the thought randomly popped into my head so i wrote down the words self propelled generator using magnets. I have a theory of a way to build a generator powered by magnets but it was literally a fleeting visualisation (i mentally construct anything like this i hated doing the writing of method conclusions blah blah in school for this reason)
I'm actually ordering some supplies as soon as i have the funds to build a desktop version and will let you know how it goes.
Quote from: Lee on November 03, 2008, 03:13:07 PM
Freezer,
That was interesting here is a powerpoint presentation on it.
[PPT]
Presented at the: International Conference on Future Energy II
Hi Lee, do you mean to include a link to the powerpoint presentation (but you forgot)?
Thanks, Gyula
Gyula,
the link: www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/COFE/Loder.ppt -
GestaltO,
I would appreciate it if you would let us know how that works out for you.
I personally know little about the equasions and method. I've just been good at theory, it seems to me that the secret lies in the actual materials (their underlying properties in conjunction) used to construct a working model. I would not venture to think that a working prototype is going to be constructed out of your evryday materials.
I truly appreciate everyones feed back honestly let's keep it coming!
I half expected to get laughed off the site as what I am really proposing is a form of perpetual energy.
I would really like to speak with anyone who fully understands the equasions behind this!
I am currently building an all pemanent magnet motor device. I think that I have a good design of my own creation that, if successful, might be in the class of a small Howard Johnson type permanent magnet motor. However, it is not designed anything like a Howard Johnson motor. It is totally different from anything out there.
Have you went about getting it patented?
If so or if not could you tell us a little more about how it is different from the HO JO design?
Like I stated earlier I have several theories on different ways to make this work but, I need someone to help me with the equations. I do not have the time right now to go about teaching myself.
If there is anyone near San Antonio Tx that has some experience email me lee@pleasantrealty.net
Quote from: Lee on November 03, 2008, 07:36:25 PM
Have you went about getting it patented?
If so or if not could you tell us a little more about how it is different from the HO JO design?
Like I stated earlier I have several theories on different ways to make this work but, I need someone to help me with the equations. I do not have the time right now to go about teaching myself.
If there is anyone near San Antonio Tx that has some experience email me lee@pleasantrealty.net
I won't try to patent it until I know that it will work. I do have some short movies of previous motors that use magnets in the rotor and stator. They are power assisted through a 12" speaker actuator. You are welcome to watch these videos at my web site. Just click on the world icon under the Tesla picture. I'm a little North of you in Kansas.
Quote from: Liberty on November 03, 2008, 07:56:31 PM
I won't try to patent it until I know that it will work. I do have some short movies of previous motors that use magnets in the rotor and stator. They are power assisted through a 12" speaker actuator. You are welcome to watch these videos at my web site. Just click on the world icon under the Tesla picture. I'm a little North of you in Kansas.
In my opinion, no great discoveries are made using mathematics and equations. Math is a useful tool to verify through numbers what you have discovered through experimentation. Use your mind to create and test a device before you build it. Examine it from every way and test and see it work in your mind. Use the basis for your mental tests with known experimentation that you have performed before. It takes time to imagine and create, but the experience is wonderful and rewarding.
I must add my 2 cents on this topic. I've worked with designing permanent magnet motors for years. I've made them in just about every possible fashion you can think of. Unfortunately I have most likely tried whatever ideas your already thinking. I do not mean this as a negative response, just that maybe I can add my failures, to help others avoid the same mistakes. Then maybe someone will try something I never thought of and succeed.
Anyway, that original video is not a fraud at all. I have personally worked with that concept, and with a little searching on you tube you will see the same concept many times over again. The fact that he wears gloves has nothing to do with how it works. It is only working because he is holding the ring. There is minute movements from his hand that is keeping it moving. If he was to set the ring down, it stops. This is also the problem with Howard Johnson motors, at least all I've studied anyway. Someone has to hold a magnet in the end for it to work. You would be surprised how tiny of motion your hand will make subconsiously to keep a motor running, even when you dont know your doing it. That's why most of these do not work in reality, they require human interaction, and sometimes it truely appears there is no movement, but trust me, there is 99.99% of the time.
Honestly, I believe the answer does not just lie with permanent magnets alone. But it does lie in the use of magnetic fields. I have a working free energy device I will release very soon. I will post the link here as soon as I release it.
Quote from: Liberty on November 03, 2008, 09:27:39 PM
In my opinion, no great discoveries are made using mathematics and equations. Math is a useful tool to verify through numbers what you have discovered through experimentation. Use your mind to create and test a device before you build it. Examine it from every way and test and see it work in your mind. Use the basis for your mental tests with known experimentation that you have performed before. It takes time to imagine and create, but the experience is wonderful and rewarding.
Now that is some good advice. It's just that I would like to run some of my ideas by someone who understands the mathematics and equasions. Two minds are better than one. As far as examining it in my mind that is one thing I can do I have a very vivid picture of a couple of ways to make this work. To be honest 1 of my idea's kind of works like a nuclear plant. It's not the nuke that is the power it's the steam created from the heat. All a nuke power plant is is a really complicated steam engine.
captainpecan,
I agree with what you are saying, but could you not just design a program & sensors to compensate for the "human" in the experiment? An I would enjoy the oppertunity to learn from your mistakes.
Now if we could just get everyone hear to work together on this, freely exchange ideas, methods & materials used I know we could put something together. Even 1 mesurement of energy more than put in would be a substancial.
I look forward to your responses.
Quote from: Lee on November 04, 2008, 10:52:31 AM
I agree with what you are saying, but could you not just design a program & sensors to compensate for the "human" in the experiment?
Yes, theoretically we could do that. But unfortunately not only has it not been accomplished YET, that would take energy to do also. Defeating the gains you would get... My theory anyway... Hey, I dont know everything by any means, if you can figure it out, by all means, I'll back you 100%. But, dont close your mind to other possibilities like I use to do, concentrating on only using permanent magnets for power. By all means, try your ideas, just try to find something slightly different to try than everyone else is trying.
HI!
There is a person who deals with magnetism and permanent motors on this link: http://www.magnetmotor.at/
The only problem is that most of it is in german. But he has given some interesting pdfs that can be downloaded.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5501.msg125460#msg125460
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5501.msg130301#msg130301
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5501.msg134639#msg134639
By the way I dont know him. I just was browsing and saw the information and shared it.
Jesus
Those links provided some interesting video's
Thank you
lee. I am now in the process of constructing my first rudimentary prototype using only things i have around the house...bar the neomags which i bought obviously. I predict that i will be fnished sometime in the next 2 days depending on other stuff i have to do as well
Let us know how it works.
Are you going to post it on U-tube?
no disrespect to anyone else on the forum but no i will not post anything on youtube until i know i am protected for credit. I am not particularly bothered about monetary gain, although obviously it would be nice to fund other projects, i'm not as naive as some others on the net and i understand that free energy will realistically not happen in my lifetime, PEOPLE need to change first.
However i will post my results on here but again without anything that could give too much away. for yourself lee, i will give you a little more information considering you were the one who started this particular thread not long after i had my idea.
GestaltO,
I both respect and appreciate that.
I look forward to what you share with us.
"i understand that free energy will realistically not happen in my lifetime"
I never though I would see a black president in my lifetime did you?
Let us create the future here & now!
well i'm british, so the US president has little meaning for me, however race is nothing to do with a personals ability to manipulate their way into power like, whether it be bush, obama or our own morons in power. while things like patriotism of any country exists, or greed or numerous other human flaws then yup it'll never happen in my lifetime. :(
Ok fair enough,
Still I think on a local community level it may be possible.
very true. And thats a good starting point, but i live in a suburb with 16,000 people i doubt our local government would agree to this and i imagine would find some way to stop us
I'd tell them to go to hell!
Besides if what you or anyone else builds is effective what are they going to do go door to door and inquire why your electric bill is so low? If you have a magnetic generator in your garage?
Ya try taking one out my house!
Please let me get that on the news.
What is going to happen is what has happened in the past some energy company will buy the patient and destroy your working model.
If you do not what to go along with it you are just going to have to have a little accident.
I would not build one I'd build 50 or 100 supply my friends and family with them & show them how it works.
Go door to door with a small working model in my own community tell them to tell there friends. You just have to get the word out.
The people are ready for an clean energy revolution.
The few powerfull elite can not stop idea's in this day and age there are too many forms of communication. It is simply too easy to get people involved.
I work with a couple of hedge funds & I'm fairly certain given a little time I could procure some serious funding for a large scale project!
Quote from: Lee on November 06, 2008, 07:04:06 PM
What is going to happen is what has happened in the past some energy company will buy the patient and destroy your working model.
Right, so oil companies collect free energy patents to prevent others from developing the technology. That sounds great in theory but it does not compute logically.
First, how many patent infringment lawsuits have you seen or heard of that relate to free energy? I mean, with the oil companies armed with these patents, you would think they would be slapping down infringers left and right.
Second, can you point to a patent for a free energy device that actually works? I mean, there must be lots of them, and the oil companies own them all. Patents are published online and are free to view, so let's see one.
shruggedatlas,
Ya you are right about that I have done no reseach to support that claim but, can you really say it is beyond the realm of possibility?
I mean international corporations are your friend right?
Look at everything thats being done for the enviornment by them and how well corporations like nike & gap pay people in third world countries. What is the whole war in Iraq about? If it was for what Saddam did in the 80's why did the we not take him out in the first gulf war?
Corporations are fascist entities that control governments and global economics.
Thay have never done anything unethical ever.
What exactly happened with Teslas research?
Maybe I am wrong or maybe you are just nieve.
Still thank you for responding & I do appoligize if I offend you.
How about we just keep this thread positive and stick to the subject.
We are all here to learn & I hope suggest and support each others ideas!
Quote from: Lee on November 06, 2008, 08:01:25 PM
shruggedatlas,
Ya you are right about that I have done no reseach to support that claim but, can you really say it is beyond the realm of possibility?
I mean international corporations are your friend right?
Look at everything thats being done for the enviornment by them and how well corporations like nike & gap pay people in third world countries. What is the whole war in Iraq about? If it was for what Saddam did in the 80's why did the we not take him out in the first gulf war?
Corporations are fascist entities that control governments and global economics.
Thay have never done anything unethical ever.
What exactly happened with Teslas research?
Maybe I am wrong or maybe you are just nieve.
Still thank you for responding & I do appoligize if I offend you.
I am impossible to offend, so don't worry about that.
But, yes, I do think that is outside the realm of possibility. It is simply not how things work in the world with relation to patents. Owning a patent does not enable you to stop anyone from initially building the infringing device or even spreading word about it. It just gives you the right to sue to stop someone from continuing to do it.
In fact people infringe on patents all the time without even realizing it, because it is practically impossible to search the patent database and see if you are infringing. Moreover, many people get away with infringement simply because the workings of their device is not public, and the patent owner is not aware that someone out there is infringing.
Lastly, patents are only good for 20 years, so after that, it's fair game. So, logically, we should be seeing people make use of expired patent technology.
Like you said it is nearly impossible to search through all the patients & even if you could how from them how could you tell which ones actually work?
Honestly I was speaking to an retired air force general a few years ago my mom used to take care of. He said he had a friend that had a working model of a generator that work based on magnets. That it was purchased from him for a reasonable sum & he had to sign a confidentiality agreement that he could not speak about it.
When his friend asked him why he sold it he said the other option was not so appealing.
Maybe he was just a crazy old man maybe he was telling the truth?
Hi!
@all
There is another presentation of the person who claims built a working magnetic motor here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?kizkwmiygmw
Jesus
Hi!
Also this other person made a video about a perendev motor replication working:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uHh5AqQ4_xw&feature=related
Jesus
Quote from: Lee on November 06, 2008, 08:45:59 PM
Like you said it is nearly impossible to search through all the patients & even if you could how from them how could you tell which ones actually work?
Honestly I was speaking to an retired air force general a few years ago my mom used to take care of. He said he had a friend that had a working model of a generator that work based on magnets. That it was purchased from him for a reasonable sum & he had to sign a confidentiality agreement that he could not speak about it.
When his friend asked him why he sold it he said the other option was not so appealing.
Maybe he was just a crazy old man maybe he was telling the truth?
The story is simply not credible. No arrangement of permanent magnets will result in perpetual motion. It's just not how this universe works. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a "resonable sum" for such a discovery, were it true. It's worth would be insanely huge.
One more thing, why aren't these oil companies using these devices to sell energy cheaply, instead of spending untold sums bringing up oil?
Quote from: shruggedatlas on November 06, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
The story is simply not credible. No arrangement of permanent magnets will result in perpetual motion. It's just not how this universe works. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a "resonable sum" for such a discovery, were it true. It's worth would be insanely huge.
One more thing, why aren't these oil companies using these devices to sell energy cheaply, instead of spending untold sums bringing up oil?
Would your profession or background be in physics by chance?
Perhaps no known arrangement of permanent magnets has resulted in perpetual motion so far as we know... This might be a little less bold, but I think it is more likely to be a correct statement that will stand, wouldn't you agree?
However, I do agree with you about the oil companies and free energy patents.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on November 06, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
No arrangement of permanent magnets will result in perpetual motion.
in theory i am 99% certain my device will work and once started will not stop, like an everlasting battery that never needs to be charged. if i fail i will admit i have failed and refine the process. i do not fiddle with equations and crap, if someone wants to apply equations and dynamics to it afterwards then that's their waste of time. my goal is to power a lightbulb first then i will...asuming i have the £££...refine it to power more and make it neater.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on November 06, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
It's just not how this universe works.
according to whom?
this is a bias statement based on other peoples theories and "observations" it is also factually incorrect, we do not know how the "universe" works a more viable statement would have been thats not how magnetism works or how the earth works and even then it goes back to being bias. the education of science is totally different from actual science in my opinion.
on another note i think it's retarded that you can patent something that doesn't work, it leads to even more chaos than we already have.
as for the whole free energy + oil companies = money or death unfortunately thats something that at present we can't prove, and is, like science...a theory, which some will agree with and some won't.
and as for the whole reasonable sum thing...i'd say 95% of people have a price, that's why we are capitalist world.
anything is possible i did something in VB a few weeks back that should take 43 lines of code minimum according to what i have been educated in and from looking at other peoples work...i did it in 5 lines...i'm not some crazy genius at all, i just pi** about till i get the result i want in the shortest way possible, no matter how long it takes or how much i want to die in the process
"One more thing, why aren't these oil companies using these devices to sell energy cheaply, instead of spending untold sums bringing up oil?"
greed is powerful. the more rare something is the more value it has. oil is getting scarce, simple.
Not saying i'm right just my 2 cents on that part
Quote from: Lee on November 06, 2008, 03:54:45 PM
"i understand that free energy will realistically not happen in my lifetime"
Honestly, free energy is already here, and has been since Tesla if not sooner. Actually, to be quite honest, it has always been here, and just simply overlooked every single day because of closed mindedness. And, dont rule it out yet. Free energy is not a legend anymore, that I can promise you from personal experience. The answers may be closer than you think.
Quote from: GestaltO on November 06, 2008, 11:07:25 PM
"One more thing, why aren't these oil companies using these devices to sell energy cheaply, instead of spending untold sums bringing up oil?"
greed is powerful. the more rare something is the more value it has. oil is getting scarce, simple.
Not saying i'm right just my 2 cents on that part
I've often wondered the same thing, but I tend to agree with you there. Why not make as much as possible on the scarce resources until they are gone, as long as they control it. If you havn't noticed, BP has already started leaning toward other powers and working on getting a foothold in that market too. Natural Gas is where they are trying to push it to next, because that is going to be the next scarce resource. Big mistake, electric is the only real answer. Other than of course hydrogen from water splitting to make use of all our combustion engines as the shift to electric continues. I am a firm believer that natural gas is a big mistake if we let them get us switched that direction. It will not only end up worse than oil, it will end up costing everyone $1000 or more a month, just to heat their home, not to mention to fuel their car with it.
In my opinion, electric is the only true way to go, as it can be generated by many means, and we find new ways every day.
yup, exactly. As for the free energy being around since tesla yes and no. Free energy can and does exist in numerous forms, solar, wind, water etc etc, but people control the manufaturing at present. what i actually meant was not the inventions and devices themseleves but the freedom to utilise them in every home in the world will not happen in my lifetime due to greed and ignorance of mankind, as sad as it may be :'(
been reading some of your stuff in the overunity prize threads today, very intriguing, looking forward to seeing what you have come up with. just don't be as naive as some poeple that are around when posting your findings. Also remember open source or not, someone somewhere WILL make money from your ideas, you can't police the world unfortunately.
Quote from: GestaltO on November 07, 2008, 08:29:56 PM
Also remember open source or not, someone somewhere WILL make money from your ideas, you can't police the world unfortunately.
I'm not worried about that. I think it would be fantastic if all us little guys have a shot at it for a change. It would be great if anyone who wanted to make a better life for their family, could do so simply by helping their local area convert to green energy. I'm not after fortunes, I do however just hope I could get a little myself too, so I could improve the quality of lives around me. Not to mention, it would be nice if I could afford to continue more research. So, I dont care who all makes money on it. I just hope to get a little myself too, I'm sick of being broke!!!! lol...
captainpecan & GestaltO
Thank you guys for your input I would agree with both of you & to be honest it inspires me to read this posted by someone else!
If anyone is currious where I've been all day I recieved an offering of 3000+ properties (Disstressed Assets/realestate owned properties) directly from an international institution (ya one of the ones I hate) valued at 355 M I've been going over it with my buyer today and running it through pricing models.
Monday we should have an offer ready @ about 60% of the "market value" bank is looking for 70% but, I do not think they where expecting me to get them an offer on the entire portfolio. I'm hoping for a little more discount baised on volume.
Wish me Luck!
well i'm a realist so my main goal is money to fund other, more complex projects and refine current ones, and to improve the planet by reducing pollution and war based on greed. we need to worry about the planet before we can even imagine a world where we all use free energy.
Assuming my device works i would also like to visit third world countries to see how i could implement it in villages to give others less fortunate a fighting chance.
If i didnt have a mortgage, child and i was a lottery winner i would happily give things away. but unfortunately there has to be a compromise.
@ Lee
i may be being a tard but whats that post? is that you getting funding? or am i being a gimp? lol
ok so whilst constructing my prototype i noticed some "possible flaws" in my design which, although i dont think would have prevented it from working , could and probably would have decreased its efficiency.
so i was researching this....
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6006.0
anyone who knows anything about magnetism will not need further explanation.
anyway in the absence of actually being able to get a monopole magnet i decided to make one...of sorts. first off i thought about sheilding, as other people have tried, but until i get ahold of something that claims to be a lightweight flexible material similar to cotton that can sheild i abandoned this due to the potential issues added weight to my device may cause.
anyhow. after frigging hours of fiddly annoying mother f*%&^(% messing about i have made a well...we'll call it a supressedpole magnet utilising multiple magnets which still give extra weight but not too much and i am confident i can overcome it. due to the pressure being exerted i dont know if its going to be able to last but at present the opposing pole is only present in one very very minor place which i may even be able to use to my advantage, especially if i reverse the workings of my design.
anyway i know this still doesn't reveal much but i am building this out of literally SCRAP so it's not the easiest thing to do and i dont want to say too much till its finished.
GestaltO,
Pretty much, if I can bring these two entities to a meeting of the minds what I've been working on for the past 6 months will be brought to fruition. I have had to make many sacrifices.
This is not an internet scam with joker brokers & I know a guy who knows a guy intermediary chains.
I am a Real estate consaultant. All I do each day (currently) for my career is call Financial institutions introduce myself and my company which incidentaly if you check out will show up as owned by a retired Colonel of the US Army (my partner).
I build relationships with the asset managers & executives who can decide at what price the bank will sell the property they foreclose on.
& I have buyers not Joe blow buyers but, funds with hundreds of millions of $$$$ that have been referred to me. Bank releases inventory I take to funds they make offers.
What makes this deal special is I am 1 of only 8 individuals in the world who have this list of properties & the contact information for the asset manager. I have been authorized to carve out portfolios by any criteria my buyers sees fit.
As far as
I have every intention of investing in building a working generator it may be a couple of years before I'll have sufficient funds to assemble the kind of think tank I want but, it will happen.
I mean think about it with the types of resources that are squandered on creating things to destroy each other if even a percentage of that 500 B a year (US alone) was set aside for the development of new technoligies what kind of discoveries do you think we could make?
That is my purpose for comming to this forum to find like minded individuals who will be willing to come together & create something that will alter the world.
The problem is funding the neccesary facilities & quality accomidations that will draw great minds!
What I make on a single deal is nice but, not enough.
I'm setting up a couple other streams of passive income with realestate though. Tuesday I am meeting with a couple of gentalmen who own 1,800 real estate offices nationwide (20,000 agents). They where interested in purchasing my list of contacts (UM NO). That would be unprofessional you can not sell relationships! Instead I'm going to take applications from qualified brokers & utilize my contacts to acquire them listings from the banks of which I will be paid 25% of thier commision (referral fee) for each house they or any of thier agents sell. As long as banks are foreclosing on homes I'll be making money.
Sometimes you have to change things from within the establishment! Well at least use thier $$$ to do it.
As far as "High Energy Mono Polar Materials" that is exactly the kind of information I was looking for when in an earlier post in this thread I stated that what I think will make this work will not be your everyday materials.
Magnet-amplifying engine
e-patentnews - Wonder Device : Maxforce Engine
e-patentnews - When it comes to high energy-intensive permanent magnet can obtain dynamic energy immediately without thermodynamics and pressure dynamics by alternating each end of the pole and creating polarity ? attraction and repulsion. He explained that his invention is designed as a device to obtain energy from magnetic point of view. And this is heralded as the realization of power generator with new paradigm, applying leverage principle, law of inertia, centrifugal force, magnetic repulsion, floating, magnetic bearing, ventilation recycling, and Bernoulli principle.
'Magnet-amplifying engine' (300hp drive engine) was developed, shocking the world. Having installed Solenoid at each left and right end of a permanent magnet and excited it so that each pole can alternate with each other, thereby polarity occurs between permanent magnetic force and that of Solenoid, creating magnetic attraction and repulsion on a regular basis, and transforming it into rotation motion through oscillating motion using piston and crank that can run cars, ship, and aircraft.
Development of non-combustion magnetic engine without fuel supply for the first time in the world
Realization of motive power using magnetic force as attraction and repulsion
Permanent magnet (piston) is a basic component of engine and a major source of motive power
Development of equipment for producing clean generative power that is highly efficient and safe.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Shinyeon_Energy_Research_Center 8)
definately something to keep an eye on. the updraft tower is cool. but how exactly does it create artificial pressure variances, the word artificial suggests it rrequires a power source to do so.
the magnet engine unfortunately as of yet has no further information and is classified as still in development, but i'll be watching this with great interest. thanks for the post
from photos i've viewed it suggests this magnetic engine requires power to run, certainly gives clean energy but not free, but we'll see. the updraft tower claims to be self sustaining once started though.
It sounds to me like you are working on the same, or similar project to the Howard Johnson concepts. If you have not studied much of his work, you might give it a look. Pretty impressive, yet, still doesnt really work. Who knows, it's good info though!
ok well my intial device hasn't worked as i'd envisioned :-\ anyone who wants to gloat feel free but know i think your pathetic if you do. However inthe process i ahve realised the flaws in my theory and am looking into a number of different ways to combat it utilising numerous different posts on here and my own theories. if only i had a true monopole magnet or some room temperature superconductors laying around (i can dream can't i)
while i've been doing this ive become obsessed with magnetic fields. and note that the earths magnet field, although we say has a north and south pole is incorrect as they move independantly of each other, which suggests that the earths magnetic field is actually 2 opposing monopole fields.
anyway i'm going to keep this thread active (hopefully with the help of lee and cpt pecan as it seems to be a fairly productive one unlike some others on here.
tulook,
Shinyeon Energy Research Center of Korea
magnet-amplifying piston engine "oscillating motion using piston and crank that can run cars, ship, and aircraft."
Well I guess I'm not the only one who thought that would work! Hell it was just last week I posted in this very thread that I called a professor at the Southwest Institute regarding that very idea & he told me it would not work! "There would be too much friction & heat in the crankshaft & subsiquent gearbox"
I think I'll sent him this link: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Shinyeon_Energy_Research_Center
GestaltO
Sounds good to me let's keep this thread productive!
Quote from: shruggedatlas on November 06, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
The story is simply not credible. No arrangement of permanent magnets will result in perpetual motion. It's just not how this universe works. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a "resonable sum" for such a discovery, were it true. It's worth would be insanely huge.
One more thing, why aren't these oil companies using these devices to sell energy cheaply, instead of spending untold sums bringing up oil?
Any old timer story is credible. Respect your elders. The Universe works in mysterious ways. The "reasonable sum" would be ecomomics, or your life. As for the Oil Companys go. Oil has market share, magnetmotors do not.
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Thank you for that.
We have to face the fact that their are far more things that we do not understand than those that we do.
Let's focus our time here on looking for solutions!
agreed. Human nature is to understand things, the way we obtain understanding is via mathmetical equations. if a mathmetical equation cannot be successfully applied then it is considered impossible. however it is merely unable to be explained within a mathmatical format.
I agree given conventional mathimatical equasions.
I was just thinking the other day after I saw a commercial for some company the theme was the
"Human Element"
& it occureed to me how right that is
Are we not the the most prelivent example of overunity?
Our body, mind & spirit
Our largly untaped potential is infinite!
i think infinite may be overstating, but yes humans are a largely untapped resource. The human brain is very underused.
The term "infinite" is a ridiculous notion, in my opion there is no such thing, infinite is a term humans use to describe something that is too big for them to discover and/or comprehend. the universe for example is considered to be infinite, however that is not neccessarily the case, it is merely to big for us to comprehend or discover and ending.
For all we know our planet is classed as an atom by some bigger race, one day they'll put the earth in an LHC and we'll all be royally fu**ed!
Kinda like that Dr. Suess movie that recently came out horton hears a who or the end of both men in black movies?
I see your point
havent watched horton yet, but yeah MIB is a pefect example.
Niether have I just remember reading the book as a child.
Has anyone heard or seen anything new in the generator area?
I saw something interesting the other day using plasma in a magnetic field to contain fusion.
Basically harnessing the power of the sun there are several of these devices currently operating (however limited) around the world.
I forget what they where called can anyone elaborate on this?
Quote from: shruggedatlas on November 06, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
The story is simply not credible. No arrangement of permanent magnets will result in perpetual motion. It's just not how this universe works. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a "resonable sum" for such a discovery, were it true. It's worth would be insanely huge.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So.. tell us how exactly the universe works.. hahahhahah....
Quote from: shruggedatlas on November 06, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
One more thing, why aren't these oil companies using these devices to sell energy cheaply, instead of spending untold sums bringing up oil?
Because...They're
OIL companies..