Since I always see that free energy devices run on
Cold Energy, also known as Radiant Energy or Negative Electricity. It's very important to know more about this kind of electricity.
IF WE WANT TO GET FREE ENERGY DEVICES, WE MUST TO KNOW ALL ABOUT RADIANT ELECTRICITY CODE. ANYONE MUST KNOW ABOUT THIS IF WE WANT TO ACHIEVE SUCESSFULL RESULTS!!There are some examples:
Ev Gray -> Cold Energy
T. Henry Moray -> Cold Electricity
Paul Baumann (Testatika) -> Cold Electricity
Stop using hot-common electricity because hot energy is a waste of time.
SO.... LETS GO TO CRACK THE COLD ELECTRICITY CODE!
Let's go:
Look this videos
Lighting a bulb with Cold and Hot ElectricityQuote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MchjJy1GOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLYgG0lLVNg&feature=channel_page
Any ideas about how to replicate the experiment?
My impression at the first glance is that wall socket ground is not a true ground and can not be the real source of negative potential as would a rod buried into the earth be.
Cursory search for a laser drive returns the following patent: http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat6717968.pdf perhaps that might shine some light on the unit that fellow used, though even if it's based on the similar principles, we still do not know about any modifications made...
Download the Free Energy Guide I mentioned here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6394.msg146005;topicseen#msg146005
Chapter 5 explains a lot about cold electricity or radiant energy including devices to produce it.
Quote from: AbbaRue on December 25, 2008, 09:50:07 PM
Download the Free Energy Guide I mentioned here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6394.msg146005;topicseen#msg146005
Chapter 5 explains a lot about cold electricity or radiant energy including devices to produce it.
Thanks AbbaRue,
I have downloaded the book but it's too big to read in 1 or 2 days. I will look in the chapter you say, and I'm reading also 2 books related with cold electricity too.
Quote from: Magnethos on December 25, 2008, 12:13:03 PM
Since I always see that free energy devices run on Cold Energy, also known as Radiant Energy or Negative Electricity. It's very important to know more about this kind of electricity.
IF WE WANT TO GET FREE ENERGY DEVICES, WE MUST TO KNOW ALL ABOUT RADIANT ELECTRICITY CODE. ANYONE MUST KNOW ABOUT THIS IF WE WANT TO ACHIEVE SUCESSFULL RESULTS!!
There are some examples:
Ev Gray -> Cold Energy
T. Henry Moray -> Cold Electricity
Paul Baumann (Testatika) -> Cold Electricity
Stop using hot-common electricity because hot energy is a waste of time.
SO.... LETS GO TO CRACK THE COLD ELECTRICITY CODE!
Let's go:
Look this videos
Lighting a bulb with Cold and Hot Electricity
Any ideas about how to replicate the experiment?
The modified laser drive is probably a HV impulse generator.
Probarly is related with HV because I heard that EV Gray discovered Cold Electricity, discharging High Voltage. Paul Baumann also explained something about 'Electron Avalanche'.
I know there are 2 ways to produce cold electricity:
1. Energy Fractionation from common electricity
2. Splitting the positive
Electricity can de decomposed in more elements and a very important thing is the point #2 Split the positive.
Also, we have to know in negative electricity a Coil produces Capacitance, and a capacitor produces Inductance.Also, a positive resistor is a negative resistor. Negative resistance means energy absorbing from the vacuum, instead of energy dissipation to the vacuum.
Kron also said:
“When only positive and negative (POSITIVE ENERGY AND NEGATIVE/COLD ENERGY) real numbers exist, it is customary to replace a positive resistance by an inductance and a negative resistance by a capacitor (since none or only a few negative resistances exist on practical network analyzers).”
This means that a positive resistance turns into a negative resistance (inductance from the vacuum to the circuit, also known as Negentropy or Reverse Entropy. Entropy means energy scattering).
"... and a negative resistance by a capacitor..." In positive energy capacitors--> capacitance, but in Cold energy Capacitors-->impendance.
Once we understand this theory, the problem won't be how to amplify the energy. The problem will be how to limit it!
Quote from: amigo on December 25, 2008, 07:19:25 PM
My impression at the first glance is that wall socket ground is not a true ground and can not be the real source of negative potential as would a rod buried into the earth be.
Cursory search for a laser drive returns the following patent: http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat6717968.pdf perhaps that might shine some light on the unit that fellow used, though even if it's based on the similar principles, we still do not know about any modifications made...
Maybe we don't need a laser drive to produce a Negative energy, I mentioned about laser drive because the guy of the video used it. But I'm sure there are more ways to obtain cold energy.
I'm readig the patent, but I will read it better.
@Magnethos
"Stop using hot-common electricity because hot energy is a waste of time.
SO.... LETS GO TO CRACK THE COLD ELECTRICITY CODE!"
- For what i can understand, we need both of them to acheive what we are looking for.
See my theory here - hope it helps: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6192.msg145835#msg145835
"This means that a positive resistance turns into a negative resistance (inductance from the vacuum to the circuit, also known as Negentropy or Reverse Entropy. Entropy means energy scattering).
"... and a negative resistance by a capacitor..." In positive energy capacitors--> capacitance, but in Cold energy Capacitors-->impendance.
Once we understand this theory, the problem won't be how to amplify the energy. The problem will be how to limit it!"
- We should be somehow able to keep both of them in balance (negative and normal electricity) ... if you look at nature, the only thing it does, is that it keeps things (energy flow) in balance - we humans were mostly unable to do that until now :-\
@madddann
Very usefull information, I was jut reading about Gabriel Kron's negative resistors and he says something similar. He used a mix of hot and cold electricity. I believed since now that he only used cold, but not... he used both hot and cold electricity.
As you say, nature works in a balance principle. Neutrinos comes from the word of Neutral. Yes, the neutralization of electrinos and positrinos.
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madddann said:
Now i would say that this is what the school does not teach us (this is also why i hate school - they tell you only one part of the story lol)
I don't hate schools, I hate the time I spent in school and I also hate the time people spent in schools.
As you say, schools only tell us one part of the story, and that part is wrong or incomplete. LOL.
I have also studied advanced nutrition (reading more than 50 books) and I know 90% of the nutrition that is teached in schools is wrong, hahaha. I "learned" medicine in school, and I really learnt medicine by my own way, and... you know the answer too hahaha.
If you read the books of Robert Kiyosaki (one of the richest men in the world) he also says that he doesn't believe in schools. Schools teach people how to work for money, but rich people has money working for them. This is impossible to learn it in schools, so people are always working for money.
Yesterday, I eat with the companions of the company where I work and then, we go to a ca.si.no. Of course,,, I saw a guy that won in less than 2 hours more than 2000 USD... while other people was losing (like me, lol) money. That guy was a neighbour of the home where I lived. And you know what? He doesn't know to write, he doesn't nothing teached in school but he won more money in 2 hours that people earn in 3 months!
sorry for my english, schools have teached me english in the wrong way too! Lol
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This energy is based mostly on voltage - high voltage low current
And now we can also know the properties - behavior of materials when used in combination with "negative energy" - "negative electricity" (i'll just use the term "negative" to define it from now on). So the properties - behavior of materials are just opposite than when used with normal electricity, but some materials might be almost equal for both - minimal inverse charachteristics. So if a plastic is a dielectric with normal electricity (high current), it is a conductor for "negative electricity" (high voltage). If iron has a resistance for normal electricity and it heats up, it has a negative resistance for "negative electricity" and it cools down.
Awesome comment man, congratulations. This is one of the biggest truths that I have read in free energy forums.
Also, a capacitor has inductance and no capacitance, a positive resitance turns into a negative resistance. Explosion turns into implosion, heat dissipation turns into heat absorbtion.Entropy turns into Negentropy, chaos turns into an ordered state.
And of course, the big lie will turn into the truth.
NEGATIVE VS POSITIVE ELECTRICITY COMPARISION
POSITIVE/HOT/COMMON NEGATIVE/COLD/RADIANTEntropy Negentropy (Reverse Entropy)
Positive Negative
Capacitor-> Capacitance Capacitor-> Inductance
Coil-> Coil-> capacitance
Heat Dissipation Heat Absorbtion (Cold Generation)
Explosion Implosion
Exothermic Endothermic
High Current, Low Volt High Voltage, Low Current (Thx madddann!)
Electromagnetic Electroradiant
Dielectric-> Non conductor?? Dielectric-> Conductor??
Resonance Negative Resonance???
We need to develop new physics theories if we want to work with Negative electricity and we need to re-formulate the known physics laws.
When we draw a high voltage throught a wire, nothing happens. But... when we draw high current, the wire heats up a lot. I think the effect is due to the current and not to the voltage. So, current can be hot/positive or cold/negative. I mean, this is more related with current than with voltage.
I have posted that there is a system to convert Positive/Hot to Negative/Cold electricity: Fractionation of Positive electricity turn Positive electricity to Negative Electricity. And I know there is a technique called Positive Splitting. that Ev Gray talked about. Ev Gray learnt how to produce Negative/Cold electricity when he was in the Army, studying radars.
Maybe is something related with the picture you see in this post?
2 Wires in the positive and only 1 wire in the negative to create a Negative Electricity?
Negative Electricity is also called Negative Potential????
By the Glory of God I have found some schematic about Splitting the Positive
Source
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/battery.htm
It seems there is an effect when connecting 2 batteries in serie and 1 in parallel... maybe Cold/Negative electricity is based in that effect of Current Fractionation...
I think that Ev Gray also used 3 batteries... right???
He also said about 3 ways to produce electricity...
Anyone can try the experiment described that I have just described and tell us the results?
It's very simple, you need 3 batteries and 1 light bulb.
Awesome topic!!
I have been meditating on the possibility of using an insulator as a conductor.
So static charge is moving through the circuit instead of current.
I think the idea is to use long skinny capacitors instead of wires.
Like some type of coax. cable. But coax can be very expensive.
Maybe just two thin metal strips separated by an insulator.
Or do we even need the conductor? ?
If you charge one end of a long insulator does the other end become charged too??
I think it does, considering that if you rub your feet across a carpet at one end of a room
and then touch the door nob at the other end of the room. ZZAAPP!!
How did the charge get from one end of the room to the other?
You carry the positive but how does the door nob become negative (vice versa)??
Also your socks are rubbing on the carpet but your hand gets zapped.
Splitting the positive! Awesome concept!
Does the sum of the two batteries in series have to be twice the voltage you need to run the circuit?
A question we should seek to answer.
The experimenter in that link used primary batteries but I think they should have been rechargeable.
Primary cells won't recharge under normal conditions.
Analysis of that circuit tells me that the single battery is being charged by the two in series.
The single battery is connected in parallel with the other two and is being recharged through the external circuit.
This is similar to the young effect where you are running the motor while passing power from on capacitor to the other.
This is a new theory (for us) that we have to develop and perform a lot of tests... since it's very difficult or impossible to find a book about Physic Laws of Negative Electricity. So... we have to do tests again and again and share results.
Maybe someone can add more info on your post.
I'm trying to replicate this experiment right now... but someone can replicate it too and share results. The problem is that I have draw too much current in the little light bulb that I got and the light bulb has burn ahaha. I'm searching another light bulb in my home.
@Magnethos
"This is a new theory (for us) that we have to develop and perform a lot of tests... since it's very difficult or impossible to find a book about Physic Laws of Negative Electricity."
- This is probably the way to make people realize new things...
Ways to produce Cold/Negative Electricity:
Fractionation of Energy
1. Inductive Fractionation
2. Capacitive Fractionation
EV Gray used the technique called "Splitting the Positive", but I think that was 2. Capacitive Fractionation.
The key to the EFFICIENT extraction of this energy is IMPEDENCE MATCHING!
Source: some websites
Bibliography and Videos about Negative Energy:
The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity - Peter A. Lindemann (Book)
The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity - Peter A. Lindemann (Video)
Secrets of Cold War Technology - Gerry Vassilatos (Book)
I'm sure that there must be awesome stuff in the German, Russian and Chinese Books. But I only understand a few of German and Russian languages. But I know here there are some people that fully understand German language.
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@Magnethos
"This is a new theory (for us) that we have to develop and perform a lot of tests... since it's very difficult or impossible to find a book about Physic Laws of Negative Electricity."
- This is probably the way to make people realize new things...
Yes, this is a new public science that we must to decode if we want to achieve new results, new experiments and new techniques. The new ¡possible' applications are unlimited: new propulsion ways, cold fussion, and supercomputers are one of the possible applications. In theory, if we overclock a cpu there is a big problem, the processor get more and more hot when we overclock it. People need to add liquid nitrogen to cold down and prevent the destruction of the processor. But if we use Cold Energy, when we overclock the cpu, the processor will get more and more COLD. I don't understand about overclocking, but maybe we could overclock a cpu and turn a simple 3 Ghz processor to a 10 or 15 Ghz (maybe more?) processor. With cold fussion, we will be able to create special alloys and maybe some new materials. These are some simple examples...
I will be gone for a time, but anyone can extend and develop theories. They will be very usefull.
I did it with advanced nutrition and I'm convinced that I could decode this too.
When I resolve the problem I have now, I will come back here and If anyone haven't cracked the system, I will do.
T. Henry Moray, Paul Baumann, Sweet "Sparky" Floyd, Gabriel Kron Edwin Vincent Gray, Nikola Tesla, Peter A. Lindemann...
There is a new DVD about Henry Moray's work,it seems very interesting.
http://thehouseofmoray.org/
Read all kind of 'paranormal' stuff, ask in forums, search in google, email all people you are able to, send letters, see all dvds... buy books (if they are expensive 4 or 5 guys can send money via paypal and then the guy that has the original book send a copy to each one or send the book to each one...).
The possibilities are unlimited.
If when I get back I see you have done any progress, as small as it may be, I'll be very proud of you, guys.
The arc of the covenant replicators fired-up some highvoltage dc between the wings of the statues on top of the box. There was alot of electrostatic phenomenon after that. And a cold misty vapor started surrounding the field of the spark. Sucking the heat right out of the ambient field and converting it to self-confining plasma vortices between the wings?
Perhaps the escaping people froze the red sea and skated across. Guess you could call it parting it. ???
@All
It would appear that the common camera circuit discussed in the "Joule Thief" thread is a source of Cold Electricity.
If so then we have a cheap easy to get test circuit.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg146685#msg146685
@Abbarue-
Here is the link to Groundloop's battery charger. I believe it operates on the same principle you cite with the flash circuit (hi voltage spike with a sharp decline, drawing in radiant energy):
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4057.msg75477#msg75477
I'd be more inclined to call this radiant electricity, rather than cold electricity, but perhaps the 2 are interchangeable. I would tend to think there are similarities, but that they exhibit 2 different properties of electricity, apart from standard "hot" electricity. Perhaps someone can comment further.
B
Just watched Godzilla a couple of days ago, and couldn't help think of cold electricity when Godzilla started breathing plasma at the bad guys. ;D
UFOpolitics did some work with a PWM and CFL. He claimed that he was able to harness cold electricity by keeping the pulses as short as possible, and on-time as long as possible so that the radiant could come into the system in the off-time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzhKpEqUgc
MRWarrensk has done some nice work as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNXE0x5B-us
I'm hoping we can get this topic up and running again.
I often wonder if Dave 45's schematics focusing on separating charges in the Energy Amplification thread would help split the positive to harness cold electricity. Here's an example:
http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg402512/#msg402512 Dave has more diags on the following page.
Bob
Are you quite sure your "evidence" is evidence for what you think it is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnwDh4CsD-c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnwDh4CsD-c)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk)
"Cold" electricity, "radiant" energy, is just ordinary RF high-frequency electricity.
Thanks for the vids TK. I don't have the expertise to give a definitive answer, but I do have some questions:
- I assume you're producing some kind of oscillation. Is it a series of voltage spikes or perhaps square waves? If it's the latter, what percentage of your duty cycle is "on" time and what percentage "off"?
- Once oscillations are above roughly 20,000 cps, electricity will not shock (at least in my experience). What kind of frequency are you dealing with in these videos?
- Is there any amperage in your circuits or are they pure HF HV?
- Is your bulb glowing hot (exothermic) or cold (endothermic)?
PS I'm not surprised you have such supposedly low page views, given what you've posted. It's impressive stuff. I doubt tptb would want the real numbers there.
Thanks for sharing the work.
Bob
Edit: An afterthought: Is "cold electricity" just a wild goose chase scam? Nothing more than HV/HF? Is the notion of tickling or "pinging" the spatial energy lattice, as Doc Stiffler calls it, just a wild goose chase?
Quote from: Bob Smith on May 19, 2014, 09:46:27 PM
Thanks for the vids TK. I don't have the expertise to give a definitive answer, but I do have some questions:
- I assume you're producing some kind of oscillation. Is it a series of voltage spikes or perhaps square waves? If it's the latter, what percentage of your duty cycle is "on" time and what percentage "off"?
- Once oscillations are above roughly 20,000 cps, electricity will not shock (at least in my experience). What kind of frequency are you dealing with in these videos?
- Is there any amperage in your circuits or are they pure HF HV?
- Is your bulb glowing hot (exothermic) or cold (endothermic)?
PS I'm not surprised you have such supposedly low page views, given what you've posted. It's impressive stuff. I doubt tptb would want the real numbers there.
Thanks for sharing the work.
Bob
Edit: An afterthought: Is "cold electricity" just a wild goose chase scam? Nothing more than HV/HF? Is the notion of tickling or "pinging" the spatial-temporal lattice, as Doc Stiffler calls it, just a wild goose chase?
RF burns can be very nasty.
Quote from: Bob Smith on May 19, 2014, 09:46:27 PM
Thanks for the vids TK. I don't have the expertise to give a definitive answer, but I do have some questions:
- I assume you're producing some kind of oscillation. Is it a series of voltage spikes or perhaps square waves? If it's the latter, what percentage of your duty cycle is "on" time and what percentage "off"?
The transmitter produces a very pure sine wave in the output loop. The receiver receives this sine wave and delivers it to the light bulb (for the simplest AC receivers). That's why the bulb gets brighter: not only is the receiver actually producing higher voltage than the battery is supplying to the transmitter, but also it is happening at the HF produced by the transmitter, not just straight DC. More complicated receivers include a rectifier and filter stage for good stable DC output.
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- Once oscillations are above roughly 20,000 cps, electricity will not shock (at least in my experience). What kind of frequency are you dealing with in these videos?
There are a couple of factors operating. One is the response of the human nervous system, another is the so-called "skin effect" where RF frequencies may not penetrate deeply into conductors. I have taken the discharge from a 2kW-class Tesla coil into a wrench held in one hand (to avoid the RF burn), the power running through or rather over my body, to an incandescent light bulb in the other hand, which, when pressed into the flesh of a volunteer, glows at full brightness... and neither of us feels a shock... but if the contacts aren't good and solid (wrench, bulb base) to the flesh, nasty RF burns can result at the point where the power is coupled to the body.
My power transmitter/receiver systems operate at between 350 and 800 kHz.
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- Is there any amperage in your circuits or are they pure HF HV?
There is plenty of amperage in my circuits _and_ they are pure HF HV. There are 40 or 60 amperes of current circulating in the transmitting loop, which is why it has to be of such heavy wire construction, or even made of copper tubing or pipe. Should something go wrong in the transmitter, like a loose connection to the loop.... the mosfets will literally explode as all that reactive power is released all at once.
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- Is your bulb glowing hot (exothermic) or cold (endothermic)?
It is still hot but I believe it is cooler than it would be at the same brilliance with DC power. I don't have any real data on this, though, just subjective impression.
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PS I'm not surprised you have such supposedly low page views, given what you've posted. It's impressive stuff. I doubt tptb would want the real numbers there.
Thanks for sharing the work.
Bob
I don't allow advertising on my videos so I don't get the links and search-engine placements that others might get. Also, this forum here is just about the only place I ever post links to most of my videos.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
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Edit: An afterthought: Is "cold electricity" just a wild goose chase scam? Nothing more than HV/HF?
In my opinion, yes. There is one "electricity". You can do all kinds of different things with it and you can certainly transmit or transfer lots of power without heating stuff up, if you know what you are doing.
QuoteIs the notion of tickling or "pinging" the spatial energy lattice, as Doc Stiffler calls it, just a wild goose chase?
Well.... yes and no. Stiffler is a master of the Red Herring and is really good at taking well-known and understood phenomena and demonstrating them out-of-context and giving them new and idiosyncratic names. He's got a loyal group of students, who are talking about ordinary things as if they were extraordinary, because they use their own peculiar language and so they can't see the common themes that run through everything.
On the other hand... the very best sound theoretical schemes for extracting real energy from the "wheelwork of nature" or the "zero point" have to do with polarizing the vacuum or changing the refractive index of space, and this requires extremely rapid and strong changes in the electric field in a small volume. Tickling the spatial energy lattice? I suppose you could describe it that way. Surfing the quantum foam, whatever. It's all metaphor anyway. Just don't get distracted by the Red Herrings.
eta: here's another one you might like: LEDs and a 90-volt neon in series, lit with just one wire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBUfaYi02WI
Hi TK
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my queries. As you say, there is "one electricity."
Your use of HF HV AC reminds me of Eric Dollard's story about Tesla demonstrating the "dangers of AC" before the British Royal Society in 1893 or thereabouts, subsequent to Edison's demonization of AC in favour of DC. According to Dollard, Tesla allowed the AC (I assume it was HF) to light him up with a kind of ethereal aura before those assembled, and said something like, "you see gentlemen, the dangers of alternating current." Thanks for sharing your work and opening my eyes to this possibility here and now. Perhaps the properties of AC aren't acknowledged enough, in favour of leading people down long esoteric rabbit holes.
If anything, your work (at least the 3 videos I watched from your post) shows that we still have a lot to learn about electricity, and perhaps there's really no need to describe it in other-worldly terms. The "cold" form is just one of its many properties.
You did mention, that...
QuoteOn the other hand... the very best sound theoretical schemes for extracting real energy from the "wheelwork of nature" or the "zero point" have to do with polarizing the vacuum or changing the refractive index of space, and this requires extremely rapid and strong changes in the electric field in a small volume.
I guess this is what I'm seeking to find more info on. I've wanted for a long time to explore this side of electricity for quite some time, and would hope others would also join in here.
Thanks very much for your post. I enjoyed your videos and will check in your channel from time to time.
Bob
Interesting Cold Electricity how-to thread here:
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1670.0 (http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1670.0)
Will review later (at work now).
Bob
Tesla's works is all about cold electricity.Other inventor place new name for patents,make more confuse.cold electricity create at switching time,sparking time,...,etc.cold electricity work with capacitor but if you need to make energy to use in normal electricity,you will need more complicated circuit.
Quote from: geenee on May 21, 2014, 04:45:47 PM
Tesla's works is all about cold electricity.Other inventor place new name for patents,make more confuse.cold electricity create at switching time,sparking time,...,etc.cold electricity work with capacitor but if you need to make energy to use in normal electricity,you will need more complicated circuit.
Hmm yes. A good explanation from this point on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT6MTNNIBMk&feature=player_detailpage#t=325
Quote from: geenee on May 21, 2014, 04:45:47 PM
Tesla's works is all about cold electricity.Other inventor place new name for patents,make more confuse.cold electricity create at switching time,sparking time,...,etc.cold electricity work with capacitor but if you need to make energy to use in normal electricity,you will need more complicated circuit.
Please give a reference to where Tesla ever said anything about "cold electricity". And feel free to give links to some of your own work concerning "cold electricity", just so we can be sure we are talking about the same thing.
Is this "cold electricity"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U)
Or maybe this:
ref from Secret of cold war technology book.IMHO.i am not sure about your works which is the right thing.Breakzeitgeist's you tube user have example about cold electricity,Tesla's hairpin circuit.
please define "cold electricity"
Quote from: forest on May 22, 2014, 01:18:49 AM
please define "cold electricity"
pos energy or neg energy separated
If we have high voltage and low amperage very little work can be done, the same is true for high amperage and low voltage.
High voltage without amperage is cold - doesnt shock - high pos low neg
High amperage without voltage is cold - doesnt shock - high neg low pos
But a combination of both will kill
They say you cant have one without the other ie amperage without voltage or vise versa but cold electricity is proof you can.
If you pulse a coil with neg energy you get a pos return (pos bemf)
If you pulse a coil with pos energy you get a neg return (neg bemf)
You can call them holes and electrons - pos neg - amperage voltage whatever we still have two forms of energy and we have to collect both.
A joule thief is a classic example an npn transistor pulses a coil with neg energy and you get a pos return.
Set it up with a pnp and npn pulsed alternately and see what you get. ;)
Quote from: Dave45 on May 22, 2014, 09:15:22 AM
pos energy or neg energy separated
If we have high voltage and low amperage very little work can be done, the same is true for high amperage and low voltage.
High voltage without amperage is cold - doesnt shock - high pos low neg
High amperage without voltage is cold - doesnt shock - high neg low pos
But a combination of both will kill
They say you cant have one without the other ie amperage without voltage or vise versa but cold electricity is proof you can.
If you pulse a coil with neg energy you get a pos return (pos bemf)
If you pulse a coil with pos energy you get a neg return (neg bemf)
"They say"? Where? Can you provide a link to a credible outside reference for your claims? Can you show a device of your own that illustrates what you are claiming and that cannot be explained conventionally? Of course you cannot.
Your statements in this post are almost 100 percent wrong, and I have many video demonstrations and devices that prove that you are wrong.
It is apparent from your statements that you don't understand what voltage and current actually are, what the terms represent and how they manifest physically. And there is no point in me telling you, because others have already tried to educate you and have obviously failed.
Quote from: geenee on May 21, 2014, 11:57:04 PM
ref from Secret of cold war technology book.IMHO.i am not sure about your works which is the right thing.Breakzeitgeist's you tube user have example about cold electricity,Tesla's hairpin circuit.
I wasn't aware that Tesla wrote a "secret of cold war technology" book. Where is the link to some words that TESLA wrote talking about "cold electricity"? You said that Tesla's work was "all about cold electricity". So where is just one single link to his words where he mentioned "cold electricity" or talked about it as being somehow distinct from "electricity"?
I think you can't actually support your claim with a real reference. Please feel free to PROVE ME WRONG.
I have plenty of examples of what people wrongly call "cold electricity" on my own YT channel. Please try to remember that I have demonstrated effective wireless power transmission using several techniques both "cold" and "hot", that I have shown "High voltage low current" devices doing lots of mechanical work, that I have shown LEDs and Neons and Incandescent bulbs all lighting up simultaneously from the same power source of "cold electricity", and so on. Remember that I actually build and demonstrate the things I talk about and I can support each and every claim that I make with actual facts, outside references that anyone can check, and demonstrations that are fully documented and that can be repeated by anyone with the skill, to confirm my results.
Please feel free to give us links to a similar body of your own work.
For your amusement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73XRA1qaPYM
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 22, 2014, 11:17:42 AM
"They say"? Where? Can you provide a link to a credible outside reference for your claims? Can you show a device of your own that illustrates what you are claiming and that cannot be explained conventionally? Of course you cannot.
Your statements in this post are almost 100 percent wrong, and I have many video demonstrations and devices that prove that you are wrong.
It is apparent from your statements that you don't understand what voltage and current actually are, what the terms represent and how they manifest physically. And there is no point in me telling you, because others have already tried to educate you and have obviously failed.
bla bla bla
Educate me,,,,,,,,,,,,like you
No thanks
You see I study and think for myself and offer idea's
You offer none because your limited by your ego and dogma
Why are you even here, you dont believe in free energy so why are you here
Can you not see the diode arrangement in the schematic I posted
Do you really think I would post a vid of a working device
You dont know me
You dont know
Never mind Im wasting my time with you
later dave
Quote from: Dave45 on May 22, 2014, 11:32:17 AM
bla bla bla
Educate me,,,,,,,,,,,,like you
No thanks
You see I study and think for myself and offer idea's
You offer none because your limited by your ego and dogma\
You are really falling behind. Why don't you spend a little time on my YT channel and see if I "offer" anything.
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Why are you even here, you dont believe in free energy so why are you here
I don't need to "believe" in anything, because I experiment, study, compare, think... .and I have a good education. Why am I here? Partially because it amuses me to prove that people like you are FOS.
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Can you not see the diode arrangement in the schematic I posted
I see a perfectly ordinary half-bridge motor controller circuit straight out of the TL494 application notes, yes. So?
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Do you really think I would post a vid of a working device
Of course NOT ! You can't !!! You aren't a builder or experimenter, you just talk about stuff you can't possibly understand because of your preconceived ideas that are unsupported by empirical evidence.
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You dont know me
You dont know
Never mind Im wasting my time with you
later dave
You are wasting your time all right. Why don't you try to build something that demonstrates your claims? I may not know YOU but I know plenty of people LIKE you, who make claims they cannot support with evidence.
Here's some of what I do with a TL494, driving a full bridge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BMRJoqdy6E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BMRJoqdy6E)
The filament in that light bulb is actually broken... it's an open circuit filament but it still lights brilliantly. Cold electricity? I laugh at you.
Keep lighting your little led's
Oh thats right you cant even do that for very long without running your bats down.
Quote from: Dave45 on May 22, 2014, 11:46:36 AM
Keep lighting your little led's
Oh thats right you cant even do that for very long without running your bats down.
If you want to comment on my work, at least try to get your facts straight. When you resort to lying about my work... I know you have no real argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQi4jz2puio
Skip ahead to 11:00 where you can see my "little LED" lighting up while the capacitor is GAINING VOLTAGE even though there is NO POWER SUPPLY in use. And that's not even the most remarkable thing in that video.
Can you demonstrate anything like that? Of course you cannot.
cold electricity is too much wide statement :
- RF is cold
- HF is cold
- magnetic current is cold
Electricity by it's very definition is the movement of electrons via a force through a conductor. This is kinetic energy. Electrostatics is the opposite. It sequesters charge. A capacitor "charged" is electrostatic. The field between the plates/electrodes is void of moving charges. The field is cold.
The only "cold electricity" I ever experienced was in an ion wind. An electrode had 30kvdc positive on it. Near the electrode there was coronal discharge which was emitting ionizing radiation. As the ions were created they moved away from the anode while the electrons were driven through the power scource and emitted to ground, which served as the cathode. The voltage dropped as each electron hit the anode which required the force source to do work pumping them to ground. As ground appears to have a pretty large conductance there was no local coronal discharge. Somewhere somebody was getting some noise up their ground rods in the khz band. Pulsed dc not ac. The ionized gas is lighter than air and floats up. The air that is more dense creates a draft as it flows towards the generation of the ions. This draft feels cold.
There is no such thing as cold electricity.
Pos ions will go to ground, neg ions are repelled and attracted toward the ionosphere - pos
Electrons are neg, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize if you fill a coil with a neg charge (electrons) the coil takes on an overall neg charge, the ions that form around that coil will be pos, when the magnetic field collapses it brings the pos charge into the coil.
This simple deduction is proved out everyday in the simple joule thief, an npn transistor pulses the coil with neg electrons and you get a high voltage pos spike back.
Its about charge separation,
Pos and Neg
Like charges repel opposite charges attract
Study air purifiers to learn what to do and study static eliminators to learn what not to do.
If you keep listening to these trolls who think, well if I cant do it then it just cant be done, you will never find free energy.
It hasnt changed they like there high places and give their pompous attitude while at the same time their the blind leading the blind.
Dave:
QuoteElectrons are neg, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize if you fill a coil with a neg charge (electrons) the coil takes on an overall neg charge, the ions that form around that coil will be pos, when the magnetic field collapses it brings the pos charge into the coil.
With quioxtic statements like the one above, no one should listen to a single thing that you have to say about electronics. With absolute certainty if you tried to demonstrate your "stuff" on the bench you would choke and run away, just like you ran away from trying to do a timing diagram.
There is no hope for you.
MileHigh
Sometimes things have to get messy for clarity to emerge. I don't know if Tesla wrote about cold electricity, and it's immaterial to me. I would simply like to find a way to tap into the "sea of energy" in which we find ourselves - call it the Dirac sea, vacuum, whatever. I would specifically like to see if we could find a few ways to tap into this "sea of energy," in ways that produce endothermic characteristics.
Forest mentioned magnetricity, one of the main proponents of which is John Milewski, as a form of cold electricity. Dave mentioned charge separation, and TK, you have looked at a number of ways of producing what some might call "cold electricity." If we can discuss these differences, perhaps we can make some inroads into bringing lesser understood properties of electricity into the realm of common understanding, at least amongst ourselves. This is a good thing.
Bob
Quote from: MileHigh on May 22, 2014, 07:58:50 PM
Dave:
With quioxtic statements like the one above, no one should listen to a single thing that you have to say about electronics. With absolute certainty if you tried to demonstrate your "stuff" on the bench you would choke and run away, just like you ran away from trying to do a timing diagram.
There is no hope for you.
MileHigh
And the trolls gather
MH I dont even read your posts, dont address me.
Iv had it with you pompous idiots.
We live in a sea of energy, we've all heard it but until you understand it you dont really realize it.
But that sea is neutral, if it wasnt we would not be able to live on this planet it would be so electrified.
Just like you use electrolysis to separate water
You use ionization to separate the aether and that same principle to collect it.
nuff said
Your scope and your multimeter don't lie if you know what you are doing. The 'study' of fantasy electronics has severe limitations, doodle on.
TK,sorry about wrong reference.cold electricity is not Tesla's word but from a part of Tesla's technology(Aether).Tesla observed from DC generator have shock wave(disruptive discharge) when switch on or off(sparking from brushed dc generator).short pulse high electrostatic charge force is the new thing for studying.old electricity is electron theory.new electricity(Tesla) is Aether theory.
Why is it cold?because electron don't move but not mean cannot make electron to move.
if need to be cold then electron must stop or have a little moving.
i am not clever or good experiment guy but i am just observer.and try to make a good world.
at this thread,need a definition,right?
Bob Smith
In fact every examples I posted are the same effect manifestation on different mediums. That's what I believe.
The key answer is electrostatic charge, but is that static ? The answer you find in the book with Tesla interview... ::) Now you got the keyword for searching
Quote from: forest on May 23, 2014, 03:34:25 AM
Bob Smith
In fact every examples I posted are the same effect manifestation on different mediums.
Thanks Forest. I figured they were all part of the same electricity continuum, but what constitutes "cold" and how to access it was what I was seeking to better understand. No one I've talked to in the electrical field knows anything about these things, and it seems that the only place is through these online forums and a few websites.
QuoteThe key answer is electrostatic charge, but is that static ? The answer you find in the book with Tesla interview... ::) Now you got the keyword for searching
Thanks for the tip. I ordered the book (used) online last week after reading your recommendation. I'm not a big e-book reader, so once the hard copy comes, I'll be into it.
Have a good weekend.
Bob