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After spending way too much time on this forum I have some solid constructive and destructive criticism.

Constructive:
If you want to build any device to harness energy you need to know what energy you are harnessing and build the device specifically for that. Too many people on this forum try to find new ways of building things that don't work. You can wrap several coils around a magnet and use some of the coils to generate power and some of them to input power, but in reality unless you have some sort of resonant device that taps existing power then all you have is a transformer.

If you want to measure power output from a device that pulses you must smooth the output to DC. A 500 volt 1 Amp reading looks great, but if its at a 5% duty cycle (ie 5ms on, 95ms off) and you claim a 500 watt output, you are overestimating your output by 1900%. If you intent is to mislead then that's perfect, if your intent is to get power generation then you are just misleading yourself.

If you want to prove real world output, don't connect an unloaded motor rated at 120 volts 5 amps and show that as proof of 600watts output. Unloaded devices draw much less current than loaded ones.

If you try something and it doesn't work, share it. I admit I am guilty of this one. I don't share very often because my setups are ugly and to this point may not work because of poor construction on my part.

USE SPELL CHECK. PROOF YOUR POSTS. DO NOT RUN AROUND USING ALL CAPS. These things are just common courtesy. If English is not your first language that's fine, I don't mind at all, just make your thoughts flow well.

Destructive:

If your intent is to cookbook an idea, then don't even bother posting. Nobody here has a working TPU. Some show promise, but unless you have a handle on how it works the likelihood of stumbling on it by accident is low. One of the most obvious indicators of the elusiveness of this technology is no correlating effects in off the shelf hardware for other applications or just nature in general. If it were as simple as pulsing coils then we would have transformers blowing up all over the world due to the number of applications and frequencies of transformers.

If you are going to share something make diligent attempts to show it is real. Show the entire device on camera. Show that there are no hidden wires. Use a real load that actually uses the power you tell us it uses. And for the love of God don't just show us a multimeter of a charging capacitor or output voltage or output current and make us take on faith that the readings are accurate. Pulsed DC or high frequency AC does not read right on multi-meters. If you don't take these steps nobody should believe you. (If they still do that's their fault.)

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Sorry to be a pain here, but the number of worthless reads on this forum is staggering. This is not collaboration towards an end goal it is a meeting of the forum trolls, the con artists, and the attention deprived. The few people who seem to be moving forward are by far drowned out by the static of the rest. Please try to keep this site somewhat reputable, it is after all one of a kind.

-Ben

Well said, Ben.

Unfortunately, that isn't the way the world works.  All of this documentation and proof will be your undoing.  So, we have to try other ways...

Stop sounding like a troll now.

Quote from: Grumpy on January 08, 2009, 11:37:59 PM
Well said, Ben.

Unfortunately, that isn't the way the world works.  All of this documentation and proof will be your undoing.  So, we have to try other ways...

Stop sounding like a troll now.

Without documentation and proof we have nothing but an unsubstantiated claim. An unsubstantiated claim is garbage not worth looking at. To think otherwise is just wishful thinking.

If you disagree then I have a friend who is a Nigerian prince and needs $2500 to pay the transfer fee to get his vast fortune out of the country. He's willing to pay $20000 cash for your trouble.

Again, sorry for the reality check, but this forum desperately needs it.

-Ben

@Ben
This is sayd good formulated,
TPU and others must work
not only running and lost the
for this "nonsens-running" same or mor energy
that you have inputed.

als this "meter-ing" ams shown lights on Led
(specially on fluorescents tubes (lamps) make
"you sand in the eyes"- so you will nothing understand.
ONLY with loading an electric output to resestiv load
it an way ( for privat -unfrofessional reading- ) to
controle an output to controle the heating now -
or with an (filament) lamp, to see the brightness
and controlling ( compare ) this with an second lamp.
example with an lux-meter, or an foto-exposure meter
-wellknow to your grandfather- (ebay?). conect
the second lamp on DC Power supply, adjust the voltage
to same -compared- brightness, so you shown ( approx.)
and calculate the power ratings (volts time amps are watts
-for DC) . So that is the simplest way that can be done from
most people here - with low budget.

If interested , i can also let shown you the ways, to controlling
peak voltages from DC or AC voltages - and more, without needs
of oszillloscops or costly instruments.
Gustav Pese(

Quote from: ben8807 on January 09, 2009, 03:11:34 AM
Without documentation and proof we have nothing but an unsubstantiated claim. An unsubstantiated claim is garbage not worth looking at. To think otherwise is just wishful thinking.

If you disagree then I have a friend who is a Nigerian prince and needs $2500 to pay the transfer fee to get his vast fortune out of the country. He's willing to pay $20000 cash for your trouble.

Again, sorry for the reality check, but this forum desperately needs it.

-Ben

Sorry.   No "how to" guides allowed - against protocol - no proving videos either.

Quote@Ben
This is sayd good formulated,
TPU and others must work
not only running and lost the
for this "nonsens-running" same or mor energy
that you have inputed.

als this "meter-ing" ams shown lights on Led
(specially on fluorescents tubes (lamps) make
"you sand in the eyes"- so you will nothing understand.
ONLY with loading an electric output to resestiv load
it an way ( for privat -unfrofessional reading- ) to
controle an output to controle the heating now -
or with an (filament) lamp, to see the brightness
and controlling ( compare ) this with an second lamp.
example with an lux-meter, or an foto-exposure meter
-wellknow to your grandfather- (ebay?). conect
the second lamp on DC Power supply, adjust the voltage
to same -compared- brightness, so you shown ( approx.)
and calculate the power ratings (volts time amps are watts
-for DC) . So that is the simplest way that can be done from
most people here - with low budget.

If interested , i can also let shown you the ways, to controlling
peak voltages from DC or AC voltages - and more, without needs
of oszillloscops or costly instruments.
Gustav Pese(

HAHAHAHA WTF!!!!  I have no idea what this means hahaha!!!

@ ChalieV. Do not be so quick to dismiss Pese. Although English is not his first language, he is a very knowledgeable and educated man. Read his post again and apply a little effort and you will understand what he is saying, as I do. Let us all respect each other.

Very well Said Ben...

Many people claim OU because they measure incorrectly.

Compassion towards others is your best defense against your own ignorance.

If you would like others to believe in your abilities you must believe in others.

Otherwise you scream as a loner. You might have alot to offer the group.

--giantkiller. OU is an action not a measurement.

Quote from: giantkiller on January 09, 2009, 01:44:28 PM
Compassion towards others is your best defense against your own ignorance.

If you would like others to believe in your abilities you must believe in others.

Otherwise you scream as a loner. You might have alot to offer the group.

--giantkiller. OU is an action not a measurement.

That's just it. I don't want others to believe in my abilities just because I say something. If I come here with claims I want them to be challenged, I want them to be replicated, and most importantly if I am on the wrong track I want to be debunked. Otherwise I could end up spending years on a project that appears to work but in fact does nothing.

Over-unity is not an action. It's not a belief or statement. It is a measurement where the 'in' is less than the 'out'.

To believe in something you cannot prove and fight anyone who opposes your belief is not science, it is religion. Sadly this forum has a lot more religion than science, and I for one would like to see that change.

-ben

Then built it.

--giantkiller.

Ben,
I disagree with your post, there is no doubt in my mind that there are a lot of kooky ideas posted at this website.
But inventions and inventers evolve, maybe someone with a kooky idea today will get a good idea tomorrow.
The main thing is for inventors to keep trying to solve are energy problem.

Quote from: brian334 on January 09, 2009, 02:46:59 PM
Ben,
I disagree with your post, there is no doubt in my mind that there are a lot of kooky ideas posted at this website.
But inventions and inventers evolve, maybe someone with a kooky idea today will get a good idea tomorrow.
The main thing is for inventors to keep trying to solve are energy problem.

Having a kooky idea that you develop is fine. It is the start of all invention!

Having a kooky idea then claiming amazing results without proper testing is not fine. At best it is misleading yourself, at worst it is intentionally misleading others. That's my whole point.

Solving the energy problem is not going to happen with devices that appear to put out more energy than the take in, it is going to happen when we have a device that DOES put out more energy than it takes in. Research into devices that appear to work, but can be fundamentally disproven is pointless! As Edison said "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Lets focus on trying to find the one rather than finding the 10,000 over and over again.

-ben

@Ben

Maybe there are persons on the forum who have good results or have a working device. But I think when they have a working brain, they will never post it on a public forum. Its way too dangerous...

Think about that.....

A.

Quote from: Antimon on January 09, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
@Ben

Maybe there are persons on the forum who have good results or have a working device. But I think when they have a working brain, they will never post it on a public forum. Its way too dangerous...

Think about that.....

A.

Nobody will believe you anyways they will try and debunk you and tell you it doesn't work. ask anyone around this joint.

@ben,
Well lets go to the other side of the pump. The next time you find yourself filling your gas tank look at around at the others doing the same act of slavery. You're one of them too! Sucks, doesn't it? You and every other piss ant joe doing the same thing. Forever! Because you don't believe change is possible. I apologize if my creativity oversteps your boundaries. But you are screwed and I am not. The world you live in was created by the like of us, people who think on their own.

The real contributors here are from a different ant hill. I've been here 2 years, faithful. I have helped and have been helped, immensely. Who are you and where have you come from that you can make such blatant judgements? Time for you to commit or bail. Don't screw this up.

Let people grow!

Read some more intellect before making a judgement call on your fellow man.

--giantkiller. Now I'm pissed!

Quote from: ben8807 on January 09, 2009, 02:11:13 PM
To believe in something you cannot prove and fight anyone who opposes your belief is not science, it is religion. Sadly this forum has a lot more religion than science, and I for one would like to see that change.
-ben

I'll second that ! ........ KneeDeep

Quote : Stevie Wonder : "When you believe in things you don't understand - Superstition"

Cheers

P.S. Nothing wrong with trying with new ideas - it should always be encouraged !!. But "claims" are a different matter, which need scientific verification, if they are to be accepted as true.

Here is a test:

Who is this and where did this device come from?

--giantkiller.

@ben
Follow me.
I skip everything except technical or science post. Only waste me about 3 minutes here in a day.

@Ben

here is an better way , so you study, how to read AC(non sinusodial) / DC
from Prof Padrak

http://padrak.com/ine/DANGERSPOWER.html

i think, that is unknow to most members

Gustav Pese

Quote from: pese on January 11, 2009, 09:58:13 PM
@Ben

here is an better way , so you study, how to read AC(non sinusodial) / DC
from Prof Padrak

http://padrak.com/ine/DANGERSPOWER.html

i think, that is unknow to most members

Gustav Pese

Thanks for that link Pese.
I know it, you know it, but a lot of beginners here have no background in electronics and are easily mislead by their own meters and the claims and assertions of others.

The measurement information presented on that web page is basic to an electrician, (and any e/engineer), yet understanding it, seems to elude so many on this forum.

True power measurements are crucial if anyone is to know whether an O/U experiment is successful or unsuccessful, or whether a device is performing O/U as it's  inventor may claim.

It would be good if a link to that sort of information was automatically included with the header of any thread dealing with electrical devices.
That way, opinions can be more informed, experiments more accurately recorded, data more credible, and debate about the results more meaningful.

Cheers .... KneeDeep

 Thank you for the link Pese
  I noticed there was not mention of measuring DC devices. Is there a more complete text on Puttoff's one watt challange some where i can read up on? never been a big fan of ac to begin with except with regard to end user equipment like motors or long distance conveyance of power. Hard as hell to put ac in your pocket and take it with you.

  I really like the file THE MISSING DOPPLER EFFECT .I will most likely read all of the papers located there. Again thanks for the link.

Hi guys!
You are have a good argument on the free energy!
I believe in energy CONVERSION ONLY and different type of energy.
there is a possibility to add some extra power into converter device output to reach its over-unity gain.
where the will, there is a way!!!!!
thanks,
Nick

@nkovchak   YES  YOU ARE HAVE   THE SAME THINGING  LIKE MY   I SAY LONG TIME AGO  THAT   IS NOT POSIBLE TO GET MORE THEN ONE  ENRGY <<but if this one enrgy converse  to athere type   of kind enrgy  YES   we whill have  more energy  >>
THIS IS SIMPLE   
I SEEE  HERE TPUs  FROM MANY PEOPLE HERE  OR DEVICES  HOW IS ALLWAY THE SAME     VEACOUSE    THIS DEVICES  IS NOT CONVERSION DEVICES 
I SEE  SIMPLE  PULSE COILS  AND COLECTORS COILS  IN MANY DIFERENT WAYS   BUT  I DONT SEE  <<CONVERSION  ENERGY IN THAT DEVICES>
 
IF  THIS  ENERGY<ELKTROMAGNETS FILD  OR,, ELKTROFORCE    WHILL TRANSFOM TO ATHER TYPE OUT ENERGY   LIKE  ???  THEN WHILL BE  OU..

I SAY TO YOU   MAST LOOK BACK  IN OLD  TIMES  WHERE  OLDs EXPERIMENTATORS  <<TESLA   PUPIN, AND ATHERE  HAS   MADE THAT  >>FIND  LEARN  AND YOU WHILL SEE WHAT WHILL BE  THE ATHERE TYPE OF ENERGY  TO CONVERTING>

Macedonia,
thanks for the response!!!
....from my point of view  we should put more attention on the magnetic field :( space/time shift and aperture of absorption)....
Hitler said: ".. where is a will , there is a way..."
cheers!
Nick
PS-  reichspatentamt patent# 680761.. 7th of september ,1939

adding more..we need rechargeable batteries  and switching  techniques plus some ideas of control....

I think that the answer to the question we keep seeing around here, as to what would happen if a solid, working design for F-E suddenly appeared on the Open Source forums is... That it would be a great day for the planet!

Yes there are constant nay-sayers who hang around here: Some are secret believers (..or else why would they hang around, lol?), and some are Paid Shills. There is no question that there is a whole new "profession" on the Internet of "Shill". They are essentially paid "Trolls"...  They work for contractors who then sell their services to unnamed concerns. I personally have been recruited by one such contractor... Lol i hope i never need money THAT BADLY so i told him to go to hell. There is no question that in the world of political blogs, newspaper and other news outlets online sites, and other places on the 'net, that you can find paid shills. So why not here too? Luckily their debate skills usually suck big-time... all they know how to do is use personal attack (...YES that is a challenge, lol.. PLEASE take it and prepare for an ass-whoopin ;).

Let's look at some of the existing threads here: When Gotoluc first announced the plasma arc spark for exploding water, no one at all knew where it would lead (..no one still does). So the idea that it could have been taken off before we all could see it is just wrong.. And maybe a little paranoid ;) . But like i tell peeps who sometimes accuse me of being that: "Even paranoids have enemies" lol.   

Let's look at the sequence of events that would happen if such a "solid" device was revealed here;

> First the thread with vids and photos, schematics would appear. We would all study it closely.

> Next, the naysayers would chime in claiming fraud if it is very obvious from the data shown that it works, or simple incompetence if it is still questionable.

> Those that have learned to ignore the nay-sayers would do so, and prepare to replicate, getting as much info on building as they could out of the inventor / thread owner.

> The first replicators would "just build it" lol. Some may succeed while other's don't, or maybe the level of success would differ greatly. Meanwhile the naysaying would actually increase in volume and nastiness.

> Interest would increase with added replications, causing a cascade effect with more doing so. Suddenly there are two dozen peeps in several different countries doing it. But note: There is still no concrete proof that it is "for real".

> Eventually, if there are several working prototype replication claims, then it will begin to get independently verified.. By local college profs, or other similar means. We will see the verifications. Now it is beginning to feel "for real", and excitement is building.

Guess what? It's now too late to stop it.

This is why the idea that something "too good" would be automatically kept from us is not holding water... Closing ALL the Open Source sites would be the only answer.

I don't want to turn this into a political statement; But i think we can all agree here that in the US we really need to fight for "Net Neutrality" to insure the large telecomm corporations don't get the means to close down sites like this... Because if given that power, they surely will. They didn't build the Internet; they have only used it to make Billions in profits. Yet they claim to have the right to take it over. Are we THAT stupid in America, lol (.. and what happens here effects the entire internet world-wide)? The votes on this will be coming up in the US Senate again later this year.... Last time they only deferred it with no result. 

Hi everybody!

This technology comes from:  the dynamic super-conductivity (DSC,  10 y.o research)!
Russian's call it the  KORTAGE (shorted toroidal electronic wire-vertex ) based on indefinite surface of moebius ring.

Note:
1. The superconductivity doesn’t let any magnetic field get in.
2. the Dynamic here means - the systems must be  pulsed continuously to keep this conductivity on.

This device able to create a super magnetic field with special micro and macro parameters, what  gives to us a new way to make "any energy from everywhere"...

-PS- as I know the Russian’s made field aprox. Н≈51Ñ...1019 а/m, при  t≈180 С, P≈760 mm.<- this is real shit! you can fly easily!

Nick

FWIW, a quote from Bearden that might be a propos to the latter parts of this discussion:

Maxwell's equations (Heaviside version) do indeed allow open EM systems freely
receiving excess energy from their environment, and producing overunity.  Such
systems can (1) self-oscillate, (2) self-organize, and (3) power themselves
while simultaneously powering a load.

There is no problem at all in extracting all the EM energy you wish from the
vacuum.  Everything does that anyway!  Our normal circuits only capture and
use about 10exp(-13) of the actual energy flow extracted from the vacuum by
the source dipole.  Heaviside pointed out that most of the energy was just
wasted in nondivergent form.  Lorentz impatiently formulated a procedure that
just discards all that 10exp13 component, leaving only the 10exp(-13)
component.  That tiny little remaining "diverged" (collected) fraction is what
drives our circuits.  Lorentz also taught us the completely stupid (from a
power system viewpoint) procedure of symmetrically regauging Maxwell-Heaviside
equations before we use them.  In other words, he taught us to discard far
more systems -- all those that asymmetrically self-regauge so as to retain a
net force and be able to use that excess free energy in a load -- than he
retained.  Since then, all our engineers have dutifully -- like good little
parrots -- applied those equations AFTER the Lorentz procedure has been
invoked.

Free energy experimenters always expected a conspiracy somewhere.  It actually
was an innocent conspiracy originally.  The old guys did it to ease the
solution of the equations mathematically.  It appears that one or two later
realized what I speak of in this writeup.  However, their controllers (the
financial end) in secret has had this kind of thing suppressed for decades.
Now you know the exact nature of the real conspiracy.  It is innocent on the
part of the scientists for 99.9999% of the cases.  It is not innocent at all
on the part of a very few powerful industrialists who know this and pass it
along.

Both the Russians (Moscow University) and the U.S. (Gabriel Kron for a
contractor in a Navy contract at Stanford University) made free energy devices
in the 1930s.  The Russian work is fully documented in the hard Russian
physics literature and the French physics literature.  The KGB/Communists
suppressed the Russian work at the beginning of WW II.  I do not know what
happened in France to cause its abandonment.  In the U.S., Kron's work was
never openly released on what he called his "negative resistor" which, when
connected to the Network Analyzer at Stanford, allowed the NA to be
disconnected from the generator because the negative resistor would power it.

See:  http://users.navi.net/~rsc/physics/beard24.txt

http://users.navi.net/~rsc/physics/beard24.txt..<-----looks pretty good!!!!



...it well known  " ...the light speed.. doesnt limit our ideas :)...the principle of mind is the greate ultimate."....
Thanks Mr. Smith for the link!!!  how is Canada doing? (UofA, UBC,..etc)?

Gyus, there is the answer from Tom Bearden <--sound good to me!:
1.......infolded topology within the outfolded topologies" -- is the secret to developing a unified field theory
       is the secret to developing a unified field theory that is engineerable upon the laboratory bench
2, .....Anyhow, hopefully that gives you some insight into the business of
multiarrayed semiconductors performing overunity.

Cheers,
Nick, RF engineering/Canada/USSR

Hey Nick,
It's been cold in Canada, but I think it's been cold all over North America.  We're a tuff bunch. 
Glad you enjoyed the Bearden info.

Here's another that relates, I think, to your remarks about unified field. I've just started working thru it today, so I don't have much to say yet:  Konstantin Meyl's "Faraday or Maxwell? Do Scalar Waves Exist or Not? Practical Consequences of an Extended Field Theory."  See:
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/60_Primaerliteratur/Faraday-or-Maxwell.pdf

For those interested, there's an interview with Meyl in English (his English is very good) in which he explains scalar waves as he sees them, and why Tesla's patents were inaccessible to most readers, among other things.  Very good interview at the bottom of this page:
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=45_Videos-on-demand&page=1&sublevel=0

All the best,
Bob


Bob

Hi Bobbie,
I knew that! you are a tuff canadien guys!...
I love the canada (exept the system and rcmp :)
anyway:
1......lets take the  Archimedes' law  and Viktor Schauberger  vertex patent....
how we can join both thing together to interract with  earth's geo-magnetic field ?...
any ideas welcome from anybody!
2. next step will be : " take this idea or drop it..."
Note to everybody:
        "...motion creates motion..."<--- this is a BIG idea of our forum!
Regards,
Nick

from KORTAGE project ( 2001, moscow), authors:  Ignatov , Berejnoi:

self- charging moebius capacitor, : patent  #2001119317-RU,
Ulta strong static magnetic field   : patent  #2001119318-RU,

link in russian: WTF??? http://www.ntpo.com/techno/techno2_2/18.shtml
.... russians always have a problem:  they published a lot of useless information, it's like bible, everybody reading, and can not  understand.. ..the" yellow brothers" doing same now by using "copy and paste" technique and changing the signature only.... It sucks!)
nick

Quote from: nkovchak on February 04, 2009, 06:46:37 AM
from KORTAGE project ( 2001, moscow), authors:  Ignatov , Berejnoi:

self- charging moebius capacitor, : patent  #2001119317-RU,
Ulta strong static magnetic field   : patent  #2001119318-RU,

link in russian: WTF??? http://www.ntpo.com/techno/techno2_2/18.shtml
.... russians always have a problem:  they published a lot of useless information, it's like bible, everybody reading, and can not  understand.. ..the" yellow brothers" doing same now by using "copy and paste" technique and changing the signature only.... It sucks!)
nick

translated

http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=ru_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fntpo.com%2ftechno%2ftechno2_2%2f18.shtml

hi

i see scalar wave yes  this  is  one of posibilited  way to  convert  energy 
IF ISAY SOMETHING

YOU MAYBE  NOT SEE  IS IMPORTANT  BUT IS   VERY VERY IMPORTANT THIS

I HAVE SAY  SOME HER    FOR  CONTROL COILS  OR<prymary coils  or input energy coils>>this  IS  GOOD INPUT  OR GOOD COILS  OF EVERY  TPU I HAVE SEE HERE ON THIS   FORUM  YES  IS EVERY COILS IS OK   BUT 
WAY YOU ARE DONT SEE  YOU ARE MAKE   MYSTAKE   WHIT MAKEING  <COLECTORS COILs  OR SECUNDARYCOILs  >>here i tell you  this is  the error of  tpu  or  coneverting devices

If I TAKE  ONE EXPLANE HERE  IF YOU SEE THE SIMPLE TRANSFORMER  YOU SEE  THR  TWO COILS <ONE IS INPUT ATHERE IS OUT COIL
>
HERE IS  IN THE   SIMPLE  50HZ TRANSFORMER  EVERTHING IS TUNE
WHAT IS  TUNE MEAN
I MEAN THE INPUT ENERGY  IS EASY TRANSPORT TO  ATHERE  SECUNDARY COIL  ABOUT 90%
NOW  WE SEE HOW IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT GOOD TRANSPORT OF ENERGY  THE CORE  <<NUMBERS OF TURNS  PER  VOLTAGE  >
IF YOU HAVE  GOOD  TRANSPORT PARTS  YOU WHILL HAVE ALLWAYS  GOOD  TRANSMITER

BUT WHAT  THEN TRANSMITED  OR TRANSPORT ENERGY  TO EXIT COILS IS OK 
BUT THEN  IF IS TRANSPORT IS OK   <<WE MAST HAVE  TUNE  GOOD RECIVER  COILS   FOR  TO ABLE TO PICK UP THIS  HZ  AND  ELKTROMAGNET FILD  TO EXIT COILS 
I TELL YUO  SIMPLE TRASFORMER IS  OK  PICK UP COILS IS TUNE  TRANSPORTS PARTS MATERIAL IS OK  EVERTHING IS TUNE  CLOUSE TO  PERFEFCKT  <<90%

NOW READ THIS
IF I TAKE  MATHERE  FORMULA FOR ENERGY  AND EXPLANE  THE ENERGY WHAT IS IN THE TRANSFORMER

OK FIRST ENERGY INPUT IS  <ELKTROMAGNETFILD    HOW MUCH IS STRONG THAT >> SECOND INPUT ENERGY  IS<<THE SPEED   OR FREKFENCY>>
AND NOW WHIT THIS TWO INPUT SOURCES  YOU HAVE 3 OUT ENERGY

IF YOU  HAVE ABLE  TO INCREASE THE  ENYKIND O THIS TWO INPUT ENERGY  YOU WHILL HAVE ALLWAYS  MORE TO EXIT ENERGY
I KNOW YOU WILL SAY IS EASY  I INCREASING FREK  TO HAVE  MORE OUT ENERGY
THAT IS GOOD  THING  FOR INCREASING    BUT WHAT THEN
YOU HAVE  SMALL ELKTROMAGNET FILD  HO YOU WHILL DRAIVE  FAST AND MORE FAST  <HZ>. OK  IS THAT   BUT Y7OU FORGET THE IMPORTANT THING  YOU MAST HAVE GOOD TRANSPORT PARTS FOR TRANSPORT THIS ENRGY HO IS FAST <HZ> ????
AND  THEN  IF YOU MAKE  THIS PARTS  ELEMENT FOR TRANSPRT  THIS   <<THEN YOU WHILL NEED  I
SECUNDARY OR COLECTORS COILS   FOR PICUP THIS FREK.  <<IN SHORT  YOU WHILL NEED  GOOD RECIVER

LIIKE<<GOOD RECIVER  FOR 50HZ TRANSFORMER  <IF YOU TUNE  CLOUSE  TO  TRANSMITER COILS FREK  YOU WHILL HAVE MORE LIKE  <,50HZ TRASFORMER
I THING THE  SIMPLE TRASFORMER   SECUNDARY COILS  IS TUNE ABOUT 90% TO  MAIN INPUT SOURCE AND FREK.   <WHAT IM SAY

IF YOUR  HIGH FREK INPUT TRANSMITER COILS  OR PRYMARY IS  AND YOU HAVE GOOD TRANSPORT PARTS  AND GOOD  RECIVERS  OUT OR SECUNADRY COIL  YOU WHILL HAVE MORE ENERGY

BEACOUSE  <,ENERGY IS THIS

ELKTROMAGNET FILD HOW IS STRONG  AND  SPEED  OF THIS  ELKTROMAGNET FILD  <HZ
CHANEG FREK  YOU CHANGE  OUT ENERGY  SIMPLE   
THIS WHILL WORK 100 % SURE IF YOU HAVE  TUNE EVERTHING  ABOUT 90%
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOO

HMMMMM

macidonia, a question to you related to EV kick.....
...is it possible to shield the magnetic field by pulsing collector?
nk

nickc

my long explane  has simple   
and short explane

LIKE  THIS

IF YOU MAKE   PRYMARY COIL  WHIT LETS SAY  WHIT 200  TO  CORE LIKE THIS  FOR 50 HZ   THAT  COR E  WHILL NOT TRANSPORT  WHELL GOOD   THAT FREKH  AN DTHEN YOU AUTOMATICLY DONT HAVE GOOD TRANSPORT PARTS AND NOTHING


AND IF YOU MAKE PULS FRE  SQURE 
THAT IS NOT FREKEFENCY 
THAT IS  DC CUT IN PIECES  PULSES S NOT FREKFENCY
IF YOU TAKE  5 VOLTS PULSES FOR FERITH CORE   AND MAKE  TURNS  <<YOU MAST KNOW HOW MUCSH YOU WHILL MAKES TURNS OF NUMBERE
BUT THERE IS WRONG IF PULSE <FREKFENCY IS  50KHZ  YOU WHILL MAKE  HMMM MORE TURNS  AND THAT COIL WHILL BE  TUNE  TO 5 VOLTAGE YOU MAST CALCULATED  YOUR COIL  LIKE YOU PUT ONE HZ  <50KHZ AND 10KHZ AND ATHER PULSE FREK IS  ALLWAYS  THE <,ONE HZ  <<AND TAKE  THIS  AND ALLWAYS CALCULATED  LIKE YOU HAVE  ONE HZ
AND THEN THE NUMBER  OF TURNS FOR ONE VOLT WHILL BE   FOR EVERY FREK <,ONLY FOR PULSE
IFYOU MAKE  5 VOLTS  FOR SINUS  FOR 50HZ  THEN YOU TAKE CALCULATED    WHIT <45>AND IF YOU MAKE 25 HZ SINUS YOU TAKE <<22,5 >.
IF YOU MAKE 12,25HZ SINUS  YOU TAKE   11,25   AND  IF YOU GOING TO  ONE HZ

AND ONE HZ IS PULSE    THEYOU WHILL TAKE  1 HZ   = 0,98
AND THEN YOUR NUMBER  FOR  PULSE FREK WHILL BE ALLWAYS  TAKE THIS CALCULATED WHIT <0,98

LIE THIS   YOU HAVE  TRASFORMER WHIT  <<a and b side  <<squre   dimension 
and is like this
a*b = ?

and  then 0,98 / ?  =  of how many turns for one volts  for  pulse squre
and
but if you put sinus more then 50hz  then  calculation  whil increasing the numbes per turns

like this if you put  100 hz sinus
<50hz is ... 45  >>
<100hz is ... 90>>
<200hz is ..  180>>

and lie this  <<a *b side of core =?
and    <<45 / a*b =  how many turns for  one volts for 50hz

and for 100zhz is
<<   90 / a*b = how many turns for one volts  for 100 hz

and you see  that is simple  if you INCREASING THE SPEED OF ELKTROMAGNET FILD    WHIT TUNE CALCULATION YOU WHILL HAVE SOMETHING
IST  OR NOT  ;)

EVERYTHING     <,TUNE >> CLOUSE THE   STATION TRANSMITER ;)

So....? macedonia,
we deal with dynamic superconductivity of collector  ring and directional pulse what moving around without losses with superposition at standing wave. Each turn compressed the pulse to indefinitely ( in general), so we able to reach boundary E/H/B effect. At this critical point an energy transformer doesn’t  seems working properly in meaning of adding extra power to output to reach overunity?
nick.

HEY JUST SOME HOW MAKE THIS AND YOU WHILL SEE

Chef, we need put some our experience to this mistery.....

1.…review the superposition of current and repeated pulses:
... each additive turn compress the pulse and add some dx-speed of longitudinal  waves-acceleration…
finaly we will  get indefinite speed with delta pulse....  guys take FFT of this funny stuff.... somebody know boundary effect E/H/V

2.why using two freq.? simple 1st speed, 2nd dx acceleration...we need standing waves at fixed output points ( not running gradient) for its  max. efficiency

t3. wo parallel collectors with opposite directions of current gives us differential pseudo-standing wave...
the moebius ring- perfect distributed LC for pulse compression....... let me check something for my nextnote..

nick

kind of centrifuge, elektrons  with mass going where?

chiff,
at points where ring discontinued (abrupt turn to opposit direction corner )....we have a deposit of electrons....or DC....please continue..!

Chef, i think we have HYBRID energy in our model.... so there should be overunity!!!!!

I checked russian site!
patent RU2141718,  it seems guy wanna said closed things, but in different way..
http://ntpo.com/patents_electricity/electricity_6/electricity_15.shtml

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Stationary electrons wave  in Earth magnetic field must rotate.Cyclone effect I call it.Everywhere in the Earth there is energy, that's sure.Blind we are.Just use the Force...

Yoda

forest,
...tel me more about this point?..... if  we need the rotation, we can use existing "running waves" inside the collector with antigravitation effect on  centrifuge.....
nk.....

Quote from: nkovchak on February 05, 2009, 10:54:26 AM
I checked russian site!
patent RU2141718,  it seems guy wanna said closed things, but in different way..
http://ntpo.com/patents_electricity/electricity_6/electricity_15.shtml

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http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fntpo.com%2Fpatents_electricity%2Felectricity_6%2Felectricity_15.shtml&lp=ru_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

For any good idea resistance always is.To use the Force clear the path you must, resistance is dark side of it.Once the flow sustained, the Force will drive it around.

Yoda


Imagine a train running to the right and a man inside who is throwing a ball up . You are standing outside the train observing it. The ball inside train is not moving with train if flying in air against gravity, but once it fall back to the train floor it catches the same speed as train.From the observer inside train , the ball is flowing at opposite wall.
Now why we didn't observed it during a trip by train ? Because the speed of train is slow and the resistance of air is enough also to stop the effect and the effect probably exists only in slight moment when force whcih throw it balance with gravity.We see the effect when train is abruptly stopping.
We see the effect inside vacuum tubes when starting power , there is an inrush of current caused by Earth magnetic field. The gravitation or molecular forces which causes resistance and stick all matter to Earth removes the effect.But if you balance gravitation,magnetic field and resistance then so called electrons are like this  ball in a train.Earth is a train.

Hello all TPU builders,

Im posting this for people that are building TPUs, not for the PC heroes. And Im sorry for this what I have to say!!

Maybe you know or not, Im working the last 4 or so days with tubes. I mean I have 1 or more tubes connected to my TPU.

Now after 2?? years working with MOSFETs I can say that developing a TPU with the use of MOSFETs has NO SENCE.

Im sorry but fact is that NOBODY has even a little chance to build a TPU with the use of MOSFETs.

In the past I made over 200 various TPUs, some very good working and others not so good working but I was always pulsating the coils with MOSFETs. With good working I mean a good or not so good light.

No, I didnt waste my time the last years. I learned how to pulse coils, how they interact, how to connect them, how to get a really big output voltage, current......but I never saw something special to say it in this way.

This was my main reason I wanted to see what tubes are good for. And they are FANTASTIC. Much better then MOSFETs.

What to say? I can only say that you should invest a little money, buy a transformer for tubes, some tubes and sockets and thats it!!

Again, YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO BUILD A TPU WITHOUT TUBES!!!!

Dont think you are cleverer then SM. He started with tubes and that has a very good reason: special effects that you cant see with MOSFETs.

Its on you, my TPU builders, to waste your time with MOSFETs or to invest a little money for tubes and have soooooo much fun with them.
Im fascinated!!!

Now dont start again a bla, bla discussion about tubes. We had such a crap a time ago.Crap because one is a discussion about the properties of tubes and something totally different is to work with tubes, to connect them to coils.

Again and again: DONT USE MOSFETs!!!

I hope I was clear. If not then read my post again and again until you understand it.

Otto

otto,
can you help us to clear  undestood the physic's inside the device?....
we unable to build a device, what generate "something" from the space without mind!.
nk

Quote from: otto on February 06, 2009, 01:42:09 AM
Hello all TPU builders,


Again, YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO BUILD A TPU WITHOUT TUBES!!!!
properties of tubes and something totally different is to work with tubes, to connect them to coils.

Again and again: DONT USE MOSFETs!!!

I hope I was clear. If not then read my post again and again until you understand it.

Otto

Hi otto,

can you please tell us witch tubes you are using? The one SM mentioned (5U4-GB and so on) has a vacuum (in german Hochvakuum), so i think we have to look/care for it!

Thanks
Norbert

Hello all,

@Norbert

Im using a 12AU7 double triode or in Europe it is a ECC 82 tube. The 5U4 is a rectifier tube. As a rectifier Im using 4 diodes 1N4007, I hope,ha,ha. I would love to have a rectifier tube ...hmmm.....maybe I have one???

I have a few various tubes. I have to see what types of tubes.

My tube is not the best triode but OK, I have to use it.

Again to TPU builders: DONT USE MOSFETS!!!

Otto

Quote from: otto on February 06, 2009, 04:58:23 AM
Hello all,

@Norbert

Im using a 12AU7 double triode or in Europe it is a ECC 82 tube. The 5U4 is a rectifier tube. As a rectifier Im using 4 diodes 1N4007, I hope,ha,ha. I would love to have a rectifier tube ...hmmm.....maybe I have one???

I have a few various tubes. I have to see what types of tubes.

My tube is not the best triode but OK, I have to use it.

Again to TPU builders: DONT USE MOSFETS!!!

Otto

Good one Otto!

ALL ,

They are easier, especially to begin with.

VHF tubes were mentioned like in the tuners of tv sets

Moray said that some worked better that others and did not know why

go hunt down some junk and try  ... what have you got to lose?

@Otto

Good going!

The ECC82 is a good start for most. My belief for important factors of the 5U4GB example was the heater is also the cathode. There was no separate cathode to prevent the heater signal from combining with the plate current. It is also known for lower internal resistance and higher current capacity.

The ECC82 may have speed issues because of size and lead capacitance but it is a good one to start . Who knows? Maybe it is all that is required.


Good Luck!

BEP

Hello all,

no MOSFETs, OK?

@BEP

MOSFETs have a much bigger capacitance then tubes. Our coils have a low capacitance, I hope.

Now just a little bit why Im fascinated with my tube(s):

I have connected the + plate voltage to the plate of my tube. The minus is connected to the cathode. From the plate there is a connection to 1 of my collectors. In measuring 398V/19mA on my tube.

Nothing else is connected. No + or minus to the coils.

Result:

I see square waves on my scope. Square waves with kicks between the square waves. Every 270Hz or so I see a kick. 1 positive kick and then a negative kick.

Remember. Just a tube with a plate voltage. No heating, nothing.

I also see a lot of other s..t going on in my TPU but I dont have time to wright about this because the weekend starts and its TUBE TIME for me.

Otto

PS: if this is interesting for the people here I will continue on Monday. If not, I can be very quiet.

We don't seem to see any tubes in the SM's demonstration devices.
Can someone point me to any part of any demonstrated TPUs that may be concealing a tube?

Quote from: AhuraMazda on February 06, 2009, 03:34:00 PM
We don't seem to see any tubes in the SM's demonstration devices.
Can someone point me to any part of any demonstrated TPUs that may be concealing a tube?

I am convinced there are two and possibly a third in the open TPU. Of course, no one else agrees with that.
Even if I am completely off base, the descriptions given about misconnected or unphased transformers would produce interesting results if we clashed electron clouds together in a tube instead of a transformer circuit. All are probably just stories to make a point.

Quote from: AhuraMazda on February 06, 2009, 03:34:00 PM
We don't seem to see any tubes in the SM's demonstration devices.
Can someone point me to any part of any demonstrated TPUs that may be concealing a tube?

Thats easy ......dont use them

Again we come to one of the key reasons why real TPU research on this forum is dead. Tubes? Really? it's like you guys are looking for a magical brew to make a tpu. As if getting all the right components is the important part! You can use tubes, you can use mosfets, you can use two sticks covered in tinfoil rubbing together as long as they serve the same function. No physical phenomenon is restricted to certain components. This discussion makes about as much sense as arguing what the wires are made of.

Sure response time might be important, but since we don't know how the damn things work we have no idea on what is important. If we had the great Steven Mark (s) shopping list we would probably still be stuck right in the same place with very few leads on how to build the thing. Focus on creating the effects, not necessarily power generation, but some sort of resonant coil that has gyroscopic action. Then work from there. To stumble in the dark making wild assumptions about vacuum tubes or any other comment from a man trying to HIDE the inner workings of his own device is stupid. To make devices randomly with the hope of one someday succeeding by chance is equally as stupid.

Quote from: ben8807 on February 06, 2009, 09:49:38 PM
Again we come to one of the key reasons why real TPU research on this forum is dead. Tubes? Really? it's like you guys are looking for a magical brew to make a tpu. As if getting all the right components is the important part! You can use tubes, you can use mosfets, you can use two sticks covered in tinfoil rubbing together as long as they serve the same function. No physical phenomenon is restricted to certain components. This discussion makes about as much sense as arguing what the wires are made of.

Sure response time might be important, but since we don't know how the damn things work we have no idea on what is important. If we had the great Steven Mark (s) shopping list we would probably still be stuck right in the same place with very few leads on how to build the thing. Focus on creating the effects, not necessarily power generation, but some sort of resonant coil that has gyroscopic action. Then work from there. To stumble in the dark making wild assumptions about vacuum tubes or any other comment from a man trying to HIDE the inner workings of his own device is stupid. To make devices randomly with the hope of one someday succeeding by chance is equally as stupid.

Certain physical phenomenan IS restricted to tubes..more reading less writing

Cannot imagine that Steven used tubes in his small devices....He used also solid state electronics so the effect is not addicted to tubes.

A.

just download  film: "Energy From The Vacuum Part 7:  - Tesla's Impulse Technology - dialogues with john bedini".

-B.Russell said:
"...to regulate the pattern of human life need to inject a certaine dose of anarchizm..."

1.if you want to compress something:
you must apply opposite forces. If the coil grounded and pulsed from one side, what issues the oposit force ?

with a fun,
nick

related to control coils:
...you have a parallel path: one direct other's with short delay. apply single pulse as input, at the output you will get
pulse superposition ( direct + delayed)...there is your single voltage kick what injected into collector ring with its own
repeated pulse superposition!

guys ,  what this all about?
what kind of energy you wanna extract and from where?
nk

try summing: sine with delayes sine and inject it into collector.... what you will get?
...a new generation seems fuck all!

Quote from: Mannix on February 07, 2009, 02:46:54 AM
Certain physical phenomenan IS restricted to tubes..more reading less writing

Ok, I'll bite. What do tubes do that cannot be done with other components, and how is this directly responsible for TPUs working? If you cannot provide any support for this claim then it is yet again misdirection. Wow, misdirection on this forum? never!

Maybe vacuum tubes are better for TPU building than solid state, maybe not. Either way though the parts are interchangeable. If the device is a pair of RF generators, a couple toroidal coils, and some beefy diodes and capacitors for output smoothing then where is the magical vacuum tube requiring part?

My whole point is that you are arguing about the importance of vacuum tubes without anyone understanding the fundamental reasons for the device to operate. More thinking less writing.

Devices
--------------------------------------------------
Vacuum Tubes
Up until about 30 years ago, the vacuum tube was the only device capable of delivering power reliably and cost effectively. Tubes operate from power supplies delivering hundreds of volts and require output transformers to deliver substantial power levels.

Bipolar Transistors
The bipolar transistor has replaced the vacuum tube as the workhorse of the power-amp industry, with single devices capable of tens of amps and hundreds of volts. The transistor's low output impedance is a much better match to speaker loads. The biggest change in bipolar transistor technology in recent history is the availability of power transistors in plastic packages. These are essentially the same parts as before, mounted to a metal substrate, but now surrounded by plastic instead of the traditional metal jacket. These lend themselves better to automation and will eventually replace metal in all but a few applications.

Mosfet Transistors
The mosfet (Metal Oxide Semiconductor Field Effect Transistor) has been around almost as long as the bipolar transistor but has only recently become a significant factor in power amps. There are two basic types: vertical and lateral. Vertical mosfets are optimized for switching and popular in Class D designs. Lateral mosfets are optimized for linear operation and utilized in the output stages of conventional Class A/B designs. They are not drop-in replacements for bipolar. They require different approaches for driving and protection. They do not yield a "tube sound," as some claim. When used "open loop" or with low negative feedback, they exhibit "mosfet sound." Properly designed and used within design parameters, an amplifier will not have a characteristic sound. The positive sound qualities attributed to vacuum-tube amplifiers are actually artifacts of non-ideal performance and musical sounding overload characteristics beyond electrical clipping.

New Devices
The only notable new device in recent history is the IGBT (Isolated Gate Bipolar Transistor). This is a cross between mosfet and bipolar, aiming for the best of both (high power gain of mosfet with low saturation voltage of bipolar). These devices are essentially designed as on/off switches, but at least one esoteric hi-fi design uses these linearly. Currently, the big market for these is in switching power supplies, and they may eventually find their way into Class D amps.

CS 800X
These are the basic components and techniques. Probably 99.9% of all the amps you will ever encounter use some combination or variation of these parts and topologies, with a good 90% using bipolar transistors in a Class A/B topology. The CS® and PV® series are classic examples of this, using Class A/B topology and bipolar power transistors. The reason for this is excellent performance, reliability, and cost effectiveness.

DPC 1000
It's much more interesting to talk about the other 9.9%, so here goes. Probably the most technically advanced amplifier technology available today is Peavey's Digital Power Conversion (DPC) series. While the original DECAs used a modified Class D topology, the DPC uses a patented, improved form of Class D called "Phase Modulation Control."

Instead of creating the audio signal by simple Pulse Width Modulation or duty cycle variation of a square wave, Phase Modulation uses two switches operating at the same frequency. By controlling the phase angle or time difference between the two waveforms and processing them differentially, the output varies from full off (0 phase shift) to full on (180°). This approach does not suffer from the difficult turn-on speed and symmetry problems that limit the performance of conventional PWMs. Vertical mosfets are the output device of choice due to their ability to turn on and off very quickly. This series of amps delivers on the promise made by Class D, with Peavey's single-rack-space DPC 1000 putting out 1500 watts of peak music power without becoming a space heater. Due to the complexity there is a small price premium. But just ask any bass player which he'd rather carry around in his rack, a DPC at 12 lbs. or a conventional 1000W Class A/B amplifier... Enough said!

VX 1.5
Next in the high-technology hit parade is Peavey's VX series. These amplifiers use a novel variation on Class G/H topology. The VXs use multiple power supplies for improved efficiency over conventional Class A/B, but with a twist. Our design engineers came up with a way to switch between the rails without the significant distortion (switching) spikes typical of these designs (patent pending). Now you can get 1500W RMS in two rack spaces without having to grit your teeth every time the drummer hits his cymbals; true hi-fi performance with typical full-power distortion figures of less than 0.008% THD+N, and full power at 20 kHz still below 0.04% THD+N. These numbers beat most manufacturers' conventional Class A/B designs!

Classic 120/120
For generations, musicians have been in love with the sound of vacuum-tube power amps. Most tube power amps are basically Class A/B designs with output step-down transformers. These are undeniably "low-tech"; however, tube amplifiers like Peavey's Classic® series are still very popular. It's difficult to say exactly what it is about tube designs that people love so much. The low damping factor, caused by the output transformer and the relatively high output impedance of vacuum tubes, produces "pleasant interactions" with speaker resonances. More likely, the vacuum tube's unique characteristic overload (what, musicians overdriving an amp?) is what pleases the ear. Although low-tech, tube amplifiers are not cheap. Good-quality tubes get harder and harder to buy and quality audio frequency output transformers are very expensive.

Our next major family of amplifiers is Peavey's Architectural Acoustics series. These are designed for fixed installations, such as churches and auditoriums. These amps use conventional Class A/B topology with output step-up transformers to deliver 70/100V to large "distributed" sound systems. By stepping up the voltage, resistive wiring losses become less significant. In fact, this is the same reason utility companies prefer to send 20,000 volts across the countryside than good ole 110V. In some cases bridged configurations are used to directly generate 70V swings, or in the case of emergency battery-powered units, to get the signal swing up and resistive losses down. These use conventional approaches that are optimized for their applications, where reliability and cost are more important than portability or size.

PMA 70
Getting back to the unconventional, Peavey's AMR PMA 70+ uses a unique variation of Class G/H to deliver momentary levels of 100W from a 35W continuous-output amplifier. Unlike the typical Class G/H, the PMA70+ doesn't use multiple fixed-rail voltages. Instead, a specialized voltage doubler circuit generates higher rails on demand. The amount of peak power available is limited by the doubler's storage capacity and how fast you recharge the doubler's capacitors. To better match the power demands of typical musical waveforms, the boost capacitor is only recharged at a rate that supports 60 watts RMS, and this is thermally limited to no more than about 15 seconds of continuous boost. If you've ever looked at music on an oscilloscope or even on a peak-reading meter, you will notice that music only hits its highest peaks for small fractions of a second with average power levels 6-10dB below that. The PMA70+ delivers momentary output equal to a 100W amp but with a size and cost closer to a 35W amp. This amp is popular for driving headphone systems in recording studios and for small near-field monitor speakers.

RP 500
Another studio/hi-fi offering is Peavey's AMR RP 500 Reference Power Amplifier. Using proven Class A/B technology but with lateral mosfet power devices instead of bipolar transistors, this amp is designed for critical studio monitoring applications. The RPA delivers tons of output drive current to deal with even the most exotic (read poorly designed) monitor speaker. State-of-the-art slew rate, distortion, and dynamic range insure effortless reproduction of master-quality music. This approach is slightly more expensive due to the high cost of the lateral mosfets and associated circuitry.

     If you have a standing wave like you can make with a tesla transformer and you take the secondary and form it into a torroidal transformer.  Now your nodes and antinodes would appear at different spots along the diameter of the torroid.
If you off tune the standing wave appears to travel.  In this case it would appear to travel in a rotary fashion.  The current flowing in different portions of the traveling standing wave setting up magnetic poles that appear to be traveling.   

Listen to Sparks my young padawan..

Yoda  ;D

Not only they can rotate but also they could be speed up by this effect : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

sparks!
you are right!
nk

hi forest,
..there is other trick:
capacitor effect on moebius ring, check surface (exterior/interior) charging  potential.....
nk

the dark side of  this tpu still:
....  the mutual magnetic coupling between collector and control coils....any ideas?

Quote from: nkovchak on February 07, 2009, 12:07:36 PM
the dark side of  this tpu still:
....  the mutual magnetic coupling between collector and control coils....any ideas?

hmm,where ? I don't see any... I have only a problem with visualisation of collector and gain as mentioned by SM because I've never worked with radio equipment.So the problem is where is the power. I could imagine kicks but where is actual power ? I know that it's something related to Sm comments about the source being the feed and running with gain but pardon me I must to rethink it because my knowledge here is limited.
Finally also why not imagine safe TPU producing cold electricity ? That's I bet our  aim for the future.

Quote from: nkovchak on February 07, 2009, 12:07:36 PM
the dark side of  this tpu still:
....  the mutual magnetic coupling between collector and control coils....any ideas?

can help .... see at the end of this document ??????

www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/ppc.PDF

thanks wings,
these is kind of overunity parametric transformer: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/paraform.htm
in case of tpu-ecd:
....control coils and collector have orthgonal orientation with minimul em-coupling and special geometry what let the control system inject pulses in one direction only ( into collector)....
nk

Quote from: nkovchak on February 07, 2009, 04:35:13 PM
thanks wings,
these is kind of overunity parametric transformer: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/paraform.htm
in case of tpu-ecd:
....control coils and collector have orthgonal orientation with minimul em-coupling and special geometry what let the control system inject pulses in one direction only ( into collector)....
nk

a good point!

It may not be this kind of coupling at all...

Steven named the control coils as "control coils" which MAY Only control...
Otherwise he might have called them "drive" coils if you see what I mean

time is going to tell , only by experimenting with the devices recommended

hi chif,
.....i have no clue how to use the tubes or spirks and why they better?....i guess the transition zone for swithing is more important:
dU/dt....
sparks create plasma ( highly conductive effect, maybe with negative resistance,....
.... the magnetron is   theoreticaly " Perpetum Mobile", but practicaly  it has a problem with the electron claude.....
refeer to  this  article:  http://www.macmep.ru/magnetron.htm..
nk

pulse compression improving  dU/dt...
by using non-linear transmission line (NTL) ,its possible to compress input pulse to pico-seconds....
..maybe this kind of pulses able to breake the energy balance and existing theory, and extract additional spin energy from the material ?
nk

Mr. Bedini said the "negative energy: comes from "NOwere-( virtual matirial -efir)".....
I want correct his point:
- this kind of energy cames from "SOMEwere...."
nk

by spliting the path of action/reaction (breaking Newton law) and summing both forces in additive way,
Mr. Berdini pointed, what able to get the unity/ and over....( this is exactly he did)....

related to TPU & TUBE

at the end (the last 2 pages) of this document

Thermionic Phenomena and the Laws which Govern Them - Owen Willans Richardson

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1928/richardson-lecture.html


"background of the invention"
Energy conversion systems - Paulo N. Correa

http://www.google.com/patents?id=4Nh3AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=7053576#PPA14,M1

some experiment

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1965.10