http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=7vp7f1QKYmg
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=MTBunEPOnxE
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=ejm_uQl7FkY
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=FCBztmscjuc
Regarding guns, England is ahead of us. All guns banned, not just pistols.
Here is the result not making the news here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
tishatang
They will never get my guns unless they pry them from my cold, dead hands!!!!! Obviously not my original quote but it fits and it is true.
Bill
You yanks should really try living without the 'security' of a deadly weapon, we aren't in the 1800's building log cabins and shooting buffalo and Indians anymore. The need to bear arms is a step back for the human race, we should be aiming to snap out of the caveman thinking of my club is bigger than yours.
Go you good thing Obama.
Quote from: Bennyboy on February 04, 2009, 01:23:35 AM
You yanks should really try living without the 'security' of a deadly weapon, we aren't in the 1800's building log cabins and shooting buffalo and Indians anymore. The need to bear arms is a step back for the human race, we should be aiming to snap out of the caveman thinking of my club is bigger than yours.
Go you good thing Obama.
Spoken like a future victim of a violent crime.
Bill
G'day all,
They did this in Australia a few years back. They banned all automatic and semi automatic rifles, made pistols virtually illegal and so forth. They even banned knives, any blade longer than 6 cm (less than 2 1/2 inches), you get caught with it carrying it on your person in public and you are in deep shit.
Now, the only well armed people apart from the authorities are the criminals.
Well done Australia, well done Obama.
Hans von Lieven
Two years ago I had my front door kicked in and I was robbed while at work. I lost several thousand dollars worth but it could have been much worse if they had not been interrupted by the mailman.
There have been robbers who have broken in early in the morning in my area and the occupants held at gun point while robbed.
Now I work from home and that will never happen again - I WILL protect my property with a gun.
obama is only just getting started, once the guns are gone the REAL party will start.
@b0rg13
Mate, I see you love a good conspiracy from all the threads you start. I have to wonder how you sleep at night with all this negativity you surround yourself with (correctly or not)?
If we ban all the guns then we could be able to emidiately ask(demand) our goverments to significantly lower theirs (police and military - both)!!!
and to think of more constructive ways....
Wiz
Quote from: Bennyboy on February 04, 2009, 03:17:04 AM
@b0rg13
Mate, I see you love a good conspiracy from all the threads you start. I have to wonder how you sleep at night with all this negativity you surround yourself with (correctly or not)?
i sleep just fine, dont worry about me,thanks for your concern.
....maybe when you actually wake up.....
"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it" (Santiago)
Listen folks, this HAS happened before. Remember?
Bill
@ Hans:
I can't believe you good folks down there allowed this to happen. Hell, you can kill someone with a pencil. Are they going to outlaw those as well? Actually, the same folks that led that movement in your country, are now over here attempting the same thing. They will NOT be successful as far as I am concerned. Thankfully, I am not alone.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 04, 2009, 05:10:38 AM
"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it" (Santiago)
Listen folks, this HAS happened before. Remember?
Bill
@ Hans:
I can't believe you good folks down there allowed this to happen. Hell, you can kill someone with a pencil. Are they going to outlaw those as well? Actually, the same folks that led that movement in your country, are now over here attempting the same thing. They will NOT be successful as far as I am concerned. Thankfully, I am not alone.
Bill
Pencil has many primary functions writting,drawing,inventing...
Guns has only one. Killing with pencil is harder in many ways than killing with gun, harder to
remove stains and is easier to catch the one who's done the killing. pencil wan't kill if mallfunction and won't kill cause of itchy or nervous finger. You can not kill many people with pencil, with (semi)automatic gun (more and more are automatic) you can make an massacre.
So Pirate You are Wrong in Many Many Many ways...
Wiz
@Pirate88179
On this subject I agree with you 100%, all it takes is to elect one bad apple delusioned by absolute power who takes what he wants from an unarmed population who cannot defend themselves. As well many people see Canada as peacekeepers who do not start wars for no apparent reason and will try to negotiate peace first. This is true but we have also proven that we will only take so much and then we will kick your ass into next year by force with whatever means are available. Freedom is not an inherent right, it is earned by people having the integrity to stand up for it, to protect it. We the population should have the means to protect ourselves from any government or agency both foreign or domestic, if we won't who will?. Sitting around pretending everything will work itself out is often a lesson in stupidity learned by those who are always sorry after the fact.
Regards
AC
Quote from: wizkycho on February 04, 2009, 11:50:48 AM
Pencil has many primary functions writting,drawing,inventing... Guns has only one. Killing with pencil is harder in many ways than killing with gun, harder to
remove stains and is easier to catch the one who's done the killing. pencil wan't kill if mallfunction and won't kill cause of itchy or nervous finger. You can not kill many people with pencil, with (semi)automatic gun (more and more are automatic) you can make an massacre.
So Pirate You are Wrong in Many Many Many ways...
Wiz
With all due respect, you are so inaccurate in your analysis I don't know where to begin. A gun never killed anyone, did you know this? Not one person. I have had and used guns most of my life and I never killed anyone so, I guess they must have at least one other purpose right? I don't even need a weapon to kill someone so, are you suggesting that my hands, arms and feet be outlawed too? Your line of reasoning, or lack thereof, is very scary. As long as there are people that actually think like you do, I will be keeping my guns.
Bill
Quote from: wizkycho on February 04, 2009, 04:46:46 AM
If we ban all the guns then we could be able to emidiately ask(demand) our goverments to significantly lower theirs (police and military - both)!!!
and to think of more constructive ways....
Wiz
This is a very silly idea. Since criminals and forces that seek to overturn a government are hardly likely to abide by the law and turn their guns in all you succeed in doing is to open up the country to invasion and anarchy.
Gun controls are only effective with law abiding citizens who are extremely unlikely to use them in a criminal fashion.
Hans von Lieven
When I read about someone wanting to ban all guns it always makes me think of the Program "60 Minutes" that airs here in the United States. Many years ago they interviewed a former drug smuggler who was serving time in prison for bringing illegal narcotics into our country. They asked him where he obtained his illegal firearms and he replied by saying that the guns come in with the drugs.
This always made me see that no matter what laws you pass in the United States to ban firearms, they will be just as effective as the laws that ban the drugs. Logically, outside of law enforcement and the military the only ones left with guns would be criminals. I would rather that the average law-abiding citizen would have the opportunity not to be a helpless victim.
Guns are a reality here in the US. It is better that you train yourself and your family to know what to do if they see a firearm; and to know how to shoot for self-defense if necessary. Better than being a helpless sheep!
There are those people who will choose to "live by the sword, die by the sword" in order to keep the government in check. (Republic/Democracy)
And there those people who are ruled/owned by the government with the sword regardless of the people's choice. (Communist/Dictatorship/Socialists)
I don't know about you, but I see it as this:
The US is probably the LEAST corrupt major government in the world period (regardless of who is President). Why? Because the people control who is in office.
The people of a Communist/Socialist/Dictatorship government have almost no say in what the government does and can't fight back. Just look at any revolt that happened in China/Russia/Iraq/Iran/Pakastan/North Korea...
And if you think the government is the only protection you need (local,state,country) then shame on you. They are the worst at being corrupted by absolute power.
Besides... Guns have other uses as well.
Fishing/Hunting
Protection from wild life (bears, cougars,...)
Cutting down trees for firewood (MiniGun).
Creating a nice artificial coral reef by rapid hole generation in an old boat.
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enforcing outragous laws on idiots who believe they shouldn't have the right to bear arms.
If the US situation with firearms is such a good idea, why does the US have such a huge firearm fatality rate? Regardless of the cause (accident, suicide, crime or self defense) the US is the world leader in firearm fatalities.
The Australian government banned most firearms in the mid 90's after a gunman killed 35 people. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
Hard to have gun related deaths when all the lower (poverty) countries can afford is sharpened sticks. Your data is skewed. Hey, why not check on how many automobile deaths occur in lower Dizumbuntoo. Probably not many because they can't afford CARS! Also, your data for the US includes (as you stated) deaths from murders, crimes, gang shootings, as well as self-protection. So, if you were here and got shot while being robbed, you would be in those numbers. If I shoot someone while they are trying to rob or kill me, now I am in those same numbers. The data presented this way is meaningless. A gun has never in the history of the world, killed anyone. Not even once. There is some hard data for you.
Bill
Craigslist message to a mugger ...
>>
>> I was the white guy with the black Burrberry jacket that you
>> demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and
>> my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and
>> earrings. I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like
>> to apologize.
>>
>> I didn't expect you to crap your pants when I drew my pistol after
>> you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a
>> reason that evening, and it wasn't that cold outside. You see, my
>> girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol for
>> Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it
>> that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It's a very intimidating
>> weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it?
>>
>> I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to
>> wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in
>> your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up
>> leaving your shoes, cellphone, and wallet with me. I couldn't
>> have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to
>> mug us again. I took the liberty of calling your mother, or
>> "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her
>> your situation. I also bought myself some gas on your card. I
>> gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go
>> Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet, then I threw the
>> wallet itself in a dumpster.
>>
>> I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell. They'll be
>> on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones. Alltel
>> recently shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a
>> little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that.
>> I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service. I was about
>> to make some threatening phone calls to the DA's office with it.
>> Oh well.
>>
>> So, about your pants. I know that I was a little rough on you
>> when you did this whole attempted mugging thing, so I'd like to
>> make it up to you. I'm sure you've already washed your pants, so
>> I'd like to help you out.
>>
>> I'd like to reimburse you for the detergent you used on the
>> pants. What brand did you use, and was it liquid or powder? I'd
>> also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you
>> walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your
>> choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky. If
>> you read this message, email me and we'll do lunch and laundry.
>> Peace!
>>
>> Alex
Quote from: carbonc_cc on February 04, 2009, 02:43:46 PM
There are those people who will choose to "live by the sword, die by the sword" in order to keep the government in check. (Republic/Democracy)
The US is probably the LEAST corrupt major government in the world period (regardless of who is President). Why? Because the people control who is in office.
And there is a fairy at the back of my garden who is very liberal with head jobs. (They don't call her the tooth fairy for nothing.)
Dream on.
Hans von Lieven
;D
They are not gonna get my guns.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 05, 2009, 01:16:34 AM
And there is a fairy at the back of my garden who is very liberal with head jobs. (They don't call her the tooth fairy for nothing.)
Dream on.
Hans von Lieven
Well here's a nice pretty chart for you which agrees with my statement. Just incase your too busy with your "tooth fairy" in your back yard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption
The ten countries perceived to be least corrupt, according to the 2007 Corruption Perceptions Index, are Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Singapore, Sweden, Iceland, The Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, and Norway.
Information from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International an international non-government German organization.
IMHO the above are not major governments and here is a source that agrees.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/
I will concede Canada as the least corrupt almost major government (prison bitc* to the US) in the world.
As for government size/power/economic/resources ratio. The US is the leader of many things including civility.
Quote from: wizardofmars on February 04, 2009, 11:41:19 PM
Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
Lets not forget, MORE THAN HALF of the 14.24 ratio is suicide by gun. And in that act, having a gun is just convenient.
Gun suicides outnumber gun homicides. In 1999, there were 16,599 gun suicides compared to 10,828 firearm homicides (National Center for Injury Prevention and Control). Guns were the most common method of suicide (57% in 1999). http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvsuic.html
Just a few months ago, a Wallgreens Pharmacy opened up down the street from where I work and the new manager decided she didn't want to run the place. She stepped out of her car on Interstate 82 and ran in front of a Semi-Tractor trailer. The found parts of her in 4 different vehicles. I guess she didn't have the convenience of owning a gun.
Hi all,
This is something I have thought about in the past. In the UK all guns are banned and you cannot even buy an airsoft rifle without licence from a registered club.
Also our Police do not carry guns because they just don't need to! Imagine that! A few votes have been held in the past about if the police should carry guns and most of the police vote no. They vote no because if they start carrying guns, more and more criminals will carry guns to up the anty and soon we will have shootings all over the place like the USA.
Of course, if you vote to ban guns after it was law to have them in the first place and millions have them it will be very hard to get them all back and of course the criminals will keep them hidden, but you have to start somewhere. In the UK we dont need guns in our homes as there are no guns out there for criminals to use against us as it has always been illegal so they just are not in circulation at all. If there is gun crime it is bank robbery using farmers shot guns as they just cannot get automatic weapons in the country, there is the odd gang shooting too of course...
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: CTG Labs on February 05, 2009, 09:40:28 AM
Hi all,
This is something I have thought about in the past. In the UK all guns are banned and you cannot even buy an airsoft rifle without licence from a registered club.
Also our Police do not carry guns because they just don't need to! Imagine that! A few votes have been held in the past about if the police should carry guns and most of the police vote no. They vote no because if they start carrying guns, more and more criminals will carry guns to up the anty and soon we will have shootings all over the place like the USA.
Of course, if you vote to ban guns after it was law to have them in the first place and millions have them it will be very hard to get them all back and of course the criminals will keep them hidden, but you have to start somewhere. In the UK we dont need guns in our homes as there are no guns out there for criminals to use against us as it has always been illegal so they just are not in circulation at all. If there is gun crime it is bank robbery using farmers shot guns as they just cannot get automatic weapons in the country, there is the odd gang shooting too of course...
Regards,
Dave.
I respectfully disagree.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576406/28-gun-crimes-committed-in-UK-every-day.html
The crime may look to be tapering off, but it will rise again. With Immigration and Recession...crime will rise all over the world.
History will ALWAYS repeat itself. When you disarm the populace, you enable hostile takeover. Rome, Sparta... They fell when the populace was disarmed.
The UK hopes it can curtail crime with technology. Camera's everywhere in the cities, Bobbies with their tazers and other less than letheal arms. Face recognition. All cool stuff that is completely ineffective from an invading force/people/government/mafia. I love the irony in the movie Demolition Man. All I see is a calm before the storm...
So you create laws that say nobody except the gov can carry firearms. YAAAH!. Now you do is create a black market (which by the way will always exist). Plus you disarm the good people making it all to easy to mug, rob, murder.....control
The reality that deranged individuals will always have guns makes gun restriction an unsafe proposition for potential victims...who gave up their guns/protection.
Regards...
I live in the State of Indiana in the U.S. and have a Concealed Carry Permit (CCP). Personally, I am glad that I am able to exercise this right when I feel the need. Once in a while I go on long trips into Michigan (which recognized the CCP from Indiana) and I feel the need to carry my firearm. Some places are just not as safe as others and at least I will have a chance to defend myself if needed. At home my firearms are nearby, safely locked, but available for instant access. I can have it in my hands and ready to use in less than 10 seconds.
The ownership of firearms requires a responsible attitude. I have been through four training courses in the use and care of firearms; two given by local police departments and two given by Certified NRA instructors. I take firearm safety very seriously and just had my 16 year old son go through a 10 hour NRA Pistol Safety Training course. He thought it was very informative and well done.
Gun Control is implemented for future use by Governments. It may not affect you now, but sometime down the line it may be used to tyrannize citizens. It was done in the past in Germany, and could easily be done again. I disagree with those who think only the military and police (and thus criminals too) should have firearms. This, to me, is a foolish surrender of your right to self defense.
Obama is no friend to gun owners. He would take that right away from me in a heartbeat.
Dave,
there was something very sinister in the way all the guns were removed in UK. Of course there was the knee-jerk reaction of the retardted Blair. Freemasons where involved in this plan.
Ofcourse the police has guns available to them but they kill more innocent people than criminals!
Hi AM,
I can see your point, however most guns have always been banned, the banned was just extended to cover immitation and some toy guns as police can't tell the difference in the heat of the moment and people were needlessly being shot. Preventing people from having immitation firearms doesn't prevent people from having a defence (since they are no defence) and prevents the police firearms unit from having to shoot someone who is commiting a crime with an immitation firearm.
Everyone here has valid comments and I think its just a matter or what you are used to. It has always been the law in the US that its your right to own firearms, now if they are taken away you feel insecure. Here they have always been illegal apart from farmers, and so that feels normal to most of us.
Regards,
Dave.
I find it interesting that there are some that don't seem to understand what a "right" really is. Some talk as if a "right" is something that can be given or taken away by a government law if they decide they want to. If it is truly a "right" such as gun ownership, it is something that government has no authority over, because it is a "right". A "right" is part of the rule book that is made for government to obey (called the Constitution) that says that this is an area that is hands off, and government has no authority to make law in this area. A "right" is something that can't legally be taken away from a man or woman by a government because to do so would exceed the authority given to government. A "right" is an area in which government has no authority to make law. If an illegal law is attempted against a "right", it is an illegal and unconstitutional law and has no true legal authority. In other words, it is no law. This is the strength of a "right" that must be understood by those it is intended to protect.
..if there was no government EVERYONE would have a gun or two simply out of self protection/defence..
..it would be a natural *thing*
..once again the gov NEEDS us, but we dont need them, look at nature, it gets on with life just fine until some kind of gov/human gets any where near it.
..how is it the gov wants to take your guns yet they spend trillions on the military and war, and who the hell wants to go to war?...ill give you one guess.
..very interesting times coming very quickly.
..oh and its not going to matter what you say or do or how you protest,there going to use there guns and military on YOU any way.
..look at history. the same bs over and over.
Being someone who is a "Liberal/Progressive Blogger" and pretty well experienced and knowledgeable about the present political situations in the US.. I can say that all this present worry about new federal gun controls is largely unjustified.
That is because enough Liberal/Progressives are now worried about this country turning fascist, having a totalitarian corporatist oligarchy, and losing our Liberties from the constant bogus drum-beat of "homeland security" (a term i despise because it was coined by hitler in 1933). We mostly understand now that having guns is better than not having them; it gives the powers-that-be pause. I know libs who were 6 years ago strict gun control supporters changing their tune and now going out and buying guns of their own. All because of the fears of the government going fascist, rounding us up, and sending us to the closest FEMA "summer camp" ;)
The pressure for gun control from the Left is lower than i can ever remember it being. There is really no way such laws could get through Congress; which should stay that way without significant change for the next 3-4 years if not longer.
Obama cannot pass laws himself. And the NRA is there; very strong and getting stronger.
The only fear then is Martial Law. Well, i own a shovel and so do most gun owners i know ;) If they came for them, they wouldn't get many. So they still would be facing many millions of pissed-off armed peeps if they tried anything too obvious. So as long as the current situation lasts it is a stand-off.
The real worry imo is people walking into tyranny on their own.. The banksters, through their puppet pols, using the economic collapse THEY ENGINEERED & CREATED to scare us into accepting some new deal that allows us to keep our homes and jobs, forgives our credit card debt, lets us keep our retirement funds and pensions in exchange for our freedoms: In exchange for dissolving our Constitution for some new entity like "North American Union". How many would take that trade? Many who would do so, are gun owners, too.
If this thing happens, it won't be by them crashing through our front doors.. It will be by us inviting them in.
@ CTG Labs
Hi dave guns have always been legal in the UK but you had to have a valid use for owning one, you couldnt say its for protection either.
Its not only farmers who can have shot guns you could yourself if you so wished, you would just have to have a valid reason to own one (clay Shooting), then apply for a "shot gun license".
You can buy High powered rifles providing you have a "Fire Arms license" which you can apply for and have land owners permission to use it on and a valid reason (Deer Hunting), also you can buy air guns over the counter at most gun shops with age restrictions ofcourse.
Dunblane was the tragedy that got the government enough public backing to ban hand guns in the UK, they tightened the laws up on other firearms and made it very awkward for you to get them, they impose that many new laws you just feel its not worth it and that is the goal to totally disarm us.
If you think they are taking guns for the health of the people then i believe you are being misslead, they dont care about you its the power they need and a load of American citizens baring arms when they plan on making big changes to your country makes them nervous, they have pretty much disarmed the uk now and push even harder to hand us over to Europe now we cannot fight back, maybe the same is coming for you in the US.
If it was about mortality rates and "protecting" the US citizens dont you think they would sort these deaths out first?.
in the United States
· Annual productivity losses due to smoking deaths: $81.9 billion
· Annual smoking-related health care costs: $75.5 billion
· Economic costs of smoking per smoker per year: $3,391
· Lost productivity and medical care costs for each pack of cigarettes sold in the
United States: $7.18 per pack.
443,000 people die prematurely from smoking or exposure to second hand smoke, and another 8.6 million have a serious illness caused by smoking
Its proven in the UK that banning guns does NOT help reduce gun crime, it is up by 40% since the ban of hand guns over here.
This is how they screwed us over and the US looks like its next... coincidence?. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1rBDKNn0lM&feature=related
Chad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2QFzr7nj_I&feature=subscription
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKBn6BQEQJE&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5pq49RoLhw&feature=subscription
According to the NRA, that particular rumor is completely wrong.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4430
You gotta be careful here: There is a very large attack going on about anything Obama does. Most of these accusations have no more reality to them than this one did.
There are many screwed-up and dangerous things going on: It's important that we help people hear about them... And generally i applaud what you are doing.
But we must be sure about our data or we are easily discredited. When you hear about this stuff: First give it about 2 days to percolate through the 'web. Then do a google search on it. Always look at what the Debunkers say!
We know what the problem is: We cannot trust the mainstream media to tell us these things. So many things will not easily be verifiable. Yet something like a Congressional bill is finite and verifiable. And it is common sense: The Republicans were pulling every trick they had on this bill.... They would certainly have capitalized on a gun control provision and yelled about it loudly. Lol, they found tiny little mentions about rats and other weird stuff in it, they would have found that.
And remember: Any bill that contradicts the Constitution can be automatically nullified ("Struck Down") by the Supreme Court. They are tilting towards the "conservative" side now, and so are "pro-guns". This could change in the future; but not until one of them on that side dies or retires. The stuff that was really dangerous towards the Constitution that Bush did was by "Presidential Signing Order", not really Law.... So the Supreme Court could not revoke it as Unconstitutional until a case involving it came before them (lol it doesn't make sense but there it is). With a Law passed by Congress, they can nullify it any time if it is in opposition to what the Constitution says, and such as law as they were claiming would be considered Unconstitutional by this present court.
I like Alex Jones. But remember he is wrong A LOT (as much as Rush Limbaugh is lol). He gets a little excited about stuff and goes off on tangents, "forgets" to get his facts straight first. Remember he is also there to make money; to be an "entertainer" and get ratings. This was perfect "Rant" material to help him make his general points (...except that this time it was completely bogus lol).
it's hard to find a silver lining in getting rid of guns after watching this video.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/564.html
tom
tbird:
Excellent video man. I sent the link to all of my friends. Very good video.
Bill
Quote from: b0rg13 on February 03, 2009, 12:40:22 PM
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=7vp7f1QKYmg
In Australia the crime rate went up after their disarmament.
This is what happened in England http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
If those of you that are against Guns for whatever Reason maybe they should prohibit you from driving a Sports Car that because of its Speed can or is more likely to Kill?
If you were a Criminal (and maybe you are) would you break in to someones House to ra*e the Misses knowing that the household is armed?
Maybe something drastic like that needs to happen to you before you realize that Guns can be used for defensive purposes.
A few years ago they did an experiment in the U.S. cant remember exactly where but one State people were required to have a Firearm where the Neighboring State was prohibited. Guess were all the Criminals migrated to?
Wake up or is it already too Late? Yes we have strict Laws in Canada and only Shiks can wear long Knifes and swords !
SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2007
Scenario :
Jack goes rabbit shooting before school,
pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his rifle & chats with Jack about guns.
2007 - School goes into lock down, Star Force called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his gun again.. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
Scenario:
Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police called, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it. Both children go to anger management programs for 3 months. School board hold meeting to implement bullying prevention programs
Scenario:
Robbie won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1957 - Robbie sent to office and given 6 of the best by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Robbie given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. Robbie's parents get fortnightly disability payments and School gets extra funding from state because Robbie has a disability.
Scenario :
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.
Scenario :
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark gets glass of water from Principal to take aspirin with.
2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario :
Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. AFRE files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Scenario :
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a bullant nest.
1957 - Ants die.
2007- Star Force, Federal Police & Anti-terrorism Squad called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, Feds investigate parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated. Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario :
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in Prison. John ny undergoes 5 years of therapy.
Think about it!
Obama seeks assault weapons ban in the US to protect... :o MEXICO :o
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90096
Oh brother!!!
Maybe Mexico needs to build a wall to protect Mexico from the US!!!! ;D LOL!!!!
@ RR:
Thanks for that article......this guy (Obama) is going way too far here. The major problem is what he considers an "assault" weapon and what we consider one are 2 totally different things. I have heard he considers semi-auto pistols assault weapons......so.... here we go.
They won't ever get my guns from me.....they can try....but I would not recommend it.
Bill
Absolutely no gun should be restricted...particularly when your government is building internment camps and manning them with foreign troops.
Regards...
Quote from: wizardofmars on February 04, 2009, 11:41:19 PM
If the US situation with firearms is such a good idea, why does the US have such a huge firearm fatality rate? Regardless of the cause (accident, suicide, crime or self defense) the US is the world leader in firearm fatalities.
The Australian government banned most firearms in the mid 90's after a gunman killed 35 people. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
America might have the largest gun related death rate but when it comes to just killing people were a little down the list. I think in some countries a person can be murdered and it doesn't show up in their statistics.
Some of the hand gun deaths in America are at the hands of people defending their property or life. I don't know if your stats include people that are shot by authorities.
Bessler007
source:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
(You might want to read the section on the powers of congress,and the President)
Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
(This doesn't say anything about assault weapons,in fact it doesn't even say "guns" it says ARMS, to me that means ANY ARMS.)
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
(Notice that Amendments 1 through 10 don't give congress any powers)
Amendment 13 - Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865.
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
(This was included in this post to show some amendments give congress specific
powers.)
Bar to Federal Action
The Bill of Rights was understood, at its ratification, to be a bar on the actions of the federal government. Many people today find this to be an incredible fact. The fact is, prior to incorporation, discussed below, the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states. This is, however, quite in line with what the Constitution was originally designed to be: a framework for the federal government. In other words, though the federal government was banned from violating the freedom of the press, states were free to regulate the press. For the most part, this was not an issue, because the state constitutions all had bills of rights, and many of the rights protected by the states mirrored those in the federal Bill, and many went further than the federal Bill.
(The way I read the Constitution, Congress has NO authority to make ANY laws
in respect to the Bill of Rights.
And the President has NO authority to make ANY LAWS Period.
Many of our Gun rights have already been infringed, but were done so
Unlawfully.)
Bessler:
I disagree with one of your questions. That chart says "Murder" and therefore any deaths by cops or citizens defending themselves should NOT be included in those figures. Most likely they are included and should not be.
When they (anti gun folks here in the USA) talk about "children killed by guns" you would think that is what they mean....but, come to find out, they include ALL of the gang killings and drive-by shootings in these figures even if the gang member is 25 he is still called a child for these statistics. Interesting chart though, good to see.
Bill
ive been thinking about this *gun* thing/debate/problem,.. to ban or not to ban....i think the answer would be very easy....
..EVERY one hand over your guns, and watch what happens next ;)
( on the opther hand , maybe if you look at what has happened on other countries where there guns have been taken.....or not even had in the first place,..umm like korea just for one example..what happened....stuff to ponder ).
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 27, 2009, 12:07:00 AM
Bessler:
I disagree with one of your questions. That chart says "Murder" and therefore any deaths by cops or citizens defending themselves should NOT be included in those figures. Most likely they are included and should not be.
When they (anti gun folks here in the USA) talk about "children killed by guns" you would think that is what they mean....but, come to find out, they include ALL of the gang killings and drive-by shootings in these figures even if the gang member is 25 he is still called a child for these statistics. Interesting chart though, good to see.
Bill
Hello Bill,
The stats I posted were those of murder. Most likely self defense isn't included.
My question related to wizardofma's stats and is answered with this quote from them:
Quote
If the US situation with firearms is such a good idea, why does the US have such a huge firearm fatality rate? Regardless of the cause (accident, suicide, crime or self defense) the US is the world leader in firearm fatalities.
I think the real point I was trying to make is people all around the world murder. In Rwanda a million people died but not by guns. They were hacked to death with machetes. Gun ownership is a complex issue.
I know we have serious weaponry at MIB HQ but you can trust us. :) We only sanction trouble makers.
Bessler007
@ Bessler:
Ah, ok, I understand now....thanks.
Bill
Not surprisingly the gay sex accusations are against Obama are starting to add up...which is normal.
Ordinarily I just read the information and move on...only now, one of his purported lovers turned up dead - and another admitted lover is filing an Affidavit connecting Obama to the murdered choirmaster of Obama's former church...and is also suing him, and reportedly will be revealing identifying 'private' features which he was in the appropriate position to observe.
More here...
http://bigheaddc.com/category/donald-young/
Regards...