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Hi All,
as this board tends to be going more and more into political things
and many users over here have different political views,
the debates often heats up much over here and there were started many
flame wars, where users call each other names, etc..
although they maybe have the same view for the need
of free energy.

So the question is, if these political topics just disrupt this forum
too much and these topics are better discussed in other special political
forums, or if we should have this also over here, but causing trouble between
different users...

So I start this poll now to let you the users deceide:

Should we keep this board: We can´t live without the truth ?

If most of the votes will be negative in about  a month from now.
I will make it read only ,so people have time to download
the threads and then close this boards afterwards.

So now it is your decision to tell your opinion about this.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

We have had this problem on an audio board I belong too. It just got so bad with name calling etc. so a political forum was made. No political posts were allowed in the other forums. It has worked out beautifully. Even the political forum itself has calmed down. Unless you ban all political posts I think this is the best option. Plus in my opinion it wont drive away new folks who visit the board.

Allow me to be one of the first to comment.

Firstly...of all the flame wars here...most have occurred on threads other than the so called political threads...which by the way are not political in nature, but are actually anti corruption.

Political threads would be threads which promote one political party or the other...we have progressed beyond that here.

I know of one member in particular who expressed to me that the information I posted in my non partisan threads had changed his view on the motives of all politicians.

The real problem we have here is cyber bulling tactics and disruptive troll activity, from likely paid disinfo agents or juveniles with no direction in life.

To remove this category plays into the hands of all suppressors of truth...the very same people who have suppressed alternative energy devices or many decades.

So my vote is to keep the category.

It would be a mistake to let the actions of a few, dictate the direction of the forum, and negatively affect the great majority of members here who have achieved a comfort level among one another rarely found on internet forums.

Regards...

I should also add that only the votes and opinions of clearly established member be counted...for obvious reasons.

This is not to cast new members in a negative light...just that forum disruptors frequently use new accounts to make them look like they are many, when it is usually one or two acting alone.

Hi folks, Cap-z-ro you took the words right out of my mouth. The information you in particular post is to highlight the illusion they have created which they call politics among other things and it would appear some are still under the spell of this illusion. Is it not ironic that the very thing that is partly responsible for the masses not having access to free energy devices that being fake democracy or so called politics and other oppressive systems and i should say democracy by the way is mob rule which aint good even if it were being adhered to which it is not, just in case the 51% wake up. So Hartiberlin if you still think all these other systems in this world have no relation to free energy devices and their distribution to humanity then you need to do more research, however i do think you already know the truth. And if you know the truth then why are you clinging to mob rule style models 'aka democracy' to decide the fate of your forums. Anyway i think its your choice Hartiberlin and no others, so choose wisely.

peace love light

You are so right about democracy SkyW.

People have been conditioned to believe that democracy equates to freedom...when its just the opposite.

For example most Americans will tell you they live in a democracy...when in reality the countries founders had their fill of democracy in Europe...and founded a Constitutional Republic...where 999% of the people cannot infringe on the personal freedoms of 1% of the population, as in a majority rules democracy.

But criminally insane war whoring sociopaths have taken over the country through a corrupt banking system which they instituted, and run the country by a democratic process on the surface, but rule behind the scenes using totalitarian Empirical principles.

The old bait and switch trick when nobody's looking.

Regards...

I think having the ability to post the truth on this site adds to its credibility.   If the truth could just be squelched as in the mainstream media this site should be government owned and operated. 

I’ve heard that a democracy works if 3 wolves and a sheep vote on what’s for supper only if the sheep is heavily armed.

its a liability as far as I'm concerned..

But then... this whole site is likely looked at dubiously by TPTB

So... I dunno... I guess it doesnt matter - And as far as having its own section - i dont think it interferes with our research efforts etc..

Quote from: "url=http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7215.msg170342#msg170342]hartiberlin in ~Should we keep this board: "We can't live without the truth." ?~[/url]"]
If most of the votes will be negative in about  a month from now.
I will make it read only ,so people have time to download
the threads and then close this boards afterwards.

So now it is your decision to tell your opinion about this.

Humans can not live without truth
equally as they can not live without unlimited own posts editing time.

Allow unlimited own posts editing
if you really wish to know the truth from Humans.

Otherwise your decisions will be based on monkeys' votes,
who can surely live both without the Truth
and without the board ~We can't live without the truth~.

It is exactly the democratic principle.


And reply to ~Gri to Hartiberlin~ (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3789.msg65184#msg65184) gritoadmix please..
to have a dialogue without monkeys' replies there.

I vote to keep it.

I won't say that I seek out these types of news (it's depressing), but the only reason I think I can get away with such lax behavior is that there ARE some people looking out for these news items to prove that I can't keep this attitude.

Gov't can't be trusted.

History has proven that no gov't is prefect, and that quite a few prey upon their own citizens.

While a few of the news items that are posted may be quite slanted, not all of them are.
To be a well informed citizen we need to know these things and most news outlets are NOT reporting on them.

Keep the forum topic.
Those that complain about it will be the same people that will say "How could this happen right under our noses!" about a horrendous political action like those posted in this area.

Personal responsibility is the key.
No one makes you read, do they?

Hi all,

A "General Interest" section might be more appropriate than "We can't live..." and "News" included in there.

The problem seems not so much about these sections as that people carry a grudge against another to other part of the forum. People get branded as deniers or fanatics and they get personal attacks in other parts by the same people they disagree with. Anything they bring forward gets knockout.

A separate section "FE/OU News" in a separate section along one like "What's new in science".

So my vote is "Yes" we keep them but with strict rules.

Take care,

Michel

Humm ...... We can´t live without the truth ?

The truth can mean different things to many people, what is the threshold of truth and measured by what standard, to some evidence without a shadow of a doubt, good enough for conviction, winning or loosing a case in a court of law maybe public opinion. To some all one needs is a paragraph from a obscure web site or possibly information never seen published in a new book for sale to make a opinion. The problem with the truth is what may lye beneath, is it important, will it really change your life or someone else's or is it a mute subject just waiting for anyone to respond to and someone always will regardless of the subject matter. Can we live without it, depending on what it is some things we do daily it's out of our control, but if it's genuine and provable with a standard "high" threshold of truth one would be doing a injustice to society in not reporting what is known or important.

What do you need to form a opinion, and is the standard you require being conveyed here on this board, or is it a mute subject waiting for anyone to respond to for negative reactions.

Regards,
Fuzzy
:)

Thanks Stefan for putting this vote up.
As the title of this forum says:

"Welcome to OverUnity.com
The International open source free energy research forum",

This already indicates that this is a community that tries to solve the global energy challenge. Most of the members have technical interest and want to discuss their ideas on how to solve energy waste. There are really brilliant people here contributing.

It's a forum, so discussion should be central.
But it seems that there are a small number of people that can not cope with disagreements and some general rules on how to respect each others opinions. These people use foul language, insult others and in most cases pollute discussions rather than contribute to possible solutions.

Now, since this forum has become significantly large, it's time that some full-time moderators guard and ban the behavior of such dissidents.
If you can't afford that, then I advise you to limit the scope of this forum to retain the quality of it.
I understand your dilemma, the more users the more income from advertisements, but it's best to go for quality here.

That is why I voted "NO" to keep the "We can´t live without the truth ?" part of this forum.
Practice showed that this attracts people that want to focus on all kind of social problems, politics etc.
It's best that these people go to forums where social problems, politics and alike topics are the main stream purpose. In that way both types of people avoid each other and will mostly contribute in a positive way.

QuoteIt's best that these people go to forums where social problems, politics and alike topics are the main stream purpose. In that way both types of people avoid each other and will mostly contribute in a positive way.

Such compartmentalized thinking is what has enabled the beast to grow as large as it has.  It much prefers to keep everything in it's assigned box.  Institutionalized science got where it is today by just such sterile loyalty to neutered ideals.  That such research as shared here is inextricably intertwined with weighty matters of both a societal and political nature, should not and cannot be ignored.

Afterall, one only need log on to any of the prolific brain drains in the form of university style physics and energy forums to see the stale fruits of such efforts at sanitization.

That Stefan suffers the forum to endure all manner of gross incivility, however, is quite 'off putting'.

I am all for the encouragement of civilized expression, and as well, the censure of wanton disrespect for fellow man. 


TS

Michelenho made an interesting suggestion.

" A "General Interest" section might be more appropriate than "We can't live..." and "News" included in there. "


That would not be a bad idea...before some corrupt bullies in power lit the fire of truth under me, I was always known for my humor...I would love the opportunity to exercise humor muscle here, to provide some balance to the harsh realities of our society which I post up here.

The votes and opinions of people who enter the threads of others ordering (cyber bullying) them to leave the forum, and then whining like children when outed and appropriately labeled for their abhorrent behavior are not to be considered to be an honest opinion.

Regards...

Let's stick to what we are here for.

We don't have the traffic handling capacity. That is why we get poor response times and this:

"Connection Problems
Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later".

We also need some moderation, and suspensions for people who are gratituously offensive. There are several and we know who they are. They cause problems and may threaten the future of this web site.

 I mostly do not read those posts because they are depressing. They do not have an equal amount of good news so they are just there to exploit the negative side of life. I do not thrive on bad news,if anything it is very distracting. There will always be bad people in every corner of the world but they are the few. Most people are fairly harmless and just want to exist and have a direction. Exploiting the criminal aspects of life to often desensitizes the public and makes the behavior almost acceptable.
   It's hard to be outraged over the sun coming up each day. With out knowing it the frequency of bad news actually works against the intended reason for reporting it. The global population is far to vast to report on such things with an equal amount of devotion to the positive news.
   It will not effect me either way if you keep or get rid of the "we cant live with out the truth" or not. If reporting this information is an attempt to make a better world it falls so short it's progress is retarded to a reversal of impact. The only real way to effect change is to actually change and do so with the same amount of public exploitation to show the benifits of the change. Instead the people who focus on the negative only increase their own stress and shorten their own lives.
   I cant breath with my head in a full bucket of crap fortunately i have enough sense to not need to try it to find out, much less a need to do it on a daily basis. I can be aware of the bucket with out sticking my head in it.
   
   

On the other hand...if somebody places a bucket of crap in your living room, it might be a good idea to find out who is responsible...particularly if the keep adding more crap to it, and it is over flowing onto your carpet and stinking up the whole house. ;D

i say keep it.

i have learned allot from this section of the forum and i feel it should stay but i do think it needs moderating better.

Not moderating to to the point of removing peoples views but to remove personal insults and childish behaviour.

When a member steps over the line his post should be edited and a warning given to keep it civil, if he/she doesn't listen then action should be taken against the "individual" not the whole section!.

As long as people keep their political views confined to this section i think it should stay.

Chad.

I feel that this category needs to stay, it adds credibility.

If you stifle the truth, what else may be stifled.......do not stifle the truth.

..... 8)



.........pssssst........Konarka,.......we are coming.

This is and has been a large turn off for me here.  I have been reading here for 3 years and did not join this forum primarily because of this side of it.  I as an American am very tired of being called a dumbass by ignorant people.  When I saw people here starting to hurt themselves with devices that they don't understand I felt I had to join.  But now my computer is attacked every time I come here and I am still being called a dumbass for not believing the same stupid crap the rest of you do.  What place has a politically oriented blog got on an overunity technical site in the first place I vote to boot it out of here, and look at the numbers, very few people read this crap here anyway I don't see it as any big loss.

I don't see why we should not have a section in the forum that deals with ideas other than FE. I mean all of us live in a real world and have real concerns about freedoms, pollution, war and so forth. There is nothing wrong with having a space for airing some ideas and observations.

No-one is forcing anyone to read the political threads, so if you don't like it don't go there.

My vote is keep it going.

Hans von Lieven

The only problem this forum has can be attributed to trolls...and the worst "flame wars" occurred in other sections...and not the section on the chopping block.

To me this appears to be a kneejerk reaction to something that occurs in all sections of the board from time to time.

Ergo, I fail to see the logic in this poll...except to appease the very person who caused the latest problem.

Regards...

My two cent is
that it is by far easier to build a Overunity-device than
getting "mental unity" beetween people.

What is happening to the world, if you make it the gift of a BlackBox
with a plug serving free electricity?
Is it really a gift, or will you destroy the world further with free-energy?

Such  a BlackBox is like dropping a bomb to our civilisation.

So my conclusion is, that it is more important to well consider the consequences
before releasing such a device and therefore this board is very important for FE-Researchers,

BTW. Offering 10.000 for an Overunity -Device is not very clever.
Instead, you should support practical experimenters like a bursary (stipendium?) with the funds
and the community decides, which project should get the financial support.



Best,
sushimoto

If the site was structured so that one had some control over what was presented to them
on the Home or Forum views, then I'd say yes, have any type of board. But when you come
here to participate in OU research and discussions, you have to scroll/search through the
pages to get to what's of interest to you.

Ideally one could 'subscribe' to boards and have the Home and Forum pages reflect your
current interests. That way subjects stay in sight and remain topical longer before they
fall off the edge until the next person digs through the boards and discovers them.

Then there's the bandwidth problems, and the lack of moderation to deal with the issues
that arise with everyone bringing all their toys into the same sandbox.

We're losing good people and good OU ideas and collaboration because of all the above.

So at this time I vote No, but have no problem with Yes later if the site gets a better structure
to handle non OU boards.

tak

My vote is to shut this section down, most of the posts in
this section are made by crazy people that don’t have any
idea what the truth is.
This website should be devoted to energy and that’s it.

A few words of wisdom:

Quote
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
-- Noam Chomsky

Take care all,

Michel

This forum should be devoted to freedom of expression
on energy related issues.
Give us a break take your trash somewhere else.

Who the hell is Norm Chmsky?

Other words of wisdom...

QuoteWhen lie is truth and ignorance is bliss, the World we live in is in a sorry state of Mind.
Unkown author.

Take care,

Michel

Quote from: brian334 on April 11, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
T
Who the hell is Norm Chmsky?

Noam Chomsky - a philosopher; find information in any browser, also in Wikipedia
My vote is NO for any board different than "Overunity" at this site.
Aside of this I feel there is a need to establish some rules to save some space since the site grows gradually to enormous sizes; it's pretty hard to find pure science among idle talks:
No talk of idle talks. Only as much as possible themed ones which bring something into the knowledge.
Don't cite whole posts unless absolutely necessary.
Its nice to get holiday wishes but it's unnecessary in any specialized forum; there is so many holidays established around the whole world that for all eager guys it would take lot of space of a forum for every day of the year.Just save space of this precious forum

Regards,
Marek.

Thr ewason we do not have access to free wnergy is because of a corrupt system of finanance any poletics.
I Thank people who are vigilant and post their findings on this site.

We should keep "We cant live with out the truth"
Yet, we should get rid of plants who cleary can be identified as the supporters of the status quo.

The bookmark I have for this site takes me straight to the list of forums.  From there I choose the sub-forums I want to read.  If I'm not interested in a subject listed there, I don't go to it.  As simple as that.   

So, there is no problem for me with the way things are at the moment.  I think Harti does a good enough job moderating here and I don't see the need for other moderators.  I would prefer it if some people moderated themselves more, but I don't expect they will or demand that they do.  I've been reading these forums almost every day for the last three years or so and Harti's been able to deal with the truly disruptive members well enough.  I've seen too that when you don't feed the trolls with reactions they do indeed go away. 

This 'truth' section of the forums was started because the 'news' section was being over-run with 'truther' subject matter at one point.  I thought at the time, and still think, that was a good move.  The 'news' section should only be about devices and discoveries and anything else off that topic should be moved to it's appropriate sub-forum or deleted. 

But that move obviously wasn't enough for some people.  They don't want the presence of this subject-matter anywhere on this site.  Unfortunately for them, because it is the truth, as a lot of people choose to see it, it won't go away.  This section can be closed, but the subject-matter will just turn up in the news section again, or in any of the other sections during the natural exchange of ideas and expressions.

I remember when this site didn't have sub-forums for all this extra stuff, and when they started appearing I must admit I was aware that the whole site would now be seen by some in a different way.  However, I wasn't concerned about the 'image' this site presents to new users or passers-by, because I know for a fact that despite the site being almost purely about free-energy science and research and experimantation, it was seen even then as a place for loonies and crazy-talk.  In fact I first came to this site from a link put up by someone on another site telling everyone there to check it out as they wouldn't believe what the crazy people here were on about.   

You want legitimacy for free-energy research?  There's only one way.  Make or devise a free-energy device or system.  Until then it's impossible and we're all nuts, according to 'normal' people, for even thinking it can be done or for thinking about it at all.

About the relevance of this sort of 'truther' information here.  It's part of facing up to the consequences of ones actions.  If you're actively researching free energy or trying to create free energy devices without looking into or considering the consequences should you succeed, you really are being irresponsible.  There's no other way to put it.  And you must understand that while some people will consider the possible consequences and decide they'll be negligible, others will decide they'll be dire. 

Actually that gives me an idea.  One way to justify the presence of this subject-matter would be to change the name of the 'We Can't Live Without The Truth' forum to 'Truth And Consequences'.  This way it can be the focus for discussions about the personal and global implications of free-energy implementation.  We already have lots of examples here, from those who believe we're up against a global conspiracy to stop free-energy implementation, of what one might encounter.

It seems natural to me too that if one sees the need for free-energy one would ask oneself how it is that we've come to be in such a position of need.  This sub-forum is full of people trying to answer that question, and trying to come to terms with the answers they're finding.  And while there are obviously differing opinions on how we find ourselves in this situation, and what that situation even is, I don't see why that shouldn't be open for discussion here.  It is relevant.



     

Amen, Ahura.

It is interesting that one of the comments stated that the reason for voting "no" was that the people posting here "don't know the truth".

As most of us know, "Truth" is a very subjective word... It is nearly always, in political matters especially, really "opinion".

"Consensus Opinion" is what has helped to make this world what it is now. If opinions are expressed here that are not "consensus" i can hardly see how they can hurt things worse than they are now on this planet ;)

And yes, there are clear correlations imo between what is happened for the last 100 or so years with Energy and technology, and what has happened to our society in general. For this reason, a separate section here is justified. There is "overlap" for those who believe that the current energy paradigm is tightly controlled by and for the advantage of the energy cartels and international banking system.

It is a very easy thing to change your link for this site to the main Index (http://www.overunity.com/index.php), Scroll down, and then simply skip over any comments seen on the list that are in this section.

One thing i have noticed over the years is that many people tend to get very upset if their world-views are challenged. This is human nature to an extent, but understand than many people believe quite strongly that our world-views desperately need shaking up... That they have been carefully formed over many years for a specific purpose.. And it is an inherently "bad" purpose. If some of these ideas you see here do upset and anger you, think about this: Words are just words on a page. Thoughts and ideas cannot be "dangerous"; only the acceptance of them over others is. Are you worried that you may accept them? To show agitation over the exchange of ideas does not do you credit: In fact it points out to anyone watching a certain lack of confidence in your own beliefs; that manifests in anger and denial; which differs from normal and perfectly acceptable "disagreement" by the presence of the strong emotion.

Debate the concepts if you disagree; or if it's not worth your time, just skip it.

But racist and overly divisive comments and subjects (such as use of the word "zionist" for example) should always be removed immediately: They do no good and serve only to inflame or turn-off the maximum amount of people (...and i often wonder that perhaps that is the point of them).

Surely a monkey is not able to check the ~Ignore Board~ box
in her Modify Profile -> Ignore Boards Preferences

which is being added by Ignore Boards mod for smf forum -

but it does not mean that an Administrator
should not give the primates
a chance to become a little more human.

Similar to as I am still giving a chance to an Administrator.

Am I totally missing something here?

If people don't like this one sub-forum on this site that is composed of many, many forums. Then why don't they just NOT go to that one sub-forum that they do not like and just ignore it and only go to the categories that they want to read about?

Why should a few whiny, immature little bltches spoil an open and lively forum for the rest of us who are NOT intellectual cowards and who have no problem discussing controversial issues?

This will be a great blow to freedom worldwide if these cowards win.

Free energy goes hand in hand with free speech.

Well said!   ;D

Hans von Lieven

Quote from: "url=http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7215.msg170764#msg170764]Yortuk Festrunk in ~Should we keep this board: "" ?~[/url]"]
Free energy goes hand in hand with free speech.

The monkeys do not feel what is a Grivitational Energy of Free Speech
because they can easily shutdown Humans
on the mojority of forums where a primate near the admin panel
takes decision on the base of arithmetical summary of monkeys' votes.

Hence in any case Humans should continue searching free hostings
and install free smf forums
with ~Dialogues with Admin~ boards
to have defended dialogues ~Human on Human~.

As well as ~Primate on Primate~..

Quote from: Yortuk Festrunk on April 12, 2009, 03:15:38 AM
Am I totally missing something here?

If people don't like this one sub-forum on this site that is composed of many, many forums. Then why don't they just NOT go to that one sub-forum that they do not like and just ignore it and only go to the categories that they want to read about?

Why should a few whiny, immature little bltches spoil an open and lively forum for the rest of us who are NOT intellectual cowards and who have no problem discussing controversial issues?

This will be a great blow to freedom worldwide if these cowards win.

Free energy goes hand in hand with free speech.

Thats exactley what i was going to say ;D

yep well said mate ;)

Quote from: Yortuk Festrunk on April 12, 2009, 03:15:38 AM
Am I totally missing something here?

If people don't like this one sub-forum on this site that is composed of many, many forums. Then why don't they just NOT go to that one sub-forum that they do not like and just ignore it and only go to the categories that they want to read about?

Why should a few whiny, immature little bitches spoil an open and lively forum for the rest of us who are NOT intellectual cowards and who have no problem discussing controversial issues?

This will be a great blow to freedom worldwide if these cowards win.

Free energy goes hand in hand with free speech.

I think you are missing the point.

The site is billed as The International open source free energy research forum and those that are sincerely
serious about pursuing their interests in free energy generally stick to and appreciate the purpose of the forums.

The We can't live without the truth? forum was created in an attempt at mitigating the downward spiral that
topics were taking when 'free speech' invaded them. Vitriol was becoming the most common form of free speech.

It hasn't worked. All it has done is move the clutter from within topics into the Home and Forum listings. It's not an
option of just NOT going to this sub-forum as many people place high value in the efficiency of being able to scan
the FE listings for both existing and new interests.

So your first contribution to this topic is to assume that it's only a few people, and that they are for sure whiny,
immature little bltches, and intellectual cowards who have a problem discussing controversial issues. Not
a very factual, logical, or persuasive argument now is it?

Almost forgot, we're the cowards of the world too, responsible for some great sin yet to be done.

Yes I'm using sarcasm, because there are hundreds of sites out there where one can discuss Truth and Free Speech
all you want, and maybe they might even like your style of communicating.

So my vote remains the same, NO for now because the site can't support it and it's FE purpose, and YES when it can.

tak

My two cents is this:  I am all for free speech and expression, that's great.  I feel that there are many topics that don't belong on an energy site not for the purpose of suppression, but because they have nothing to do with energy.

I have nothing against sports but I also believe a topic about football or basketball or hockey does not belong here either.  Now, if a President of a country outlaws energy research, or some other  energy related event happens, then sure, it would make sense. Otherwise there might be topics on coin collecting, stamp collecting, gardening, etc.  Great topics just not related to what I thought we were discussing here at Overunity/Free Energy.  Just my thoughts.  I say keep it energy related.  As mentioned earlier, no one has to read so it does not bother me other than expending bandwidth on non-energy topics does not seem to make sense.

Bill

Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 12, 2009, 10:01:17 PM
My two cents is this:  I am all for free speech and expression, that's great.  I feel that there are many topics that don't belong on an energy site not for the purpose of suppression, but because they have nothing to do with energy.

I have nothing against sports but I also believe a topic about football or basketball or hockey does not belong here either.  Now, if a President of a country outlaws energy research, or some other  energy related event happens, then sure, it would make sense. Otherwise there might be topics on coin collecting, stamp collecting, gardening, etc.  Great topics just not related to what I thought we were discussing here at Overunity/Free Energy.  Just my thoughts.  I say keep it energy related.  As mentioned earlier, no one has to read so it does not bother me other than expending bandwidth on non-energy topics does not seem to make sense.

Bill

You're right, though I still did vote 'Yes' before I read your post, now I regret it  :(

Most that is discussed here I a bunch of conspiracies, although they might be true they don't belong here, at least those that is dealing with wars,governments, terrorists, weapons etc.
These topics will probably split people more into groups than uniting our effort to cooperate on the single goal; to release a real Free Energy technology to all of mankind. 

Quote from: Nabo00o on April 14, 2009, 07:26:41 AM
You're right, though I still did vote 'Yes' before I read your post, now I regret it  :(

You can correct your vote: Click on the "Remove vote" link to the right of the voting result bars.
You can re-vote again after that.

Hi Nabo00o,

QuoteYou're right, though I still did vote 'Yes' before I read your post, now I regret it  Sad

Most that is discussed here I a bunch of conspiracies, although they might be true they don't belong here, at least those that is dealing with wars,governments, terrorists, weapons etc.
These topics will probably split people more into groups than uniting our effort to cooperate on the single goal; to release a real Free Energy technology to all of mankind.

Those researching OU/FE should have an open mind. Those who don't have an open mind in dealing with wars,governments, terrorists, weapons etc usually act the same facing a new hypothesis and tend to argue day in day out against instead of helping. The promote their agenda only.

Take care,

Michel

Quote from: Michelinho on April 14, 2009, 07:41:14 AM

Hi Nabo00o,

Those researching OU/FE should have an open mind. Those who don't have an open mind in dealing with wars,governments, terrorists, weapons etc usually act the same facing a new hypothesis and tend to argue day in day out against instead of helping. The promote their agenda only.

Take care,

Michel

Michel,

I think each of the researching OU/FE members have open minds. Whether they are willing to share their minds and discussing such off topic subjects in this forum is something else. It's a matter of focus not of non-interest.

Hi

QuoteI think each of the researching OU/FE have open minds.

I really, really, really, really think this is wishful thinking. It is not what I have seen here.

Take care,

Michel

I think, this topic is very important.
Because i can take a lot of information out of it. Such informations, that i can not read an see, because of my usual habbit to whatch the media. Since i feel more and more misinformed and disinformed via TV and newspapers, i dont like to red them. This is part of my protection strategy against any brainwash broadcast.
We cant live without the truth : Is a big help to provide myselve with some extraordinary news.

At the end ,  i ( and everyone else) have to  select all aspect, to make up my mind.

The brainwash Industry i working around us . Thats shure.

helmut

These truth post are filled with untruths.  I do not rely on the conspiracy theory as being how the world is turning.  The forces that are responsible for gravity, sunlight, plants, animals, and water are not as fictional as the scare tactics of the paranoids that are starting these threads. I do pity their confusion but do not except it as being valid as much as say; “the evening news” I must beware of someone saying “this is the real truth or here is all the proof you need to live in as much fear as I do”.  Fear is a harmful human instinct that usually is based in pure confusion.  The people that are pushing this fear and confusion are the ones that are accusing the true leaders among us of doing it.  I would much rather place my reliance in someone out in the open with regular common human flaws than someone living in a closet full of skeletons who are still trying to add as many more as they can.  If you want to scare me with your real truth then post you true name and address with it.  I might then be able to be placed in as much fear as you want me to be.
John Bostick

Yes, sadly I think its true, many people on forums such as these claims the existence of an ancient power or order that is committed to enslave and rule the earth for themselves. The problem is, THEY DON'T KNOW THIS, they assume this, based on plenty of conspiracy materials that they find on the net, but cannot really verify for themselves to be true.

I know there is a possibility that the ***Illuminati*** can exists, but it is hard to prove so, and it isn't really of any importance to any people, even for those researching free energy. If there is one, it is hard to do anything about it, they own the world right!?
But if they don't exists then we have pretty much lived in fear for nothing.

And one word; Cults...... Be aware of them, you'll find plenty of them on the internet, ala youtube.
One such cult goes by the name of EDF (Earth Defense Federation), run by a youtuber called 'Earth's Last Hope'.
He got plenty of followers and is claiming that he is fighting the NWO, the New World Order, which is supposed to be a plan about turning the world into some kind of communism or dictatorship. He also encourages everybody who want freedom to donate money to him via his homepage.


And If there are any EDF's here, tell me what good you have done with the money yet?

hartiberlin
Just have a regular person read the area and ask them what they think. This thread also. I suspect such would allow you to make a decisions to yes or no.

No wonder this site is losing all its best research minds.  >:(

The same people that want to have those sections closed down, are chasing them away.

They don't promote free thinking, they are here to promote their agenda.

They are the Jehovah of research, the Tower Speak of nonsense, the 2 watt light bulbs of science.

They do replications that never work because they lack that same open mind they ask of others.

They lack the logic they want others to have or acquire.

What a sorry state this place has become.

Do not weed out the threads, weed out the trolls, the agents of deception, the yes-men and the brown noses.

Pray for them and kick them out.


Michel

"REVRIN!" -gabby johnson, blazing saddles
and don't forget to toss out those guys that talk science out of one side of their mouth and talk about their imaginary friend out of the other... ;)

The only remedy for the agents of disharmony is for Stefan to grant moderator status to all who start up a thread...trouble makers will soon lose interest and vacate when their attempts to disrupt are deleted.

This will not affect those among us interested in progress and success...the Joule Thief thread being one example.

Regards...

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2009, 03:50:46 PM
The only remedy for the agents of disharmony is for Stefan to grant moderator status to all who start up a thread...trouble makers will soon lose interest and vacate when their attempts to disrupt are deleted.

This will not affect those among us interested in progress and success...the Joule Thief thread being one example.

Regards...

Ah the sweet delicious irony.  We can't live without the truth, but we also cannot live with dissenting opinions.  The truth is what you say it is, right?

I know, I know, the moderation would be used only to delete "disrupting" comments.  But the line between dissent and disruption is not a bright one, I suspect.

QuoteThe only remedy for the agents of disharmony is for Stefan to grant moderator status to all who start up a thread...trouble makers will soon lose interest and vacate when their attempts to disrupt are deleted.

This will not affect those among us interested in progress and success...the Joule Thief thread being one example.

Regards...

Absolutely second, third, and fourth that recommendation.

Though too little, too late....

I believe.

@

QuoteAh the sweet delicious irony.  We can't live without the truth, but we also cannot live with dissenting opinions.

What you are talking about is not dissent, it is sabotage.

Michel

A truth twister unextrordinaire.

He/it or their kind can only invade the threads of others, because no one would bother to open theirs...and everybody knows it, including them.

Regards...

Everybody has their own interests and opinions, we all must deal with it. And this place should be free as in free speech, without any big restrictions or "laws" with the following punishments. Places like this, both forums and wiki's especially are almost solely based on cooperation and idea exchange governed by mutual interests, so should the "laws" be, and only if it is serious enough should a moderator be involved in banning or restriction of any troublesome individuals.

This is also one of the prime reasons to why forums like this can grow to such immense sizes and diversities, which we need.
Its more like, follow your heart than follow the law; do what you think is best community or please 'shut up'  ;)

Nabo00o,

Then why are we having this thread if everybody is so much for free speech? Those who apparently vote no are all for free speech but only if it pleases them.

And why did you want to change your vote from yes to no? Hypocrisy?

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2009, 05:19:20 PM
A truth twister unextrordinaire.

He/it or their kind can only invade the threads of others, because no one would bother to open theirs...and everybody knows it, including them.

Regards...

We all invade the threads of others.  Otherwise there would be no replies anywhere.

Sorry man, what you propose is a slippery slope.  It is human nature to try to oppose that with which you do not agree.  And the most effective opposition is just to delete the post, so the opposition never exists.  I do not trust that power to you or anyone who starts a thread.  Non-biased moderators to remove spam - sure.  But the thread starter is inherently biased toward the position presented, so that kind of power in his hands is a terrible idea.

I am all for honest debate...and not dishonest discourse, meant to create a distraction.

There is a difference you know.

Regards...


This was posted not in reply to the twister above.

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2009, 07:21:45 PM
I am all for honest debate...and not dishonest discourse, meant to create a distraction.

There is a difference you know.

Regards...


This was posted not in reply to the twister above.

"Twister!"  Oh my, do my words trick or confuse you?  I think that I write in a straightforward manner, so I honestly don't know what you are talking about.

One man's honest dissent is another man's trolling.  I do not trust the thread originator to make that distinction.

Heck, if Lawrence Tseung got that ability, his thread would only have his alter egos.  Is that what you want, alter egos talking to each other.  Is that what you really want?  Think carefully.  You may like that power in your hands, but not so much in others.  So why don't we just keep the nukes away from everyone, ok?

*tries flatulence*

Quote from: Michelinho on April 14, 2009, 07:18:30 PM
Nabo00o,

Then why are we having this thread if everybody is so much for free speech? Those who apparently vote no are all for free speech but only if it pleases them.

And why did you want to change your vote from yes to no? Hypocrisy?

I hope not! I think it was because I realized that too many subjects not related to this site at all would be popping up there, but as a final decision, as some really would like to have it there, I think it should stay the way it is.

To talk about the truth is not the same as knowing the truth, I won't take for granted anyones confirmation on it.
But we must learn to trust each other, the collective strength of a united community can so absolutely cross borders previously though unbreakable!

Remember, we must always place the goal before the means, and NOT the other way around, that's what politics is all about...
This site ain't politics, we've gone pass that, we don't need to persuade each other to think the way want, then to get elected...

A community of free spirited and diverse minds living side by side without restraints to their creativeness, that is what I believe in, and in many ways forums and wiki's are good representatives to the future way we can live together by. My thoughts........

Today, 16th April.  64 voters, split 50/50 for and against, out of 19705 members.  19641 clearly don't care enough about this poll to even know it's here or vote on it.  But I wonder what they'd think of the idea of  32 members determining for all the others, and for everyone, what subjects get deleted here?  Doesn't add up or seem right to me.  Who are these people who feel entitled to dictate to all others what can and cannot be discussed and what is relevant or not?  Who are these people who cannot or will not simply live and let live?  And should they be put in such a position of influence here (or anywhere)?  I'd say not.  That's why I think the poll's a bad idea myself.  I'm not sure why Harti's allowing himself to be influenced by them.  He's obviously got to cover himself legally and can't allow the discussion of things he could get in trouble for hosting, but short of that, let the people speak.  I'm still yet to hear anyone put up a sound reason why this board should be closed.  The relevancy, bandwidth and 'site image' reasons are all debatable and subject to personal opinion.  Just because you don't happen to like it isn't reason enough to ban it, even if you could.  I feel strange even saying this, it's so obvious to me, and it doesn't make sense that it's even an issue. 

I say let the people who aren't voting here, who are the vast majority of members, and who clearly don't have a problem with this sub-forum being here, be the deciders of this poll.  19673 vs 32.  Isn't that logical?

Incidentally, the mind-set of the people trying to close this sub-forum reminds me of that shared by those who try to destroy everything they find offensive or disagreeable, and who are just trouble-makers in this world.  It's reactionary, destructive, parasitic behaviour and if they had their way all or most of us would be dead and they'd be in a living hell wondering why their utopia isn't so utopian afterall.  That, by the way, is why the NWO is doomed and why people are determined to resist them and their ultimatley self-destructive behaviour.  Even if the new world orderers succeed, they lose.  It's just a question of how much suffering they cause along the way to their inevitable end.  Will they mess it up for everyone who just wants to get on with living free to fulfil their mutually respected purposes, or will we all learn to keep those self-destructive tendencies in check? 

*lowers curtain...sweeps up theater...turns out foot lights*

Quote from: lwh on April 15, 2009, 08:30:06 PM
Today, 16th April.  64 voters, split 50/50 for and against, out of 19705 members.  19641 clearly don't care enough about this poll to even know it's here or vote on it.  But I wonder what they'd think of the idea of  32 members determining for all the others, and for everyone, what subjects get deleted here?  Doesn't add up or seem right to me.  Who are these people who feel entitled to dictate to all others what can and cannot be discussed and what is relevant or not?  Who are these people who cannot or will not simply live and let live?  And should they be put in such a position of influence here (or anywhere)?  I'd say not.  That's why I think the poll's a bad idea myself.  I'm not sure why Harti's allowing himself to be influenced by them.  He's obviously got to cover himself legally and can't allow the discussion of things he could get in trouble for hosting, but short of that, let the people speak.  I'm still yet to hear anyone put up a sound reason why this board should be closed.  The relevancy, bandwidth and 'site image' reasons are all debatable and subject to personal opinion.  Just because you don't happen to like it isn't reason enough to ban it, even if you could.  I feel strange even saying this, it's so obvious to me, and it doesn't make sense that it's even an issue. 

I say let the people who aren't voting here, who are the vast majority of members, and who clearly don't have a problem with this sub-forum being here, be the deciders of this poll.  19673 vs 32.  Isn't that logical?

Incidentally, the mind-set of the people trying to close this sub-forum reminds me of that shared by those who try to destroy everything they find offensive or disagreeable, and who are just trouble-makers in this world.  It's reactionary, destructive, parasitic behaviour and if they had their way all or most of us would be dead and they'd be in a living hell wondering why their utopia isn't so utopian afterall.  That, by the way, is why the NWO is doomed and why people are determined to resist them and their ultimatley self-destructive behaviour.  Even if the new world orderers succeed, they lose.  It's just a question of how much suffering they cause along the way to their inevitable end.  Will they mess it up for everyone who just wants to get on with living free to fulfil their mutually respected purposes, or will we all learn to keep those self-destructive tendencies in check? 

Nice post... come on people, vote to keep this forum!  Don't like it.. don't read it.

Suppression?  People, please remember this is an energy forum.

Bill

Quote from: tak22 on April 12, 2009, 07:06:22 PM
I think you are missing the point.

The site is billed as The International open source free energy research forum and those that are sincerely
serious about pursuing their interests in free energy generally stick to and appreciate the purpose of the forums.

The We can't live without the truth? forum was created in an attempt at mitigating the downward spiral that
topics were taking when 'free speech' invaded them. Vitriol was becoming the most common form of free speech.

It hasn't worked. All it has done is move the clutter from within topics into the Home and Forum listings. It's not an
option of just NOT going to this sub-forum as many people place high value in the efficiency of being able to scan
the FE listings for both existing and new interests.

So your first contribution to this topic is to assume that it's only a few people, and that they are for sure whiny,
immature little bltches, and intellectual cowards who have a problem discussing controversial issues. Not
a very factual, logical, or persuasive argument now is it?

Almost forgot, we're the cowards of the world too, responsible for some great sin yet to be done.

Yes I'm using sarcasm, because there are hundreds of sites out there where one can discuss Truth and Free Speech
all you want, and maybe they might even like your style of communicating.

So my vote remains the same, NO for now because the site can't support it and it's FE purpose, and YES when it can.

tak

Your post shows us all that you are the PERFECT example of an intellectual coward.

Apparently, you can't scroll down the main screen fast enough to prevent yourself from being offended by the mere TITLES of threads on the list.

"Oh, boohoo! I just glimpsed a thread title in a sub-forum that hurts my feelings! We need to remove this sub-forum to protect my feelings! HARTI! HARTI! DO SOMETHING! I'M SCARED! MY EYES SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SEE SUCH SCARY THREAD TITLES! I'M TOTALLY UNABLE TO TUNE THEM OUT WHILE LOOKING FOR THE THREADS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT! I'M COMPLETELY INCAPABLE OF DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN WHAT I THINK IS THE TRUTH AND WHAT MAY BE JUST SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION!"

Your sin, along with that of all the other intellectual cowards, is trying to stifle discussion and debate amongst mature people who have no problem with controversy.

Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 15, 2009, 09:12:01 PM
Suppression?  People, please remember this is an energy forum.

Bill

No, this is much more than just an "energy forum". It's about finding, discovering, developing and USING low-cost or FREE energy. And the very same people who have a vested interest in the global energy status quo that makes them incredibly wealthy, are the same people who are discussed in many of the threads in this sub-forum.

This is a gd WAR!

The world is enslaved by these bastards! One of their biggest shackles is the energy that they control that we have to pay for.

Other shackles on humanity are the private bankers that print and control our money; the medical establishment that strings along sick people with their fancy pharmaceuticals that TREAT people but never CURE them.

AND a global, main stream media that is carefully controlled so as to NOT inform people of the truth.

So it is up to US to sort through certain subjects and stories, as scary, stupid or offensive as they might be to some people, to see if we CAN dig up the truth!

Most of the free energy community understands this, already.

We spend enough time and energy fighting these bastards. We don't need to be fighting amongst ourselves.

*reopens theater for encores and curtain calls*

Quote from: Yortuk Festrunk on April 15, 2009, 09:37:12 PM
No, this is much more than just an "energy forum". It's about finding, discovering, developing and USING low-cost or FREE energy. And the very same people who have a vested interest in the global energy status quo that makes them incredibly wealthy, are the same people who are discussed in many of the threads in this sub-forum.

This is a gd WAR!

The world is enslaved by these bastards! One of their biggest shackles is the energy that they control that we have to pay for.

Other shackles on humanity are the private bankers that print and control our money; the medical establishment that strings along sick people with their fancy pharmaceuticals that TREAT people but never CURE them.

AND a global, main stream media that is carefully controlled so as to NOT inform people of the truth.

So it is up to US to sort through certain subjects and stories, as scary, stupid or offensive as they might be to some people, to see if we CAN dig up the truth!

Most of the free energy community understands this, already.

We spend enough time and energy fighting these bastards. We don't need to be fighting amongst ourselves.

I don't disagree with you at all, that is why I am here.  All I was saying is that this forum should be defined by its title and if everyone wants to discuss other themes then maybe the title should be changed is all.  I am not offended by anything anyone writes here, that is not the point.  I, like anyone else, do not have to read it. I only voted no to save Stefan the bandwidth.  There are many topics on here I have no interest in or know anything about, so, that is all cool. I don't read them.  If someone wants to post about how to make beer (I would read that one) that is fine I just don't see the energy forum connection.  We can agree to disagree if you like.  I am just glad Stefan is allowing us the opportunity to discuss this and have input on the forum.  Thank you Stefan.

Bill

Quote from: Yortuk Festrunk on April 15, 2009, 09:15:11 PM
Your post shows us all that you are the PERFECT example of an intellectual coward.

Apparently, you can't scroll down the main screen fast enough to prevent yourself from being offended by the mere TITLES of threads on the list.

"Oh, boohoo! I just glimpsed a thread title in a sub-forum that hurts my feelings! We need to remove this sub-forum to protect my feelings! HARTI! HARTI! DO SOMETHING! I'M SCARED! MY EYES SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SEE SUCH SCARY THREAD TITLES! I'M TOTALLY UNABLE TO TUNE THEM OUT WHILE LOOKING FOR THE THREADS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT! I'M COMPLETELY INCAPABLE OF DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN WHAT I THINK IS THE TRUTH AND WHAT MAY BE JUST SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION!"

Your sin, along with that of all the other intellectual cowards, is trying to stifle discussion and debate amongst mature people who have no problem with controversy.

Wow! You're really hell bent on reading an awful lot of strange shit into what I write aren't you  ???

I seem to be quite enthused about getting OU.com back into a semblance of usefullness UNTIL it
can support other subject areas. Period. No dastardly despicable scum sucking plot here.

tak

Yes. we should keep tihs board.

Hi I'm new here, I like this forum very much, lot's of interesting topics.
I think we should keep this board.
the truth is often hard to find, so lets help eachother with that

what's the truth?

check these one's out

It's Lindsey Williams about the energy non crisis

makes me confused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk

it's 8 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGGjbDjnNzw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q39ic04vhNo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKCyCYz_aHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYmSGwAumk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwMOvV6ctg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5HGHsy3H_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC61X78-OI0

enjoy....... ;)

let's hope we find some free energy before they are gonna fight over that pile of oil ....

I'm trying to replicate one of these pulse or bedini motors overhere
electronics is new for me, but I picked up a lot already here on this forum and by google
got a lot of questions for that though....
right now I got to make a good spool.
well you probably run in to me on one of these boards one of these days in search for renewable energy

Quote from: FluxAmps on April 19, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
what's the truth?

check this one out

makes me confused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk

it's 8 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGGjbDjnNzw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q39ic04vhNo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKCyCYz_aHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYmSGwAumk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwMOvV6ctg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5HGHsy3H_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC61X78-OI0

enjoy....... ;)

Yeah, I think I saw that something like a year ago.
Then I was completely shocked, thinking it probably was the most important video on the net, but now I'm not so sure...
He should have shown some evidence, really its just a long speech but there isn't much else than his words which we have to trust...

Yo Nabo00o,

Yeah it shocked me too, you are right I guess
If it was really truth, there should have been more proof of that by now.
Think you and I were not the only shocked ones
I guess lot's of people have tried to investigate this more deeply
and no proof yet
so probably just somebody who wants to sell a lot of books...

Also I think we lose privacy way to much and way to fast these days

not cool.....

Yes your right, and especially in the United States.
It wasn't until 9/11 that George Bush finally got all the excuses he needed in order to wiretap and secretly control the public, in the case if they assumed someone to be a terrorist. The court did loose much of its meaning at that point, at least in my mind.
Same goes with their "Enemy Combatant" tactics, so that they could arrest and place anyone suspected of being an enemy of the US in military prison, for an unlimited amount of time with no possibility of communication with the outside. Sounds like secret police ala communism right? No it was the USA.

We should all face it, it could happen anywhere.
It is we who must say 'no' when our rights are being threatened.

Quote from: Nabo00o on April 19, 2009, 03:02:35 PM
Yes your right, and especially in the United States.
It wasn't until 9/11 that George Bush finally got all the excuses he needed in order to wiretap and secretly control the public, in the case if they assumed someone to be a terrorist. The court did loose much of its meaning at that point, at least in my mind.
Same goes with their "Enemy Combatant" tactics, so that they could arrest and place anyone suspected of being an enemy of the US in military prison, for an unlimited amount of time with no possibility of communication with the outside. Sounds like secret police ala communism right? No it was the USA.

We should all face it, it could happen anywhere.
It is we who must say 'no' when our rights are being threatened.

Hey Nabo00o,

You might want to check out the United States history ...... like back in the start of WW11 in a place called the Hawaiian Islands, memory has it there was a attack there by possibly some say Japan was involved and there was also around 3,000 Americans killed from what I can recall. If memory serves me correctly shortly there after the attack anyone with heritage from japan were rounded up around the United States and put in makeshift fenced bob wired camps ...... there was one in Oregon at the "Portland Stock Yards" where they transfered cattle and pigs with dirt floors, from what I understand they were there for years ....... like until possibly the war was over I'm thinking about.

Maybe I'm "TOTALLY" wrong about the above statement ...... but I think it's maybe correct. I would think that "any" president of the United States" has possibly some type of authority to protect the citizens and must do something as not to cause more damage to add onto what may have already happened. I would expect something to be done whomever may be in the office of the presidency, republican or democrat.

The president that incarcerated "ALL" the people from Japan in the United States after the possible attack happened, was a democrat "Franklin D. Roosevelt"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

Was this a knee jerk reaction Roosevelt took ..... fair or excessive, did the country survive or point fingers "forever" at what could have been done but wasn't ..... did the country learn from history or not ???

Lindsay Williams is telling the truth...I read a couple of reports that they found oil deposits on mainland USA larger than in the middle east.

If you want to find out where the truth lies, simply reverse everything said by politicians, and you will be on the right path.

Regards...

Well all those involved in the WW II, who at some point or another participated in murdering or invading anyone else shouldn't have been surprised to be attacked themselves.  But war is never about something good and honorable, no matter what your leaders or media says, its always about exploiting the people as a weapon and tool for the leaders own use.
Think, if both sides of the second world war at one point said 'NO', and denied to do their superiors bidding, there would have been no war, and no more killings. If we just stopped killing each other, and tried to accept each of us for who we really are, without prejudging, non of our violent history and future would have been necessary....
But of course it isn't like that, because there is in fact a necessity for the suffering we are used to. 
If we couldn't have experienced the reaction of our own bad choices we would never have learned.
That's also why all of us has to go through a stage of war, depression, sadness, hate and all of those things which we don't like, because without them, we would never have realized how different they were from their opposites.

You can never know true love before you, through your inner subconscious, knows true hate.
Light exists as the opposite of darkness, but we need to be aware of both to really 'see'.

I think war has its mission though. As a form of reaction of many minds on the world who still have no problem killing each other, war is a way for those minds to speed up their "evolution" so to say, because there is already many of us who no longer wants war nor killing.

Lastly, for the open minded, self protection can never justify killing.
If people cared about what Jesus actually told us.... Many "Christian nations" still wages and have waged war on our planet, but is justifiable?
...

I have to disagree...war is a tool used by oppressors to divide and conquer...and has kept us in a technological stone age...making it easier to be exploited.

We can easily find inner truth and peace through meditation...if we ever had the time for introspective  self discovery.

But they keep us dancing to prevent us from finding out who we really are.

Regards...

Thank you for responding.

I know meditation can be good, but it is mainly for those who do not have enough time care for their own psychological health.
Most "normal" people don't need to meditate, at least if you care to stop running once in a while, and reflect a little about your surroundings.
From my view, you will not find any great truth by sitting for an hour each day and think about big questions, or to close your "wake" mind entirely in order to view the other side, in the search for knowledge.

The only and true source of life and wisdom comes from our own interaction with the physical world, by trying to help and do what we can for the best of others.

We will only find enlightenment by realizing the mistakes we so long have thought to be right.

The most important thing of all to realize, is that there is no one other than you yourself who is the source of your faith, or destiny.
We create our own destiny all the time when we make choices in life, the reactions those choices makes will always come back to us sooner or later, but we cannot avoid them.
That is also the main reason to why you cannot buy yourself true happiness. If you did it at the expense of anyone else's happiness then you will also feel same.

Btw, to me, real love and and real knowledge is the same thing.
You have then learned how reality reacts towards you...

All the best : )

Quote from: FluxAmps on April 19, 2009, 01:53:15 PM
Hi I'm new here, I like this forum very much, lot's of interesting topics.
I think we should keep this board.
the truth is often hard to find, so lets help each other with that

if for just one reason, to help the new people with interesting topics,.............ive seen one or two people now and then see past the bs and actually be supprised.....

...its real simple, if you dont like it dont read it.,.......but oneday you might find your self standing on the tracks wanting to know when the train is coming so you can step aside,...you might even have time to warn the person standing next to you.

peace.

Hey b0rg...good to see 'they' dinn't come for you...had me wonderin'. :)

Hey Nabo00o...thats more like it.

We don't need false wars though...that stuff just interrupts the natural course of our journey through life.

More about meditation...it is a tool to help you center yourself...then your brain is open for biznus. :)

Regards...

Quote from: Nabo00o on April 19, 2009, 05:54:30 PM
Thank you for responding.

I know meditation can be good, but it is mainly for those who do not have enough time care for their own psychological health.
Most "normal" people don't need to meditate, at least if you care to stop running once in a while, and reflect a little about your surroundings.
From my view, you will not find any great truth by sitting for an hour each day and think about big questions, or to close your "wake" mind entirely in order to view the other side, in the search for knowledge.

The only and true source of life and wisdom comes from our own interaction with the physical world, by trying to help and do what we can for the best of others.

We will only find enlightenment by realizing the mistakes we so long have thought to be right.

The most important thing of all to realize, is that there is no one other than you yourself who is the source of your faith, or destiny.
We create our own destiny all the time when we make choices in life, the reactions those choices makes will always come back to us sooner or later, but we cannot avoid them.
That is also the main reason to why you cannot buy yourself true happiness. If you did it at the expense of anyone else's happiness then you will also feel same.

Btw, to me, real love and and real knowledge is the same thing.
You have then learned how reality reacts towards you...

All the best : )

Nice post!

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 19, 2009, 08:04:09 PM
Hey b0rg...good to see 'they' dinn't come for you...had me wonderin'. :)

Hey Nabo00o...thats more like it.

We don't need false wars though...that stuff just interrupts the natural course of our journey through life.

More about meditation...it is a tool to help you center yourself...then your brain is open for biznus. :)

Regards...

yeah im still around,..i even pop in now and then and read your stuff,....ive just been a lil busy lately...and im pretty sure most people are happy i havent been posting my * stuff * anyways hehe :).

peace.

I missed your post on my 'dedication thread'...Stefan must have finally axed it.

Was it a funny post or just you laughing ?

Regards...

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 20, 2009, 06:57:35 AM
I missed your post on my 'dedication thread'...Stefan must have finally axed it.

Was it a funny post or just you laughing ?

Regards...

that thread with a poll to boot you ?,...i was just congratsing you on your dedicated fan and recommending you to keep rattleing the cadges ;).
..it wont matter what topic you start here,.... its always going to rip someones panties.

peace

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-force-shot-down-flight-93.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX78zSjnY1s

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 20, 2009, 06:57:35 AM
I missed your post on my 'dedication thread'...Stefan must have finally axed it.

Was it a funny post or just you laughing ?

Regards...

Yes, I deleted it, too many bad language there and no room here for
attacks on users..

yo guys I can only say where there is smoke there is a fire

and i see lots and lots of smoke in our world.....

even if we could clean up a little of this smoke overhere..... would be cool

yo to @ll , something I wanted to share with you, this was in the dutch news today on television

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/miMedia/2007/week25/wo_1930_electronische_ultramotor.avi_plain.xml

electromagnetic from russia on the commercial market, which seem to be pretty eficient!

I know your dutch is not that good, but there is some english spoken in it also.

greetings from amsterdam

still cleaning up my workbench and gathering parts for my first serious bedini try, well give me a few more weeks....

the inventors name was:

vasili sjkondin

a russian guy

nothing to find on @ google or you tube yet


the american investors name:

joe bauman (only gives me a baseball player)

well anyway it was in the news over here today, we are gonna look at some very efficient electro magnetic devices in the near future as a power resource

when you can drive a bicycle from it, you can run something from the size of a nucleair powerplant from it

greetings from beautifull amsterdam

ok when I google on ultra motor i find a lot ;)

http://www.shelleys.demon.co.uk/apr03mot.htm

Okay, voting has ended.

The final decision is 43: 38 to keep this board.

Many thanks.

I just watched the movie

Under Flase flag ( In German language : "Unter falscher Flagge" )

and it is really great movie about the incidents and problems with the
official story of 9/11.

Have a look at it, if you can understand German language:

I urge everybody to share this movie with your
friends and family.
Make copies and redistribute it.

http://nuoviso.tv/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65:unter-falscher-flagge&catid=54:11-september&Itemid=66 (http://nuoviso.tv/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65:unter-falscher-flagge&catid=54:11-september&Itemid=66)

Regards, Stefan.