Danish research scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite found in the WTC dust ( english subtitles )
"
Tonnes of nano thermite used"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o&feature=player_embedded
WTC owner Larry Silverstein infamous "pull it" video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100&feature=player_embedded
More conclusive video evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A&feature=player_embedded
Now...when does the criminal investigation start ?
Lets see if the American people have what it takes (patriotic duty) to stand up for the victims and their country ?
You can forget about your elected officials taking any action.
As soon as they found out the anthrax used by the "terrists" in the "attack" was traced back to a CIA lab, those that weren't in on it got the message loud and clear, and turned tail...
Regards...
Someone once said “there is a fool born every minute†and if the poster and producers of these conspiracy theories actually think that this concept is the truth I suppose whoever said that might partially be right. This is an example of a lie being presented as the truth
..Capt, i am not picking on you lol... In fact i generally applaud what you are trying to do... But the anthrax story is very important in itself and needs to be studied & reported on ACCURATELY m8 ;)
The anthrax was not from the CIA, it was from the U.S. Army's chemical & biological warfare research project, specifically the Edgewood facility in Maryland... Anthrax has a "signature" that can positively identify who created it.
The first guy the FBI went after on this was heavily investigated (he worked at Edgewood), and his name was deliberately leaked to the press (which was very much illegal).... But after claiming that it was a "solved case" for a couple years (...after the hubbub calmed down and interest waned), the FBI admitted the first guy didn't do it at all, and ended up paying him several million in an out-of-court settlement for publicly defaming him and leaking his name.
Then they started blaming another Edgewood employee / scientist.... But this time, the second guy they were blaming died (last year)... And the FBI claimed he committed suicide by eating Tylenol (i kid you not lol). Case closed again ;) . Convenient for them, no?
The anthrax was only sent to Democrats who were opposing the first wave of "Patriot Act" bills in Congress. As soon as this event happened, low and behold: The opposition changed to supporting these bills which clearly damaged our Constitutional Rights, and they flew through easily...With only a few Senators voting against them (such as Paul Wellstone...)
This is all fact, look it up.
Next go look and see what happened to another Senator who strongly and vocally opposed the war in Iraq, Senator Paul Wellstone. His plane crashed under very strange circumstances 3 days after Cheney personally confronted him on the floor of the Senate and threatened him with "very bad things" if he did not change his vote to support action in Iraq (this verified by several witnesses).
Wellstone was also the only Senator who was calling for an independent Senate committee investigation of "911" . Often, when a Senator dies his wife can take over (...depends on the Governor of the State who chooses the successor). Wellstone's wife was a political activist and scholar in her own right.. But she died in the plane crash as well. An FBI investigation team was on the scene of the remote crash site in less than 45 minutes... That is very strange in itself since the flight time from their office was over 1 hour.
The official reason for the crash that was broadcast on the news was "Bad Weather". There were over 100 planes in the air in that general area at the time of the crash: NONE of them reported bad weather,
The pilot of the plane was in communication with the small airport tower (..they were approaching for landing and descending) when the comm suddenly just cut off in mid sentence. Eye witnesses say they heard an explosion.
Senator Wellsone's death also served to change the Senate from Democrat to Republican majority.
Norm Coleman, a Republican who ended up with that Senate seat... A brand-new Senator, was given the job of committee chairman for the Senate investigation into Sen. Wellstone's death... Investigating the death of the person that gave him his seat in the first place. That investigation was of course a joke and addressed none of the above "oddities".
Lol, if you wrote a novel about this stuff, the publishing house editors would say; "It's too unrealistic, make it sound more plausible" ;)
Quote from: johnbostick on April 12, 2009, 10:35:24 AM
Someone once said “there is a fool born every minute” and if the poster and producers of these conspiracy theories actually think that this concept is the truth I suppose whoever said that might partially be right. This is an example of a lie being presented as the truth
a lie? really? you of course have some evidence to back this up? or you're saying i was imagining larry silverstein saying "pull it" when i was watching the news live on 9/11. why is it that no one remembers this interview? and why is it that the ones who do remember it still don't fucking get it?
remote control planes that no people in it, alien entities and all those 'conspiracy' things aside, BUILDING 7 WAS PULLED, it was admitted it on live TV, BY LARRY SILVERSTEIN no less. this is factual and not arguable.
Yeah...I guess you have me there. *scratches head*
How can anyone possibly begin to dispute all the evidence you presented to back up your opinion ? ;D
*shakes head*
I am not saying you were imagining larry silverstien saying "pull it" when you were watching the news live on 9/11, I’m saying I have enough sense to know he was referring to the fire departments rescue efforts being aborted. If you were dealing with facts you seem to have the ability to distort anything to a argument.
Missed your post JGuy...I know you are not picking on me...I know from your postings that you are an ok Guy...just that your BS detector is not as sensitive as mine. :)
Missed your post too Wilby...I saw Silverstein's interview that day too...and I knew whaat was up when the Pentagon was struck a full hour after the first tower was hit.
It seems that the forum is infested with plants...the kind that don't need water.
Regards...
The microexplosive that the first imposter presents is something science hasn’t heard of yet so no one knows about it till now? I would say that the collapse of the WTC is the producer of such highly explosive dusts. Grain elevators explode from dust particles being airborne during being filled, do you thing the USA government causes that? I’m not saying that your not playing with a full deck but I do think your card need to be shuffled a few times.
*guffaws*
Quote from: johnbostick on April 12, 2009, 11:06:14 AM
The microexplosive that the first imposter presents is something science hasn’t heard of yet so no one knows about it till now? I would say that the collapse of the WTC is the producer of such highly explosive dusts. Grain elevators explode from dust particles being airborne during being filled, do you thing the USA government causes that? I’m not saying that your not playing with a full deck but I do think your card need to be shuffled a few times.
so you're saying the WTC was being filled with grain dust?
look, yes grain dust is explosive, seen it happen in my own town. it wasn't grain dust that destroyed any of the buildings on 9/11... so the collapse of the trade towers blew up building seven? or that they demo'd it because the fire fighters had given up? is that what you are suggesting? if so you're an idiot.
let me clarify, grain explosions don't occur in open air, it happens inside a container, like an ELEVATOR... or a BUILDING... so the 'dust' from the collapsing towers WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN COMBUSTIVE, or fields would be blowing up all over the fucking midwest...
He's just a ridiculous troll Wilby...likely paid to play the devil's brain dead advocate.
Else he wouldn't know how to turn on a computer by his comments.
Regards...
Captain your handle is certainly appropriate for your intellect.
John, you can give up trying to argue. I tried before and it is pointless. Truthers come from a standpoint of hating the government. And when someone who really hates the government is given an opportunity to indict the government of the most heinous of offenses, it's just too juicy to pass up.
The irony is the truthers do what government did with the Iraq war. The government was getting all sorts of intelligence in about the WMDs and Iraq. Some evidence indicated that Huessein had WMDs, other, not so much. But what the government did is basically filter just the intelligence it wanted, and that is how we got where we got. Truthers do the same thing. They just look for evidence that supports their claims, and discount all other.
One piece of evidence that I have never seen refuted, and I do not expect it will be here, is this. If we really did have this evil government that did not hesitate to murder 3000 of its own people in this wild plot to drag us into a war or whatever other reason truthers can make up, why are all these amateur websites allowed to persist? Surely, finding out who is behind Loose Change and all that kind of stuff should be trivially simple for an organization capable of flawlessly carrying out the 9/11 fakery. And killing those responsible for spreading the "truth" ought to be no big deal, compared to the thousands of deal already. Why are these people still alive and preaching the "truth?" Surely, some "accidents" and "heart attacks" ought to have happened by now. Maybe some youtube take down notices? Nope, not a one.
Lol "The doctor is in". i love it when they try to use the old "5 cent Psychiatry" gig.... Ad hominem nonsense meant to distract from the fact that no can come up with a viable explanation for Bldg. 7 dropping symmetrically at free-fall speeds within it's own footprint, after only suffering superficial damage and minor fires.
I would submit that anyone who watches those videos of Bldg. 7 dropping and DOESN'T think something very strange went on there, is either "intellectually challenged", or so brainwashed that nothing will get to them. "Motive" ("theirs" or "ours"), viability of any conspiracy theories, whether or not it could be kept "secret", or unsupported comments about mental health of the people reporting the event do nothing AT ALL to change those facts.... So try again ;) . And good luck: i don't envy you guys trying to doll-up that turd.
Meanwhile, 2 months ago, a hotel skyscraper in Beijing, China about the same size as Bldg 7 , burned for over 2 days, with flames over 400 ft. high, and didn't fall at all. Lol, if we got the N.I.S.T. to write a report about why that one did not fall, i guess it might take 50 years to see it instead of over 5 years ;)
NIST was my Customer years ago (...as of course i was their's to get my test equipment 'certed). Several years ago i once traveled to NIST to fix one of their large Gould recording systems: I quickly found that a rat had chewed through the main AC power distribution cable and the electrocuted rat's carcass was still there on the bottom floor of the NEMA cabinet. In over 15 years of doing support on these very expensive lab systems... That really was the only time i saw that, lol. Not a very good sign to me of their competence (all they had to do was remove the back panel of the cab and look inside, or simply SMELL it). They preferred to let others do their troubleshooting, and pest control, for them i guess ;)
Oh well, i billed them $1,200 for the trip and our guys got a good laugh out of it ;)
Quote from: utilitarian on April 12, 2009, 12:21:34 PM
John, you can give up trying to argue. I tried before and it is pointless. Truthers come from a standpoint of hating the government. And when someone who really hates the government is given an opportunity to indict the government of the most heinous of offenses, it's just too juicy to pass up.
The irony is the truthers do what government did with the Iraq war. The government was getting all sorts of intelligence in about the WMDs and Iraq. Some evidence indicated that Huessein had WMDs, other, not so much. But what the government did is basically filter just the intelligence it wanted, and that is how we got where we got. Truthers do the same thing. They just look for evidence that supports their claims, and discount all other.
One piece of evidence that I have never seen refuted, and I do not expect it will be here, is this. If we really did have this evil government that did not hesitate to murder 3000 of its own people in this wild plot to drag us into a war or whatever other reason truthers can make up, why are all these amateur websites allowed to persist? Surely, finding out who is behind Loose Change and all that kind of stuff should be trivially simple for an organization capable of flawlessly carrying out the 9/11 fakery. And killing those responsible for spreading the "truth" ought to be no big deal, compared to the thousands of deal already. Why are these people still alive and preaching the "truth?" Surely, some "accidents" and "heart attacks" ought to have happened by now. Maybe some youtube take down notices? Nope, not a one.
i'll be your huckleberry...
spineless bastards, like yourself utilitarian, have evolved this society into a bunch of spineless sheeple. if one of you wanders off for some unknown reason even when the grass is great right where we are, the rest of the herd will rumble and bumble after the one wanderer. spineless bastards like yourself have evolved this sheeple herd to the point that the shepherds don't even need sheep dogs anymore. why would they? the majority of the sheeple keep the rest inside the fences by lambasting them with things like you are saying. ie: what would my friends think? what would my family say? what would my boss say?
got some evidence of other steel structures 'melting'? no, they fucking burn for days and are still standing...
i noticed no one tries to refute the silverstein interview other than idiots who never watched the whole thing and try and construct some context other than the demolition context of the entire interview.
lambasting... haha get it? probably not...
I'm pretty sure even if they indeed said they were the one who caused 9/11 it wouldn't change a thing and people would keep going on with their lives .... I was listening to cenk ugyur thursday and he said something about the nra ... how many school shooting does it take per day until thing changes ... 5 death ? 15 death ? 150 young american death per day ? Don't think for a second anything will ever change in the system...
Spinning wheel is ...spinning ;)
These are nothing but paid bozo's.
Their goal is to goad people into "flame wars" by shoving ridiculous logic in our faces...so that site moderators will become frustrated and close off topics that threaten the 'status corrupt'.
If Stefan or any other site owner wants to eliminate these trash talkers altogether, the simplest way to do is to make everyone the moderator of their own threads.
It is no trouble at all to turf these creeps from all threads where they try to cause distraction.
In short order the infestation will be eradicated...and things will run smoothly.
Regards...
Here is an example of the level of mental depravity and perversion reached by the very people who employ internet disinfo slugs.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6078529.ece
A clear picture of what we as a society are up against.
Regards...
Paranoia can be treated with drugs to be brought under control but can never be totally eliminated. But there is no known treatment for shear stupidity. I suspect you will just be stuck with that and your conspiracy theories. GOOD DAY.
Quote from: johnbostick on April 12, 2009, 02:23:38 PM
Paranoia can be treated with drugs to be brought under control but can never be totally eliminated. But there is no known treatment for shear stupidity. I suspect you will just be stuck with that and your conspiracy theories. GOOD DAY.
wow john, ad hominem and non sequiturs... oh my!
nice how you resorted to that instead of addressing the questions i posed you, or making the clarifications as to what you where actually suggesting.
why am i not surprised?
and for the record it's 'sheer stupidity'... gotta love it when some guy is calling you stupid and can't spell or know what words mean, that's 'shear genius' man... i suspect you were stuck with hooked on phonics ;)
Those 4 and 5 letter words trip them up every time.
Arrested development...likely from too much of that grain alcohol in kindergarten.
Kindergarten = preschool...courtesy tutorial. ;D
Thanks for coming out.
Regards...
A complete engineering data report can be obtained here for the interested in why building 7 collapsed. Some people are more suited for removing rats from ductwork and laughing at intelligent people and some for insulting, critiquing, and correcting intelligent peoples grammar mistakes. Truly intelligent people are responsible for investigating and reporting facts.
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf
Factors contributing to the building failure were: thermal expansion occurring at temperatures hundreds of degrees below those typically considered in design practice for establishing structural fire resistance ratings; significant magnification of thermal expansion effects due to the long-span floors, which are common in office buildings in widespread use; connections that were designed to resist gravity loads, but not thermally induced lateral loads; and a structural system that was not designed to prevent fire-induced progressive collapse.
Wine drinker check my spelling on this please
Number one rule on the net...if you are going to call someone stupid, ya gots ta use good grammer.
Sorry, but thats the way it is.
Do you seriously think me or anyone is going to sift through anything you post after you have discredited yourself.
Time to mosey along now, y'hear.
Now if Stefan were to give everyone moderator control as he did Bill in the Joule Thief thread...I would simply wipe out all your drivel...and trolls like yourself would be forced start up your own bullshit threads and waste you own time listening to the echo and waiting for someone bored enough to engage you.
But alas, we have to deal with trolls like yourself imposing your crap on us, in legitimate sourced threads.
Quote from: johnbostick on April 12, 2009, 11:50:08 AM
Captain your handle is certainly appropriate for your intellect.
Here's a truth thats obvious
3.5 ACCURACY OF THE PROBABLE COLLAPSE SEQUENCE
Independent assessment of the validity of the key steps in the collapse of WTC 7 was a challenging task.
Some of the photographic information had been used to direct the simulations. For example, the timing
of the appearance of broken windows was an input to the fire growth modeling. However, there were
significant observables that were usable as corroborating evidence, as shown in Table 3â€"1. The
"Observation Times" were determined from examinations of photographs and videos shot on September
11, 2001. The times in the second and third columns are from the two global analyses with and without
debris impact damage for Case B temperatures at 4.0 h.
Some of the photographic information had been used to direct the simulations.
I wouldnt do it any other way. Some people really think the system they live is based on truth. Hell no - its based on oil, guns and drugs. And the ones that sell oil, guns and drugs of course can hire people to "direct the simulations" based on "photographic information". It is no evidence what so ever. The animation dont even look like the footage we all know.
it makes no sense hiring someone to disturb forums like this. it personaly makes "no sense" - get it - you'll get outrun by ... yourself, over time. You are to good for this world, and will leave this 'work' sooner than you think.
Ontopic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o)
explain this (nist-report and Supporters). Watch the mighty colourfull Nist-report Animation Pictures and the video ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc&feature=related)
The problem with the NIST report is that it expects us to believe that the Bldg. 7 building was so weak that it fell from the minor fires and superficial damage to the exterior... Yet didn't topple over from wind storms or normal compression 20 years before.
And it must be really embarrassing to you guys that these 3 steel buildings are the only ones in history to ever collapse from fire... or that the collapses all looked exactly like controlled demolitions (but Bldg 7 looked the most suspicious, and is certainly the hardest to explain to people who's eyes don't stare blankly into space).
This one is interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGOt9f3gKk
It shows the famous BBC news report where they claimed the "Saloman Bros. Building" (Bldg 7) had fallen... 21 minutes before it actually did. We can literally see the building still standing in the background near the woman's left shoulder (to the right of her head) while she is reporting about it "having fallen".
Oops.
BBC later said they got that report from the U.S. government.
... Evidence of Time Travel perhaps? .. Considering all the other wacky conspiracy theories these people expect us to believe for what happened that day, i wouldn't be surprised if they claimed that next.
Willy Nelson once said concerning Bldg. 7 : "How stupid do they think we are?"
I saw that BBC report that day...as soon as building 7 began collapsing her shoulder, the live feed disintigrated into pixels...a feed malfunction was cited as an explanation.
The BBC's initial response when questioned was..."we cannot comment as we have lost the tape from that day."...the old 'dog ate my homework' excuse.
That excuse stood up for about one minute, until a network news veteran stated that whenever anything of major consequence occurs, numerous master are made automatically, in the event of a malfunction.
Only later did they say they received the report/script from the US.
Don't forget the same people behind the plot own and control all mainstream media.
I hope everybody spreads this far and wide...I know I will.
Public hangings are in order.
Regards...
Thanks for the Danny Jowenko video Reda...good find.
Do you is he a structural engineer ?
Regards...
Quote from: johnbostick on April 12, 2009, 03:59:35 PM
Truly intelligent people are responsible for investigating and reporting facts.
please, do let us know when you drag yourself up from your elementary school comprehension of words and manage to join that group...
I recall an announcement that one of the hijacked 911 planes was disembarked in an isolated corner of the Cleveland airport...does anyone else remember that ?
I always wondered if the just loaded them on a bus and murdered/ silenced them elsewhere..it just hit me that they may have been carted off to a FEMA concentration camp.
Regards...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 12, 2009, 01:07:44 PM
i'll be your huckleberry...
spineless bastards, like yourself utilitarian, have evolved this society into a bunch of spineless sheeple. if one of you wanders off for some unknown reason even when the grass is great right where we are, the rest of the herd will rumble and bumble after the one wanderer. spineless bastards like yourself have evolved this sheeple herd to the point that the shepherds don't even need sheep dogs anymore. why would they? the majority of the sheeple keep the rest inside the fences by lambasting them with things like you are saying. ie: what would my friends think? what would my family say? what would my boss say?
got some evidence of other steel structures 'melting'? no, they fucking burn for days and are still standing...
i noticed no one tries to refute the silverstein interview other than idiots who never watched the whole thing and try and construct some context other than the demolition context of the entire interview.
lambasting... haha get it? probably not...
I am not going to get into the "melting metal" and similar bullshit, because that has already been debunked ad nauseam.
I take it you have no explanation why there have been no attempts to suppress 9/11 truth websites though, right?
Quote from: utilitarian on April 13, 2009, 06:48:15 PM
I am not going to get into the "melting metal" and similar bullshit, because that has already been debunked ad nauseam.
I take it you have no explanation why there have been no attempts to suppress 9/11 truth websites though, right?
of course you won't get into that, cause you have shit for ground to stand on. the only three steel framed buildings in the history of the world that collapsed due to "fire"...
i did explain it. fuck man pay attention...
Can someone please explain how there was molten metal under the site up to 6 weeks after the towers came down? anyone? please? I didn't think so!
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 12, 2009, 10:18:21 PM
I recall an announcement that one of the hijacked 911 planes was disembarked in an isolated corner of the Cleveland airport...does anyone else remember that ?
I always wondered if the just loaded them on a bus and murdered/ silenced them elsewhere..it just hit me that they may have been carted off to a FEMA concentration camp.
Regards...
Sorry Cap-Z-ro, but that is a ridiculous idea. Why would anyone try to dispose of the passengers elsewhere and risk escape, possible witnesses, people involved talking etc when the obvious way to dispose of the people is in the event. Everyone gone and accounted for.
It would need a moron to do something else and complicate matters.
Hans von Lieven
As I recall Hans the flight in question was the same plane that was alleged to have hit the Pentagon...and we all know no plane hit that building.
The whole operation was poorly done...take the building 7 bungle for example.
None of it would have been believed if it weren't for the involvement of the media on a media fed already brainwashed population.
Look at all the political murders in US history...no free thinking individual would be taken in...but the masses ate it up...because 'how could our leaders have possibly have done such a thing.
They got by with the anthrax mailings didn't they...even after the stuff was traced to a gov lab...prior to that "the terrists did it'...the story quickly vanished...out of sight out of mind.
I know what I heard reported that day...and it would and is very easy for 'authorities' to "move them to a safe location"...because 'america was under attack'.
To me, a FEMA camp is a plausible destination...after that a one by one execution nazi style would have been easy to carry out.
Regards...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 13, 2009, 06:54:40 PM
of course you won't get into that, cause you have shit for ground to stand on. the only three steel framed buildings in the history of the world that collapsed due to "fire"...
i did explain it. fuck man pay attention...
The simple answer is that steel does not need to reach melting temperature to break. It just needs to reach a temperature where its strength is weak enough for the building to collapse.
And no, I did not see any explanation to my question. If I missed it, sorry.
Quote from: utilitarian on April 13, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
The simple answer is that steel does not need to reach melting temperature to break. It just needs to reach a temperature where its strength is weak enough for the building to collapse.
And no, I did not see any explanation to my question. If I missed it, sorry.
blah blah blah, then why have none of the NUMEROUS other steel framed buildings that have caught fire collapsed?
jesus guy, open your eyes. i'll paraphrase it then. they don't need to, they have the somnambulant populace like yourself, that gives no credence to any story other than what the media 'expert' or academia sells them, and ostracize anyone who actually looks at the evidence. but hey what else can you expect everyone is too busy with their newest cell phone to give a fuck about their liberty or whatever else the fed is stealing this week...
Gullibility or guilability ?
Regards...
I rather be a living weirdo than a dead one... ::)
Take care Cap,
Michel
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 13, 2009, 09:56:46 PM
blah blah blah, then why have none of the NUMEROUS other steel framed buildings that have caught fire collapsed?
jesus guy, open your eyes. i'll paraphrase it then. they don't need to, they have the somnambulant populace like yourself, that gives no credence to any story other than what the media 'expert' or academia sells them, and ostracize anyone who actually looks at the evidence. but hey what else can you expect everyone is too busy with their newest cell phone to give a fuck about their liberty or whatever else the fed is stealing this week...
Sorry, but that does not cut it. WTC 7 has to be examined on its own merits. In a building fire, it is quite possible for steel to reach temperatures where it is weakened. WTC 7 has its own story. After 7 hours of uncontrolled fire, a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade. That is what happened. If you have evidence of explosives, please trot it out for us.
And finally, regarding my question, I take it, no, you cannot explain why all these 9/11 truth website and videos have been allowed to exist?
Quote from: utilitarian on April 13, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
Sorry, but that does not cut it. WTC 7 has to be examined on its own merits. In a building fire, it is quite possible for steel to reach temperatures where it is weakened. WTC 7 has its own story. After 7 hours of uncontrolled fire, a steel girded on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade. That is what happened. If you have evidence of explosives, please trot it out for us.
And finally, regarding my question, I take it, no, you cannot explain why all these 9/11 truth website and videos have been allowed to exist?
sorry but that doesn't cut it, otherwise steel framed building would be falling down all over the world. furthermore you are suggesting that all the girders weakened at the same rate so that ALL THREE buildings came straight down instead of WEAKENING AND BENDING AND TOPPLING OVER? are you mental?
you can take it however you want, doesn't change the facts of the matter.
1 re:evidence of explosives was given, BY LARRY SILVERSTEIN HIMSELF
2 NO OTHER STEEL FRAMED BUILDING IN THE WORLD HAS COLLAPSED DUE TO FIRE, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE BURNED FOR DAYS...
if you have some evidence of that happening, please trot it out for us.
3 re: your question, I EXPLAINED IT TWICE, they don't need to. now fuck off
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 13, 2009, 10:24:40 PM
sorry but that doesn't cut it, otherwise steel framed building would be falling down all over the world. furthermore you are suggesting that all the girders weakened at the same rate so that ALL THREE buildings came straight down instead of WEAKENING AND BENDING AND TOPPLING OVER? are you mental?
you can take it however you want, doesn't change the facts of the matter.
1 re:evidence of explosives was given, BY LARRY SILVERSTEIN HIMSELF
2 NO OTHER STEEL FRAMED BUILDING IN THE WORLD HAS COLLAPSED DUE TO FIRE, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE BURNED FOR DAYS...
if you have some evidence of that happening, please trot it out for us.
3 re: your question, I EXPLAINED IT TWICE, they don't need to. now fuck off
Larry Silverstein said "pull it." That is not physical evidence. It is a phrase that can be interpreted different ways, and it has been.
Who cares about other buildings? Examine this building.
And yes, they do need to. Why have all these people fanning the flames of revolution? Just put an end to them. The government did not hesitate to execute 3000 innocents, why hesitate now?
And also, why even bring down WTC 7? I mean, seriously, why? What additional outrage does taking down an already destroyed building, with no one inside, cause? WTC 1 and 2, sure, I understand. But WTC 7? Utterly pointless. No logic to it. WTC 1 and 2 is all the pretext to war you need!
Why even wire WTC 7 to explode? If they knew they were going to hit 1 and 2 only, it sure would look funny if 7 went down. Even the government could not have known exactly how the damage to the surrounding buildings was going to pan out. If the planes hit a little different, it could have all been different. And if WTC 7 did not get damaged much, why explode it? And if you don't explode it, you risk someone finding the explosives. So again, it makes zero sense.
somebody mentioned the collapsing Floor of wtc7 - if you would examine the NIST-report you ave provided you can clearly see that the Animation does NOT correspond to the Videos 0of WTC7 IMPLODING - it IMPLODES, it does not collapse - collapse is a more or less chaotic way of destruction. There would have been parts of the building still standing. As there should have been with the Towers too - BUT it/they completely fell into their footprints. It is not possible. It simply isnt. You can try to get your story through as long as you want - the Facts are the Facts that have been reported even by the mass-media, these Facts are history now. Facts are Eyewitnesses and Photo-evidence and scientific analysis that have to correspond to the pictures we saw - we saw a staged destruction whereby the trigger where planes. With the Pentagon there wasnt even a Plane. At least nobody showed us one, let alone they could. Where are the Photos of the PentagonPlane? SOMETHING STINKS. The Scientific proof for NANO-THERMITE is just a way to get the smelliness of our Faces. We dont fucking care what happens next. We have to rely on Free Speech and Truth from our Government, otherwise its terrorism from above, its like middle-ages. And as above so below - now thats their counterpart and their doing a great job on WAR-ON-TERROR with other words WAR-ON-CITICENS-AND-THEIR-MONEY-FOR-MORE-WEAPON-SPENDING-AND-BIGBIGBIG-SOCIALISM-ALL-OVER-TO-RESCUE-THE-BANKS ;D :-\. I didnt do any harm to a human, I didnt do harm to a BUILDING. No-Fucking-Body is accused of dooing the Terrorist-attacks on the wtc's - WHY IS THIS. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE - AND WHOM ARE THEY SEARCHING FOR? SADDAM IS GONE. OBL IS A MONSTER THAT LOOKS OUT OF THE TV EVERY 5 MONTH OR SO. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE GAME? WHAT DOES THIS GOOD OLD GODS OWN COUNTRY DO TO GET THE BASTARDS THAT DID THE ATTACKS nothing - they are doing nothing - fbi doesnt even search for anyone who did the attacks. OBL was accused and searched for for a completely other crime... the war on saddam was staged with a choco-War-Minister telling the whole world a good one while UN-Meeting ;D - IT WAS FAKED AND THEY ALLREADY SAID SO.
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8049092419216589732&ei=UDfkSdmUNJT22gLorum2Aw&hl=de (http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8049092419216589732&ei=UDfkSdmUNJT22gLorum2Aw&hl=de)
this movie is about facts - watch around 33:20 - do you get the bigger picture of WTC7???
;D hanny hanjour (or whatever his name is) didnt even have a ticket for the 'flight' that 'went' into the pentagon ... 7 of the 19 terrorist even lived after the attacks as BBC found out ;D you are kidding me with your IT IS AS OUR LOVED GOVERNMENT TOLD US-CRAP
;D ;D ;D
Never mind - we all have to face our Truths and callibrate them to reality each time we wake up
Quote from: reada on April 14, 2009, 03:17:19 AM
With the Pentagon there wasnt even a Plane. At least nobody showed us one, let alone they could. Where are the Photos of the PentagonPlane?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
edit:
i meant photos (with an s for more) - you can get the other photo they showed with the turbine lying in one of the circles of the pentagon that "penetrated" the building ;D - these are the only two. Kidding me? Washington is scattered with cameras - the video-evidence (of that THING that hit the pentagon) has been taken. Every fucking planecrash that arrose from birds is better investigated than this crap - they sometimes build huge buildings to research the evidence of a crashed plane .... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Utilitarian you made my day - read my comment in the MIB Mylow Thread
Why Bldg 7 was dropped ("pulled"): Mainly money. If part of the complex had still stood mainly undamaged (and Bldg. 7 was mainly undamaged), Silverstein and his partners could not have gotten all of his 6 Billion in double-indemnity insurance payment... Not bad, for a 250 million investment. He was only the Lease Holder. He didn't build it, was only renting it from the city and sub-leasing it out... and he doesn't even have to re-build it. Plus there was evidence in the building that had to be gotten rid of, the hardened command center that was likely used to control the event was there (it was odd that after spending all that money to create this armored command center, that the NYC Mayor chose not to use it in the emergency). Plus there is the SEC evidence stored there on the investigation into Emron, which could have implicated several other firms (...we will never know now), and the 3.3 Billion in gold that was reported to be stored in the basement vaults (of which only 300 million was ever recovered... What happened to the rest, or was it really even there?).
And it is important to compare what other buildings would do.... This is the whole basis for proper engineering studies on structural failure. Without a baseline data is meaningless. This is why the NIST report on Bldg 7 is not fit to wipe dog-doo from a shoe. These six hundred and eleven architects and engineers also say the NIST report is utter crap.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The "smoking gun" idea of Bldg 7 comes from the fact that no controlled demolition can be done quickly; it takes weeks to set the explosives. So if this was a controlled demolition (...as anyone with eyes can see it was), then the whole story of 911 was a fraud... And the wackiest "conspiracy theory" ever put up by a government lying through its teeth. You gotta have your tin foil hat on pretty tightly to still believe their absurd fables after studying the facts.
As to why 911 sites & "Truthers" are "left alone" by the government: They prefer to not make martyrs, break laws openly, and create more controversy (as closing these sites would greatly do), which in the end would only make even more peeps become aware of what really happened... The idea is to ignore it as much as possible in the hope "that it goes away", and the majority of the TV-mesmerized sheeple will never know the truth.. Since the mainstream media refuses to report on these things. And they really are not "left alone": Many of us, like me personally, lost our Security Clearances because of speaking out about it on the internet (.... Limiting future career opportunities in electronics since so much of it is aerospace or mil related). But that's a small price to pay in my book... And got me talking about it and many other related subjects even more.
So instead, they just send in the disinfo shills... Hehehe, and that brings us back full circle to Free Energy... See? There really is a connection ;)
Disinfo agents (likely paid in this instance) aim to keep you in an endless a cyce of dragging you back to issues that have already been resolved...ignore them.
I wish Stefan would give thread starters moderator status on their threads...then disinfo or malicious posts could be eliminated, and serve only to bump up the threads the disruptive posters wanted to derail.
If you really want to get under their skin they hate being outed as agents of disinformation by the way.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2009, 07:09:32 AM
Disinfo agents (likely paid in this instance) aim to keep you in an endless a cyce of dragging you back to issues that have already been resolved...ignore them.
I wish Stefan would give thread starters moderator status on their threads...then disinfo or malicious posts could be eliminated, and serve only to bump up the threads the disruptive posters wanted to derail.
If you really want to get under their skin they hate being outed as agents of disinformation by the way.
Regards...
Ah, very funny. You accuse the government of suppression, and then ask for power to suppress dissenting views. Sounds like the Bolsheviks replacing the Czar.
Quote from: jibbguy on April 14, 2009, 06:52:29 AM
Why Bldg 7 was dropped ("pulled"): Mainly money. If part of the complex had still stood mainly undamaged (and Bldg. 7 was mainly undamaged), Silverstein and his partners could not have gotten all of his 6 Billion in double-indemnity insurance payment... Not bad, for a 250 million investment. He was only the Lease Holder. He didn't build it, was only renting it from the city and sub-leasing it out... and he doesn't even have to re-build it. Plus there was evidence in the building that had to be gotten rid of, the hardened command center that was likely used to control the event was there (it was odd that after spending all that money to create this armored command center, that the NYC Mayor chose not to use it in the emergency). Plus there is the SEC evidence stored there on the investigation into Emron, which could have implicated several other firms (...we will never know now), and the 3.3 Billion in gold that was reported to be stored in the basement vaults (of which only 300 million was ever recovered... What happened to the rest, or was it really even there?).
You missed my point. My point is that no one could have predicted exactly how WTC 1 and 2 were going to come down. WTC 7 may have gotten damaged, or it may not have. If it did not get damaged, then exploding it would not be plausible. And you could not risk leaving evidence if you do not explode it, as the explosives could be found by witnesses.
And your scenario assumes that Silverstein was in on it. Why would the government disclose this ghoulish plot to anyone who does not need to know? We do not have a single person, not a one, coming forth admitting to being part of the conspiracy, so they must have been very selective with whom they told. And now, they are involving a guy who does not need to know.
Anyway, I think I am going to take my own advice and leave you people to your fringe opinions. As long as I do not hear about this crap in my daily life, I am happy. You will never convince anyone who matters with this crazy stuff. I really don't care if you spend the rest of your life with these views, and I am sure you equally do not care what I think, so what's the point?
I will say one last thing. I suggest you maybe think about whether there is any evidence at all that could possibly change your mind. Because if there isn't, what's the point of even talking about it?
I mean, seriously, think of something, if found today, that would convince you to doubt your position. I can answer that for myself. If several people came forth and admitted they were part of the conspiracy and gave somne verifiable details on how it was cooked up (not just that they said "pull it"), I would have to reconsider my views.
Can you honestly say the same? I suspect you would brand any evidence as forged. If you would accept some evidence, what would it have to be?
Anyway, this is more of a rhetorical exercise. I know I will not get any favorable replies to this, so I will just leave you with that thought.
Don't feed the trolls
Quote from: reada on April 14, 2009, 04:44:46 AM
edit:
i meant photos (with an s for more) - you can get the other photo they showed with the turbine lying in one of the circles of the pentagon that "penetrated" the building ;D - these are the only two. Kidding me? Washington is scattered with cameras - the video-evidence (of that THING that hit the pentagon) has been taken. Every fucking planecrash that arrose from birds is better investigated than this crap - they sometimes build huge buildings to research the evidence of a crashed plane .... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Utilitarian you made my day - read my comment in the MIB Mylow Thread
One last thing I had to respond to. The gif is too large to attach, but you can find it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77)
There are photos/video of the plane, you just have not looked hard enough, or at all.
i wont feed you, thanks
;)
Quote from: utilitarian on April 13, 2009, 11:42:30 PM
Larry Silverstein said "pull it." That is not physical evidence. It is a phrase that can be interpreted different ways, and it has been.
Who cares about other buildings? Examine this building.
And yes, they do need to. Why have all these people fanning the flames of revolution? Just put an end to them. The government did not hesitate to execute 3000 innocents, why hesitate now?
And also, why even bring down WTC 7? I mean, seriously, why? What additional outrage does taking down an already destroyed building, with no one inside, cause? WTC 1 and 2, sure, I understand. But WTC 7? Utterly pointless. No logic to it. WTC 1 and 2 is all the pretext to war you need!
Why even wire WTC 7 to explode? If they knew they were going to hit 1 and 2 only, it sure would look funny if 7 went down. Even the government could not have known exactly how the damage to the surrounding buildings was going to pan out. If the planes hit a little different, it could have all been different. And if WTC 7 did not get damaged much, why explode it? And if you don't explode it, you risk someone finding the explosives. So again, it makes zero sense.
you didn't say PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, YOU SAID EVIDENCE.
if you watched the whole interview it would be painfully obvious, to a elementary school child even, that the context of the conversation was demolition. firemen don't say 'pull it' when they give up. 'pull it' is demolitions lingo not firefighting lingo, idiot.
who cares about your bullshit and misdirection?
STEEL BUILDINGS DON'T COLLAPSE DUE TO FIRE, still waiting for your to trot out some evidence that they do...
and no they don't need to. they have idiots like yourself, that never learned critical thinking or to question their sources. here is a great example of what a dipshit you are and how little critical thinking you use. you're the dipshit that is always chanting 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof'... says who? your mom? proof is proof, there is no such thing as extraordinary proof... nor is there such a thing as contra-ordinary proof...
why take down building 7? because of what it contained you numbnuts...
and no, no risk of anyone finding explosives because haliburton secured the area and trucked out all the debris to a secure facility... you really don't know a thing about this other than the 'official story' do you?
your 'logic' is laughable as well as your 'knowledge' of steel and your total lack of knowledge about what offices were in building seven and what paper trails were contained therein isn't even laughable, it's fucking pitiful...
once again, unless you have some evidence of ANY OTHER STEEL BUILDING IN THE WORLD COLLAPSING DUE TO FIRE... fuck off
if building 7 burned to collapse due to secondary incidents caused by the collapse of the 2 trade towers then why didn't the hilton burn to collapse? it was as close as building 7 and took more damage if i recall.
Ever notice how they come out of the woodwork when the truth starts to surface ?
A sign they fear the gallows.
They need just a little more time before they have us right where they want us.
The general public still sit mesmerized listening waiting to get their cue on how to react from the evening "news".
This is what we must counter.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2009, 01:24:17 PM
Ever notice how they come out of the woodwork when the truth starts to surface ?
A sign they fear the gallows.
They need just a little more time before they have us right where they want us.
The general public still sit mesmerized listening waiting to get their cue on how to react from the evening "news".
This is what we must counter.
Regards...
indeed, i am expecting shrugedasshat err i mean atlas to show up soon...
notice how they avoid like the plague the fact that no other steel framed building in the world has collapsed due to fire.
Quote from: utilitarian on April 14, 2009, 09:58:29 AM
I will say one last thing. I suggest you maybe think about whether there is any evidence at all that could possibly change your mind. Because if there isn't, what's the point of even talking about it?
I mean, seriously, think of something, if found today, that would convince you to doubt your position. I can answer that for myself. If several people came forth and admitted they were part of the conspiracy and gave somne verifiable details on how it was cooked up (not just that they said "pull it"), I would have to reconsider my views.
Can you honestly say the same? I suspect you would brand any evidence as forged. If you would accept some evidence, what would it have to be?
Anyway, this is more of a rhetorical exercise. I know I will not get any favorable replies to this, so I will just leave you with that thought.
absolutely, find some evidence of another steel framed building collapsing due to fire...
why are you even asking this question? i have asked you for this very evidence every response i have made to your posts in this topic, more of a rhetorical exercise on my part of course ;)
your reading comprehension is pathetic.
Calls for an Intellectual Revolution.
Read about it here...
http://www.rense.com/general85/celcalls.htm
Regards...
@ Cap-Z-ro,
You know that it is called a scientific open mind.
QuoteOne last thing I had to respond to. The gif is too large to attach
The gif is not too large, his mind is too narrow to comprehend the smallest thing when logic is involved. He is a plant. They release 5 images in a live film and he sees a plane, the pilot and copilot and passengers.
I just love your posts because I can weed out those that have to sit in the fridge to believe the light shuts off when the door is closed. Way too many around for a FE/OU site.
Take care,
Michel
You're right Michelinho, I also have no doubt he is a plant....no one could possibly be that willfully blind or stupid in the face of such a mountain of conclusive evidence.
There are others also...as shown in Stefan's reactive poll thread...I hope he see's the pattern and scraps the poll.
And thank you so much for your kind words and support...they are greatly appreciated, as I have had far too much of the other, ever since I learned the Pentagon was struck.
Its been a long and lonely road at times.
All the best.
Regards...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 14, 2009, 01:48:24 PM
absolutely, find some evidence of another steel framed building collapsing due to fire...
why are you even asking this question? i have asked you for this very evidence every response i have made to your posts in this topic, more of a rhetorical exercise on my part of course ;)
your reading comprehension is pathetic.
OK, here you go with some examples.
Here are 3 buildings, made of steel, that collapsed on May 10, 1993. This was a fire at Kader Industrial, in Thailand.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/kadertoyfactoryfire%3Astructuralsteelquick (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/kadertoyfactoryfire%3Astructuralsteelquick)
In January of 1960, there was the McCormick Place fire.
PDF link: https://www.ideals.uiuc.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/91/McCormick%20Place%20Fire%2c%201967.pdf?sequence=2 (https://www.ideals.uiuc.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/91/McCormick%20Place%20Fire%2c%201967.pdf?sequence=2)
In January of 1997 there was the fire that brought down the Sight and Sound Theater in PA.
PDF Link: http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-097.pdf (http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-097.pdf)
And here is an article with a further list of steel framed buildings that have collapsed due to fire:
http://www.fpemag.com/archives/article.asp?issue_id=27&i=153 (http://www.fpemag.com/archives/article.asp?issue_id=27&i=153)
So to say there has not been even one is patently false. You have to provide some qualification to your statement, or withdraw it.
No nano thermite involved there though...still no troll food here.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
No nano thermite involved there though...still no troll food here.
The whole point is that steel building can collapse without thermite or explosives, but merely due to fire. I do not follow you.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 14, 2009, 01:12:46 PM
if you watched the whole interview it would be painfully obvious, to a elementary school child even, that the context of the conversation was demolition. firemen don't say 'pull it' when they give up. 'pull it' is demolitions lingo not firefighting lingo, idiot.
OK, here is the whole quote:
"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
Larry Silverstein is being interviewed by PBS here, by a documentary crew. So it is not like he was surprised by a reporter. He is describing what happened for a documentary.
So your position is that he just slipped up and made a confession, and did it twice. (He used "pull" twice.) Silverstein is not an idiot, mind you. He is a smart guy to get to where he was.
So let's examine what he said. Right before the "pull it" phrase, he mentions that there has been such terrible loss of life, and because of that, the smart thing was to "pull it." How is blowing up his own building a logical follow up to the comment on loss of life? It makes a lot more sense to interpret "pull it" as to cease firefighting operations, and therefore risk no more firefighters lives.
You can still debate what it means, but do not tell me it is obvious from context what he said. It makes more sense the other way.
yawn
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2009, 04:22:57 PM
yawn
You started this thread. Sorry the discussion is boring you, now.
I guess we should have said "skyscraper" (which are built to entirely different standards). Apparently the largest in that list was "13 stories".
Bldg 7 was "47" ; and the one recently in China was 40 i think . That one burned out of control for over 2 days.. At extremely high heat and didn't even bend, or drop of course. The WTC7 fire was on a maximum of 10 floors for 6 hours (and not all those floors at once), and was mainly the burning of plastic office materials.. A much lower temp fire that should not have even melted aluminum let alone thick steel girders.
Hey! I know! Why don't we examine the girders to check them? Oops, forget it.... As soon as it could be arranged, they were all shipped out and sold for scrap to India and China (many of them gone within only a few weeks of the event.. And doing so knowing that this scrap contained human remains). A few selected pieces were saved for analysis of course; and the steel did not show signs of being "special" (somehow sub-standard that would allow for a significantly lower melting point). The temperature of those office fires was about 900 degrees too low to melt steel... And not nearly hot enough to significantly weaken it.
_______________________________
Regarding the Pentagon:
Actually most people who have studied that video of the object hitting the Pentagon tend to think it is proof of a cruise missile hitting the building, not an airliner. When blown up the pixels are too coarse to say what it was with any kind of accuracy... But some claim the image is too small to be a 757 by a factor of 3 . That vid that was linked above added the Computer Generated Imagery to suggest a plane...
And why not show us the at least 8 other cameras that would have captured this if there was nothing to hide (including the security cams the FBI confiscated from the nearby gas station and hotel that were never shown publicly)?
That "plane" was reported by the government itself to have made a 360 deg. course change while descending, at nearly 500 MPH, and managed to fly above the parking lot only a few feet above the ground to hit the only side of the Pentagon that had conveniently been strengthened in the previous year (uh, why not just fly straight in, why bother with the very difficult descending circle maneuver?). Professional airline pilots with years of experience say they probably couldn't have done that themselves at that speed with such precision, but we are expected to believe a guy who flunked his pilot training course in a Cessna could.
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
Then there is the famous "Did anyone tell you anything to the contrary!?" comment that Dick Cheney angrily made to a hapless Air Force lieutenant in "the bunker" (lol the "undisclosed location" he was hiding in, probably at Andrews AFB)... Witnessed and publicly reported on to the 9/11 Commission by U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta who was standing right next to him at the time... A lieutenant kept coming up to Cheney every couple minutes and reporting:
"Sir, the plane is 50 miles out".
Then: "Sir, the plane is 30 miles out".
And finally: "Sir, the plane is 10 miles out: Do the orders still stand?"
At which point Cheney turned to the young man and said testily: "Yes they do, did anyone tell you anything to the contrary?!"
The plane or whatever it was that they were talking about, then hit the Pentagon. So... What were these "orders" being talking about? "Don't intercept" perhaps? Mineta did not know what they were. Notice below that it is the Senator who keeps saying there were orders to shoot down the planes, NOT Mineta, who repeatedly says he didn't know what the order was.. Lol even though we can see that Sen. Lee Hamilton was trying to brow-beat Mineta into saying that ;) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Usually there are dozens of fighters always available to protect the country from such an attack... But on 9/11 ... "Coincidentally" there happened to be a "perfect storm" of several Air Force exercises running that same day that had nearly all of those F-16's and F-15's too far away to intercept. And oddly enough, only a couple of months before, for the first time in history, the Vice President of the United States (Dick Cheney) was put in DIRECT TACTICAL AND STRATEGIC COMMAND of our air defenses in the event of a terrorist attack. More strange coinicidence...?
This was unheard of; before it was always a General with vast military and piloting experience who commanded and coordinated our fighter wings.... Not some "chicken hawk" who got several Draft Deferments to stay out of Viet Nam.
In the previous year, 2000, airplanes that were off-course, out of radio contact, and/or with broken radar transponders had been intercepted at least 60 times by U.S. Air Force fighters.... But on this day there were FOUR hijacked airliners and none of them, including one that flew right over our Nation's Capital AND TOOK THE TIME TO DO A 360 deg. CIRCLE, were intercepted?
Wow. What are the odds of all this stuff happening? Amazing coincidences, huh?...
Lol the official story is sounding more and more like a wacky conspiracy theory ;)
Quote from: utilitarian on April 14, 2009, 09:47:18 AM
Anyway, I think I am going to take my own advice and leave you people to your fringe opinions. As long as I do not hear about this crap in my daily life, I am happy. You will never convince anyone who matters with this crazy stuff. I really don't care if you spend the rest of your life with these views, and I am sure you equally do not care what I think, so what's the point?
didn't you have an intricate plan that involved NOT posting here anymore?
Not to mention the photo of a small round missile sized hole in the side of the Pentagon, taken before the wall collapsed.
Forget the plant...we got a Bush to burn.
Regards...
Quote from: utilitarian on April 14, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
OK, here is the whole quote:
"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
Larry Silverstein is being interviewed by PBS here, by a documentary crew. So it is not like he was surprised by a reporter. He is describing what happened for a documentary.
So your position is that he just slipped up and made a confession, and did it twice. (He used "pull" twice.) Silverstein is not an idiot, mind you. He is a smart guy to get to where he was.
So let's examine what he said. Right before the "pull it" phrase, he mentions that there has been such terrible loss of life, and because of that, the smart thing was to "pull it." How is blowing up his own building a logical follow up to the comment on loss of life? It makes a lot more sense to interpret "pull it" as to cease firefighting operations, and therefore risk no more firefighters lives.
You can still debate what it means, but do not tell me it is obvious from context what he said. It makes more sense the other way.
terrible loss of life in building 7? LOL you're fucking funny man...
the context is obvious. it makes no sense your way.
as far as qualifying my statement or withdrawing it, i suggest then that you do the same with your "evidence" statement.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 14, 2009, 05:26:53 PM
didn't you have an intricate plan that involved NOT posting here anymore?
Yes, but I am only human and have my failings.
So, are you sticking by your word and reassessing your view in light of evidence of other steel buildings being destroyed by fire?
9/11 Commission Counsel: Government Agreed to Lie About 9/11
" New book from man tasked by government to help investigate attacks unveils how “official story is almost entirely untrueâ€
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911-commission-counsel-government-agreed-to-lie-about-911.html
Gee...I wonder what this means ??
Regards...
Quote from: utilitarian on April 14, 2009, 04:05:22 PM
The whole point is that steel building can collapse without thermite or explosives, but merely due to fire. I do not follow you.
those links you posted were hilarious. anyone look at the pictures of the buildings? the 'ground zero' in those pics look nothing like the WTC ground zero, neither do the buildings after 'collapse'. in fact they all look much more like a building that was hit by an earthquake.
but hey, thanks for finding those pictures that show such a sharp contrast to the WTC...
Quote from: utilitarian on April 14, 2009, 05:41:21 PM
Yes, but I am only human and have my failings.
So, are you sticking by your word and reassessing your view in light of evidence of other steel buildings being destroyed by fire?
indeed you do...
sure i reassessed, in light of the 'evidence' you presented. see the above comment. your evidence does nothing to promote your opinion, in fact, it degrades it.
Dubble post required:
9/11 Commission Counsel: Government Agreed to Lie About 9/11
" New book from man tasked by government to help investigate attacks unveils how “official story is almost entirely untrueâ€
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911-commission-counsel-government-agreed-to-lie-about-911.html
Gee...I wonder what this means ??
Regards...
Quote from: jibbguy on April 14, 2009, 04:52:11 PM
I guess we should have said "skyscraper" (which are built to entirely different standards). Apparently the largest in that list was "13 stories".
You dismiss the other fires with this "different standards" bit, but you do not elaborate. How exactly are these standards different, and how would those standards lead to a different result?
Sure, skyscrapers are built to hold many floors, but this is also an added risk. A beam can be forced to support quite a bit more weight than in a shorter building.
And keep in mind, fire is a chaotic thing, and buildings, even steel skyscrapers, can be built differently. In WTC 7, the fire weakened a key piece in a certain way that did not occur in the Chinese example.
My point is, you guys asked for evidence of steel structures being destroyed by fire, and I gave it to you. The buildings I presented were serious buildings, not metal shacks. They were not skyscrapers, but that does not mean that a skyscraper could not suffer the same fate. Now you are dancing around trying to say, well, that was not a 47 footer. Yea, and it wasn't in New York on a sunny day in September either, but so what? Steel can fail under fire, that's the point.
Quote from: utilitarian on April 14, 2009, 05:52:47 PM
You dismiss the other fires with this "different standards" bit, but you do not elaborate. How exactly are these standards different, and how would those standards lead to a different result?
Sure, skyscrapers are built to hold many floors, but this is also an added risk. A beam can be forced to support quite a bit more weight than in a shorter building.
And keep in mind, fire is a chaotic thing, and buildings, even steel skyscrapers, can be built differently. In WTC 7, the fire weakened a key piece in a certain way that did not occur in the Chinese example.
My point is, you guys asked for evidence of steel structures being destroyed by fire, and I gave it to you. The buildings I presented were serious buildings, not metal shacks. They were not skyscrapers, but that does not mean that a skyscraper could not suffer the same fate. Now you are dancing around trying to say, well, that was not a 47 footer. Yea, and it wasn't in New York on a sunny day in September either, but so what? Steel can fail under fire, that's the point.
thats fucking funny, weren't you the one who said...
Quote from: utilitarian on April 13, 2009, 11:42:30 PM
Who cares about other buildings? Examine this building.
who's fucking dancing around?
so which is it oh mental midget? you can't have both... ::)
i thought the point was that you had some intricate plan about not posting here anymore?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 14, 2009, 05:46:22 PM
indeed you do...
sure i reassessed, in light of the 'evidence' you presented. see the above comment. your evidence does nothing to promote your opinion, in fact, it degrades it.
Yea, I do, but you know what, at least I argue the evidence, instead of calling my opponents idiots, dimwits, and telling them to "fuck off."
You are no one to talk. If you are going to go ad hominem, from what I remember, you are some loser living in Fargo in a run-down apartment, with no car. I bet I pay twice as much in taxes as you earn. And you cannot even string a proper English sentence together, so I suspect you finished high school, max. And now you pretend to be a fire expert, based on some ramblings you read on truther websites.
You wanted examples of steel buildings collapsing, and I gave them to you. If you have the technical expertise to explain why similar results could not happen in a skyscraper, go to town. Otherwise, you my friend, can go "fuck off."
And this next part goes to all of you truthers. All of you give me the unfortunate impression of someone who has not read any criticisms of your positions. Every single thing you trot out has been debated quite heavily, and evidence falls on the other side of your position. But you would never know it if you stick to sites like this.
Quote from: utilitarian on April 14, 2009, 06:04:59 PM
Yea, I do, but you know what, at least I argue the evidence, instead of calling my opponents idiots, dimwits, and telling them to "fuck off."
You are no one to talk. If you are going to go ad hominem, from what I remember, you are some loser living in Fargo in a run-down apartment, with no car. I bet I pay twice as much in taxes as you earn. And you cannot even string a proper English sentence together, so I suspect you finished high school, max. And now you pretend to be a fire expert, based on some ramblings you read on truther websites.
You wanted examples of steel buildings collapsing, and I gave them to you. If you have the technical expertise to explain why similar results could not happen in a skyscraper, go to town. Otherwise, you my friend, can go "fuck off."
And this next part goes to all of you truthers. All of you give me the unfortunate impression of someone who has not read any criticisms of your positions. Every single thing you trot out has been debated quite heavily, and evidence falls on the other side of your position. But you would never know it if you stick to sites like this.
you argue the party line, nothing more. 'deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow'
wow you paid a lot in taxes, more proof of what a dipshit you are... suspicion, assumptions, conjecture oh my!
from what i remember about you, you're the guy that chants mantras like 'extraordinary claims require extra ordinary proofs'. then when YOU make claims, like that one where you claimed to know just how to close loop it and i asked you for some technical data, you know, normal things that would go along with a claim like number of rollers, type of material, etc. you cried that such qualifications did not apply to you and you went back to chanting your mantra.
oh my, bad sentence structure... actually it's an old habit i picked up to piss off my father who is an english professor.
want to point out where i didn't string a 'proper' english sentence together?
i don't read truther websites either for the record, knew the official story was bullshit the moment they showed the 'terrorist passport' they found at ground zero. i'm only posting here cause i don't like you.
i suspect you are about 60 years old, totally disconnected from the society around you today. a republican who makes less than a million a year and still thinks his party gives a fuck about him, and still entrenched in your daydreams of 1960's nationalism. or a plant.
you and i are not friends, i think you would have gotten the hint... now fuck off.
sites like this? i do believe he just dissed you stephan...
when all this comes out you're going to be the same dipshit parroting the next lie, which will be "they lied to us to protect us."
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 14, 2009, 06:14:21 PM
wow you paid a lot in taxes, more proof of what dipshit you are... suspicion, assumptions, conjecture oh my!
from what i remember about you, you're the guy that chants mantras like 'extraordinary claims require extra ordinary proofs'. then when YOU make claims, like that one where you claimed to know just how to close loop it and i asked you for some technical data, you know, normal things that would go along with a claim like number of rollers, type of material, etc. you cried that such qualifications did not apply to you and you went back to chanting your mantra.
oh my, bad sentence structure... actually it's an old habit i picked up to piss off my father who is an english professor.
i suspect you are about 60 years old, totally disconnected from the society around you today. a republican who makes less than a million a year and still thinks his party gives a fuck about him, and still entrenched in your daydreams of 1960's nationalism. or a plant.
you and i are not friends, i think you would have gotten the hint by now... now fuck off.
I am 40 and an independent, somewhat libertarian. I finished undergrad and grad school. As a business owner, I am certainly sympathetic to some fiscally conservative doctrines, but not all of them. I just think that 9/11 conspiracy theories are bullshit, and I don't believe in perpetual motion until I see it. That doesn't make me a Republican.
You do not have to aplogize for your sentence structure. Write how you like. But saying you do it on purpose is a cop out. You write in a lazy, easy style favored by 9th graders, and I bet you could not write in the correct manner if you tried. And I am sorry to say, but your writing does expose your low level of education. But hey, Bill Gates dropped out of college, so who cares, right? I am sure you are doing fine.
And yes, extraordinary claims do require extraordinary proof. But I am not asking for that here. I only ask for that when someone claims to violate the known laws of physics. This is a preponderance of the evidence thing, and I think the preponderance is on the official story, more or less as told by the media.
And I take it, no, you cannot explain why the factors that lead to the fire-caused collapse of the steel buildings I cited could not have been present in the WTC 7 collapse? All I have to say is, well, the NIST concluded fire caused the WTC7 collapse, and there is a precedent for fire causing steel buildings to collapse, so I do not see a huge problem. Until you can point out what exactly the problem is, you can fuck off.
Quote from: utilitarian on April 14, 2009, 06:34:07 PM
I am 40 and an independent, somewhat libertarian. I finished undergrad and grad school. As a business owner, I am certainly sympathetic to some fiscally conservative doctrines, but not all of them. I just think that 9/11 conspiracy theories are bullshit, and I don't believe in perpetual motion until I see it. That doesn't make me a Republican.
You do not have to aplogize for your sentence structure. Write how you like. But saying you do it on purpose is a cop out. You write in a lazy, easy style favored by 9th graders, and I bet you could not write in the correct manner if you tried. And I am sorry to say, but your writing does expose your low level of education. But hey, Bill Gates dropped out of college, so who cares, right? I am sure you are doing fine.
And yes, extraordinary claims do require extraordinary proof. But I am not asking for that here. I only ask for that when someone claims to violate the known laws of physics. This is a preponderance of the evidence thing, and I think the preponderance is on the official story, more or less as told by the media.
And I take it, no, you cannot explain why the factors that lead to the fire-caused collapse of the steel buildings I cited could not have been present in the WTC 7 collapse? All I have to say is, well, the NIST concluded fire caused the WTC7 collapse, and there is a precedent for fire causing steel buildings to collapse, so I do not see a huge problem. Until you can point out what exactly the problem is, you can fuck off.
i don't care what you did on who, you're still a dipshit... it was meant to demonstrate to you how far off your own suspicions were. you went to grad school and you're still not intelligent...
what? capitalize proper nouns and the start of a sentence? i don't capitalize proper nouns or 'i' because i think it's vain and shows hubris. if you can't tell where one sentence ends and the next starts by the punctuation then you're a dipshit...
no, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EXTRAORDINARY PROOF. carl sagan should have been slapped silly for saying that. i should think someone who is lecturing someone else on english should realize this, or perhaps you meant grammar? which is traditionally syntax and morphology...
ahh but you try and misdirect again, those tactics might work with 9th graders ;) not with me, your attempts at evoking emotional response are noted and laughed at.
which way was it? oh dancing mental midget. do we care about other buildings or not?
Third time around:
9/11 Commission Counsel: Government Agreed to Lie About 9/11
" New book from man tasked by government to help investigate attacks unveils how “official story is almost entirely untrueâ€
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911-commission-counsel-government-agreed-to-lie-about-911.html
Gee...I wonder what this means ??
Regards...
More and more people are waking up to the fact that 9/11 was no even an inside job but a mossad job.
See www.911missinglinks.com and learn the truth.
Mossad are just a branch of the sociopathic elite ruling class bugler.
Who knows if they are also puppets for an off planet threat to humanity, as has been postulated ?
I'm still collecting info on that concept...so I can't draw any conclusion.
Regards...
Off planet? Perhaps, but close by. According to the bible, satan and his once angelic followers are thrown down to the "vicinity of the earth" knowing they have but little time. Of course, they will use any humans that they can co-opt, but manage to work best through zionists, other antiChrists and their hosts. It is as foretold.
Read up on what will happen when the world rulers, military commanders and the like, see the sign of the coming of Yeshua, Jesus Christ, in the heavens....
It is all spelled out via the links in my sig.
TS
Building 7 issue cleared up, following suspicious death of eye witness whistleblower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI&feature=player_embedded
Source here...
http://edwardrynearson.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/new-information-on-the-death-of-911-eyewitness-barry-jennings/
Regards...
Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:
Source...
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_solved118.html
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 19, 2009, 11:51:14 AM
Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:
Source...
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_solved118.html
LOL. We enjoy good spircay theories, but please, Cossiga's last term ended in 1992. He don't know more than anyone else. He just makes stuff up half the time. He is kind of regarded funny over there about that. I have been to Italy, and people think he is sort of a nutjob. Though all the Italians do hate us.
Tesla was a nutjob too...as was Martin Luther King...and so was Jesus Christ...remember ?
History is full of them...the list is endless.
Even Monica Lewinsky was...until she was vindicated by her unwashed dress.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2009, 05:48:06 PM
Dubble post required:
9/11 Commission Counsel: Government Agreed to Lie About 9/11
" New book from man tasked by government to help investigate attacks unveils how “official story is almost entirely untrueâ€
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911-commission-counsel-government-agreed-to-lie-about-911.html
Gee...I wonder what this means ??
Regards...
Hi Cap,
I guess someone is profiting of another conspiracy book deal ........
The story source of the article from a Alex Jones web site ....... maybe a more reliable source is needed .....
Alex Jones Exposed! with Confession (http://www.opposingdigits.com/alex/)
Humm .............. what does this mean ............
I'd say its more the case of another coward feeling secure enough to tell waht really happened to make money.
He and his kind are nothing than opportunistic parasites.
The cockroaches are all coming out of the woodwork now.
I think we can now safely move beyond the term 'conspiracy theory' as it relates to who was responsible for 911.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 19, 2009, 07:12:36 PM
I think we can now safely move beyond the term 'conspiracy theory' as it relates to who was responsible for 911.
Regards...
LOL yes if by "we" you mean "you." Cuz nobody but you believes the americanrevolutionaryfreepressbullshit.com.
And being called a nutjob is not necessarily sign of genius. "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." ---- Carl Sagan
If you wish to believe everybody is a clown, then I guess the laff is on ewe...as in sheep. :)
Over an' out.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 19, 2009, 08:18:02 PM
If you wish to believe everybody is a clown, then I guess the laff is on ewe...as in sheep. :)
Over an' out.
Regards...
LOLs. You are the one who said........ "Here's all the evidence needed." Nice evidence - testimony from someone not in power about what they think happened. Not what they witnessed, but what they thought.
Hey, we can call call americanfreerevolotionaryhoardyourweapons.com and tell them what we think. So, fricking, what! I can call them and tell them I think you did it, LOL.
Your evidence suxxor!!!11!
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 16, 2009, 02:36:15 PM
Mossad are just a branch of the sociopathic elite ruling class bugler.
Who knows if they are also puppets for an off planet threat to humanity, as has been postulated ?
I'm still collecting info on that concept...so I can't draw any conclusion.
Regards...
OMG, I just read this. You actually are spending time to see if aliens are commanding the Mossad. LOLOLOLOLs. What fricking evidence are you gathering to support that hyopothezis? You calling ET about this one? Searching Area 51?
Why don't you just come out and say what you mean. You, like buggerler over there, just hates you some Jewz. "We gots to get rids of these Jewz who are in charge and control everything." right? "All the governmentz is juts Jewz puppeteses" right? OMG, "its all the Jewses fault!" And they control Hollywood too, right? Those damn Jewses, thay pwns da everythin!
You two jew-hating bigots deserves each other.
*lights match*
@forsalebabyshoesneverworn
do you have a oppinion? or do you just spank about your nicely formed sentences? is there anything you do to make the world a better place?
We're all the product of the media we consume - yours is comedy, and perhaps pron, is it?
calm down - thermite is scientificaly proof that something went wrong for someone on 9/11
Cap can think whatever he wants, as you can do, thermite is nothing to speculate about anymore, we should concentrate on this and the implications,
thats what the thread is about. Ufos/Jews/Money-laundaring-CIA/Artificial-by-products-in-your-daily-McDonalds-Food/OilLobbying plays into it but is not necessarily the kind of argument that is well accepted by the Media-thaugth-general-public
They show up just to create a distraction from the the very issue that you re intruduced reada.
Now they have to create another...resetting the thread direction makes their work harder.
'Lets see if we can put a wet blanket over that nano thermite...maybe people will forget it was there.'
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 20, 2009, 06:44:27 AM
They show up just to create a distraction from the the very issue that you re intruduced reada.
Now they have to create another...resetting the thread direction makes their work harder.
'Lets see if we can put a wet blanket over that nano thermite...maybe people will forget it was there.'
Regards...
Um, I do not care about the thermite...... Personally, I just think its more bullshiats, but if you want to believe it..... well I dont care if you believe it or not.
But what I find funny is you guys take this crap all seriously, and then you blame the Jews. It's like you try to be scientiifc, but then you think - on noes ----- JEWS! DA JEWS DIDS ITS! And all your logic just flies out the windowses and you get Jew/Mossad/Zionist crazy loons raving.
Think I am lying? Look what buggerer has written in the past.... http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6778.msg157938#msg157938 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6778.msg157938#msg157938)
"The eternal victims, the jews, are behind everything terrible happening in the world.
They own the media, banks, corporations, etc.
they manipulate us .
See EricHufschmid.net for information on the jewish criminal network."
And you guys are agreeing with this crazy asshole!
LOL, ok crazy persons, the Jews really screwed you overs! Maybe if you gots yourself a job, you could have some moneys too!
;D ;D ;D
there is proof it was thermite - i think you are even to weird to have a baby, right?
THERMITE THERMITE THERMITE
who cares about Jews if we have THERMITE we can blame it on, its even better, cause there are numbers - do you know what i mean with NUMBERS?
What is your obsession with Jews, weirdo?
Boy, i wish i could return to my planet, this one seems out of Brains
/reada
*closes toilet lid down on trolls head - flushes*
Let this be a lesson to you Capt: You created the distraction yourself, by allowing the "hot button" of "ethnicity" to be brought in.
It is very self-limiting, as you will get opposition from those who would otherwise agree with you on the basic facts. Let people see these things, and go study them more for themselves (which should be the point of posting these threads). Then they will likely soon enough see that stuff about Mossad, and decide to reject or accept it on their own, without you having to mention it and muck-up the main points with racism.
Personally i despise it when people take a vitally important subject like 9/11, and turn it into a rant against Jewish people. This i've seen over and over on other sites. There are evil bastards of EVERY walk of life and ethnicity out there... And the ones who were responsible for the cover-up, if not the entire affair, are American WASP's, who probably wouldn't let Jews join their country clubs if they could get away with it.
Sometimes i think this "change of subject" is done deliberatly... Because it certainly acts as an overall negative.
So my recommendation to you is to keep to the basic facts, there are certainly enough of them, and don't bring up the other highly controversial (within the movement itself) crap related to Israel. The only people this added stuff would sway are "Jew-haters" anyway. And there are millions of others out there that it will only turn off; and who will instead begin to question your motives.
Take it as a word to the wise: Stay away from these "distractions" regarding Israel at all costs. If people mention them, delete the post if you can or just ignore them.
You're almost as bad as the troll with your post adding fuel to the troll.
Was that your intent ?
You have been nitpicking and cherry picking my posts for far too long...why don't you move along also...because I will not be responding to any more of your cryptic baiting.
I clearly stated the Mossad was a branch of the sociopathic elite that pull all the strings.
And have stated the same about the CIA, FBI, and the list goes on.
None of those criminal organizations are representative of any ethnic group...which I have stated on numerous occasions...which you would know, as you seem to be an avid reader of my threads and posts.
You like are playing word games...no more with me though.
You are missing the point and taking it all way too personally... Take it from me that is NOT the way to win debates, m8.
It is not what YOU are saying about it personally.. It is about allowing the topic to get changed in the first place to side-subjects that detract from the main message and cause loss of interest that is the problem, and thus allowing the negative emotions to enter into the equation.
None of us "own" these topics; they are NOT replication threads. If you don't like my comments, that is "regretful". But placating you is not my priority here:
Letting people know that 9/11 Truthers ARE NOT RACIST IDIOTS is.... Get it? This is no reflection on you, this is about tactics and getting the maximum amount of people to study these things on their own, and not turning them off with bad-smelling inferences about Jewish people that are heatedly denied by the MAJORITY of 9/11 Truthers. Maybe this is not being fair to you: But that is not the point... Getting in the above paragraph is the point ;)
Everything is about "Perception".. Not about "truth", OK? If people perceive comments about Mossad and Israel as being "racist-based", then they ARE. The sad fact is that this topic is too emotionally laden in most people's minds to be viewed objectively. Go to the place i often publish at, "Op Ed News" and look back at all the Gaza articles and comments from a few months ago: It was a bloody war... Among Progressives / Liberals themselves on this topic. It soon became apparent that there was NO WAY to criticize Israel without being called "racist" with many normally-intelligent peeps. That was of course ridiculous; but that's how it goes with emotion-loaded subjects.
And complaining about someone coming along with contrary comments in an open forum, is like going to a paint-ball "combat range" and complaining people are shooting at you ;)
I am deeply offended by your "shill" accusation, lol: I am way better at debate than any shill i have ever ran across yet, and i've seen quite a few (hehehe).
If i have "cherry-picked" in the past, it is because arguing with you was not in the best interest of the cause... One that we mostly share. Getting the last word in doesn't always help, and debate for its own sake can serve to water-down what was already said, and can lower the total value (lol i should sell Plans for "winning political debates" for $50 Plus Shipping ;) ).
Debate ??
With a troll ??
You are the distraction...please stay out of my threads...I am tired of your brand of distraction.
Who really wins ??
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 20, 2009, 06:01:06 PM
Debate ??
With a troll ??
You are the distraction...please stay out of my threads...I am tired of your brand of distraction.
Wow...... anyone that disagrees with any part of your theory is now a trolls! That nice man was just merely esplaining how maybe it is not all the Mossads/Jewses/Zionistses fault, and now he is a trolls! You started out blaming termites. Termites do not have races. The termites that took down the towers are probably all from the USA, because termites do not travel far too attack stuff. So do not say the Israel guys took termites here and used them to destroy uSA buildings.
911 spircay have many diffent opinians. Many theries. As many theries as there are people. 19 arab hijackers is another spricay theories. Many good theries. Some people says space aliens beamed down death rayses and there were no planeses. Some people says that Bush is a secret reptile. Some people say there were no buildings, but all buildings were really holographs, and evil BUSH and governement made up people who worked there, and then one day just turned off the holographs to "destroy" the buildings. Do you call them trolls too??? Every theory is as good as any other theory...... NO THEORY IS BEST!!!! Yours is just one theory. It is a good theory (except for blaming the jewish Mossad, that is racist), but no better than the other million theories. But it is no worse either, so do not feel sad!
*sprays copious amounts of 'Troll Off' *
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 20, 2009, 06:58:55 PM
*sprays copious amounts of 'Troll Off' *
LOLs. Please donot try to belittle. I am not tryign to be like a trolls. I said that I think that you theory about termites being set to destroy foundations is good. Termites hard to detect and very clever. Very possible. Just do not blame Jewish Mossad, and do not criticize other terhries that are JUST AS GOOD AS YOURS. Live and let live. There are many truths, and this board is about living with truths. You have your truth. I have my truth. Every person has OWN theory of 9/11. Because not all evidences is out there. You just another person on Internets reading boards. We get our truth on same Internets as you. Unless you have down OWN forensic research, we are all same boats. It is just matter of what evidence YOU believes!!!
*sips on green tea...puts feet up*
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 20, 2009, 08:23:27 PM
*sips on green tea...puts feet up*
Fine if you not wants to engage in spirited discussions. Just do not pretend you smarter. You just read different conspiracy websites than I do, so you believe diffrent stuffs.
*relieves self in troll's water dish*
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 20, 2009, 08:41:39 PM
*relieves self in troll's water dish*
Stay classy, Captain.
*refills trolls dish wearing top hat and tux*
I wasn't going to say this, but its obvious to note, if you tell the truth some word smith will come along and do psych ops on you negating with well planted words to frustrate you and at least give the appearance that your not quite right. We have so many triggers right now its easier to do then say in Tesla's time, when they needed to create the triggers in person, all we need to use is words like conspiracy and people go oh my not another one, get away , and of coarse bush him self said we are not going to entertain wild conspiracy's, and they will be suppressed, all the time creating one of the greatest conspiracy's ever, the eval elqida are out to get you, I am your only hope.... give me your money and relinquish your rights so I can protect you..... buggy buggy, and 80% fell down and worshiped at his thrown ....we are to easy. sorry I am still chuckling, its almost to sad, if it weren't for the blood that has been shed on our home land and allarount d the planet, it might even be funny, the great Oz has spoken, ignore the moron behind the curtain with the strings attached to his brain and carry on the killings, the means justifies the end... God do help us! And yes there was independent findings of thermite in the molten metal below the twin towers, what I am wondering is if the towers were the center of trade, the depository bank for internation trade, beyond the 3,000 dead, what happened to the deposits..... in the subbasement? and why would any one pay double indemnity to silverston for buildings that were already condemned for asbestos? if the powers that be are not complicate why wasn't there a real investigation? why was black water thereall week before the demo, I mean attack of coarse... way to many question's, and still no real answers from those that claim to be in authority, sorry I needed to say it..
They hung their former collaborator Sadam Hussein as quickly as they could to keep him from telling all he knew...they assassinated anyone willing to blow the whistle.
Now its time to hang the painfully obvious perpetrators...after they have a fair trial of course...which is more than their victims received.
Until 'We The People' seize control of the media and get the truth out, no one will lift a finger.
After all as long as they continue to get their daily conditioning in front of the TV their mindset will not change.
Regards...
It's all here .... see for yourself ....
Excellent pic fuzzy...I see big Tshirt sales there.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 22, 2009, 03:34:42 PM
Excellent pic fuzzy...I see big Tshirt sales there.
Regards...
911 by the french humorist bigard
in french but subtitle in english
the last one
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/JeanMarieBigard/video/xa0kqv_bigard-11-septembre-5-bush-a-lecole_fun
and others videos
http://www.voltairenet.org/article161136.html
Thanks tagor...I wish I could understand french, as I can't read the white subtitles in front of his white shirt.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 31, 2009, 06:34:44 AM
Thanks tagor...I wish I could understand french, as I can't read the white subtitles in front of his white shirt.
Regards...
another one
http://www.bigard.com/
He's got the white shirt and white subtitles in this one too.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 07, 2009, 05:55:22 AM
He's got the white shirt and white subtitles in this one too.
Regards...
here :
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/JeanMarieBigard/video/xa31xs_bigard-11-septembre-6-ben-laden-en_fun
( more easy to read)
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hello ! episode 6
2 good news for you
you'll be able to see from 7th to 11th episode all at once
1 give them all out because we're going on vacations!
with my FBI' friends
second good news They're my buddies now!
they're great! you know why?
because last year september 9th
i said a bit too fast...
on europe1 , laurent ruquier show
i said al quaida ben laden ...
they weren't responsable for 9/11!
i spoke too fast!
i should have said : i find this version very disturbing!
understood ?!?!
now that's why i'm friend with the FBI...
they proved i was right...
go on the FBI website...
ben laden is accused of everything...
most wanted terrorist...
but not for the 6/11!
so we asked them: how come he's not responsable?
FBI answers : becausez there's no proof!
unbelievable!
funny detail...
the following days after 9/11.. there wasn't a plane in the american' sky
there was only one ...
travelling back home... ben laden's familly!
funny isn't it?
that's why US army went to afghanistan!
to look for ben laden...
eventhough FBI have no proof against him!
they're going to search him for 2 years!
he's suppose to be in an afghan' cave
james bond' like... with elevators and all...
they even draw the cave... which never existed!
after 2 years they're about to grab him!
bummer! believe me or not...
he managed to escape with mullah omar.. on a moped!
a moped!!!
americans didn't expect the afghan' moped...
of being so powerfull! nasty!
the afghan' moped eats three F16 for breakfast!
speeding mac 3...
they couldn't suspect anything...here he goes!
it could end there...
but bush said: let's go to irak!
that's surely where al qaeda is hiding!
as well as weapons of mass destruction!
so they go...in fact they don't...
they're told to wait...
we need to check first!
they send inspectors...
and they returned saying: ther was no weapons of mass destruction!
bush said: of course ther is! let's go!
chirac our president was great...
he said: before we go let's check one more time
inspectors go again...
we looked everwhere no WMD!
bush asked them: are you sure?
sure sure!
so bush said: ok we're going anyway!
what a great guy Mr bush!
i won't mention c powell's sugar specimen...
i skip it!
ladies and gentlemen see you for next episode!
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 07, 2009, 05:55:22 AM
He's got the white shirt and white subtitles in this one too.
Regards...
all the videos here ( easy to read)
http://www.bigard.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=82
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200089/Call-Delores-says-MI5-whistleblower-David-Shayler.html#comments
David looking out over the Thames, pictured back when he'd left MI5 and made various claims about the secret service's activities
'The government is imposing laws on us without our consent - the government cannot enforce laws onto us without our consent.
'It is our common law right to be here. When we arrived here there was no one here and the buildings were falling to rack and ruin.
'We are saving this building.'
In recent years Mr Shayler has stated that the that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the American government.
He appears to mirror the thoughts of former sports presenter David Icke who once claimed 9/11 was arranged by the 'Global Elite' and that George Bush , the Queen and singers Kris Kristofferson and Boxcar Willie were 'Reptilian figures.'
Shayler spoke with genuine sadness about the ending of his relationship with fellow spy Annie Machon when he said:
'One of the hardest things about leaving my other life was leaving the love of my life Annie.
'She stuck with me through everything and we spent some intense times together. But she soon realised that my spirit was devoted to God and God only. It was the hardest thing to give up ....but I am Jesus Christ and I now rule everything.
'Since I've joined the Rainbow Movement I've never looked back.
'My life is so much better now.'
Last night Miss Machon - who split from Mr Shayler in December 2006 - blamed others for his desperate plight, saying:
'He was imprisoned twice - in France and in this country - for being a whistelblower and this is what has happened to him now.
'I hope for his own sake he can find happiness in some way. '
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200089/Call-Delores-says-MI5-whistleblower-David-Shayler.html#comments#ixzz0O0YHVIOs