What does a "kick" look like on an oscilloscope?
Does it look like the attached image?
I'll take the "silence" as a "yes".
Thanks Much
hey
i see HERE RESONANCE
THE KICK MAST BE WHITOUT RESONANCE
CLEAN :)
Quote from: MACEDONIA CD on April 30, 2009, 05:21:26 PM
hey
i see HERE RESONANCE
THE KICK MAST BE WHITOUT RESONANCE
CLEAN :)
The appearance depends on what you are doing and how you are looking. The image here is of a burst of oscillations - not resonance.
On an oscilloscope, that is several kicks. The "kick" is an oscillation on an oscilloscope and an anomolous signal that may spread across a range of freqencies when viewed on a spectrum analyzer.
I have been seeing this for a long time, without knowing what it is. The "kick" is right in front of me the whole time.
@Grumpy
First of all, I want you to know that I am not trying to start one of our (in)famous arguments. ;D
A simple problem exists, and that is one of definition. Without a definition of exactly what a "kick" is, any spike or oscillation could be claimed as one on a scope shot.
At this point, we could truthfully have ten thousand claims about what a "kick" is, with its associated screen shot demonstration, and it means nothing unless it is the effect SM was describing as a "kick". If SM referred to older usages of the word, then a kick has to do with current.
If he was using a home-brew, self imposed definition for the word, then we might as well drop the concept of proving the "kick" until further information becomes available, as we will never truly know for certain.
Similar to Mace, I see simple oscillations which may or may not be aberrant, and may have a multitude of explanation.
Notice that I am NOT stating your observance of irregular oscillation is irrelevant. What I am saying is that there is no way to prove whether they are in fact SM's kicks.
They probably do contain great significance.
SM was none too clear, as he directly referred to a document which described the kick as an inrush current, then spoke of the kicks as if they were a voltage based phenomena and not a current based phenomena.
Paul Andrulis
@Grumpy
By the way, previously, you tried to remove some of the noise from my thinking. In doing so, you tried to move a donkey by pulling on the rope. Next time use a BB gun shot in the butt, as it is more effective. :o
It has taken 6 months, but some noise has definitively been removed. I have had to shake down quite a bit of my "understanding" of reality.
Paul Andrulis
Everyone can believe what they wish. They can cast doubts, assumptions, arguments, and anything else they can think of.
At this point, anything the nay-say-ers say or do is irrelevant.
If no one else believes that this is what a "kick" looks like, then they may continue to chase their own shadows and dreams.
That is the infamous "kick", Paul. What would it look like on a spectrum analyzer?
Quote from: pauldude000 on May 02, 2009, 02:21:30 AM
@Grumpy
First of all, I want you to know that I am not trying to start one of our (in)famous arguments. ;D
A simple problem exists, and that is one of definition. Without a definition of exactly what a "kick" is, any spike or oscillation could be claimed as one on a scope shot.
At this point, we could truthfully have ten thousand claims about what a "kick" is, with its associated screen shot demonstration, and it means nothing unless it is the effect SM was describing as a "kick". If SM referred to older usages of the word, then a kick has to do with current.
If he was using a home-brew, self imposed definition for the word, then we might as well drop the concept of proving the "kick" until further information becomes available, as we will never truly know for certain.
Similar to Mace, I see simple oscillations which may or may not be aberrant, and may have a multitude of explanation.
Notice that I am NOT stating your observance of irregular oscillation is irrelevant. What I am saying is that there is no way to prove whether they are in fact SM's kicks.
They probably do contain great significance.
SM was none too clear, as he directly referred to a document which described the kick as an inrush current, then spoke of the kicks as if they were a voltage based phenomena and not a current based phenomena.
Paul Andrulis
I believe that SM described what the kick looks like on a spectrum analyzer - not on an oscilloscope. When he explained that you start to get kicks and then the little kicks combine into one big kick - this is what appears on a spectrum analyzer. On a spectrum analyzer, the "big kick" is a region of "continuous spectrum", and a single kick is a spike.
Now, Loner, what sources produce a "continuous spectrum"?
On an oscilloscope, a continuous spectrum - which must have positive and negative harmonics - looks like an oscillation.
This only took about 3 years to figure out, but better late than never.
The voltage level of the scope shot that I posted is irrelevent. I only wanted to show the signal itself.
That scope shot can be garnered from many HV discharges and is produced by a burst of impulses.
Quote from: Grumpy on May 05, 2009, 09:23:34 AM
I believe that SM described what the kick looks like on a spectrum analyzer - not on an oscilloscope. When he explained that you start to get kicks and then the little kicks combine into one big kick - this is what appears on a spectrum analyzer. On a spectrum analyzer, the "big kick" is a region of "continuous spectrum", and a single kick is a spike.
Now, Loner, what sources produce a "continuous spectrum"?
On an oscilloscope, a continuous spectrum - which must have positive and negative harmonics - looks like an oscillation.
This only took about 3 years to figure out, but better late than never.
The voltage level of the scope shot that I posted is irrelevent. I only wanted to show the signal itself.
We don't make them. We acquire them by getting a reverb like feedback when in tune.
Planet Earth talks this language all the time in kinetics, like Earthquakes and tidal waves. The Earthquake starts it and the kinetic after shocks create havoc.
In tune means the point of lowest resistance, obstruction. If the coil is not tuned it becomes the obstruction when the return happens. But you can't get the return if you didn't generate the correct 'Q'. There is only one language. Consider it like using a megaphone in an echo chamber. You really don't want to yell. In fact you don't have too.
And if the source is in step, in harmony with the return haven't we all experienced that?
QuoteWhen two or more come together...
--giantkiller.
@Grumpy
I think if you want to see a kick you should begin with the most simplistic setup, so Tube, build a simple amplifier with only one stage. SM pointed some reference when he talked about Kick so the "Kick" is not a hard thing too see, he stated too that a cold or hot tube make no difference, the kick happen when you open the switch and when you close it.
You need to know who are SM to understand what he is talking about. What he like the most is what he experiment the most and that should be your priority to focus on.
Another thing who is realy important to understand is HOW he found the principle of the TPU. Why he mixed some frequency, what was the first purpose of doing this. 3D sound audio system ? what mean intermodulation distortion to you ?
Best regards,
IceStorm
Edit : i forgot to add something that i think is realy important. Dont get confuse with the 5kHertz DC output SM talked, that dont mean the input is at 5kHertz at all , you can have a input signal of 120hertz and a output at 240hertz or 480hertz or etc etc and in the reverse too , 120hertz in , 60hertz out, frequency doubler/frequency divider. you can sum it too and substract them.
Quote from: IceStorm on May 09, 2009, 06:17:16 PM
@Grumpy
I think if you want to see a kick you should begin with the most simplistic setup, so Tube, build a simple amplifier with only one stage. SM pointed some reference when he talked about Kick so the "Kick" is not a hard thing too see, he stated too that a cold or hot tube make no difference, the kick happen when you open the switch and when you close it.
You need to know who are SM to understand what he is talking about. What he like the most is what he experiment the most and that should be your priority to focus on.
Another thing who is realy important to understand is HOW he found the principle of the TPU. Why he mixed some frequency, what was the first purpose of doing this. 3D sound audio system ? what mean intermodulation distortion to you ?
Best regards,
IceStorm
Edit : i forgot to add something that i think is realy important. Dont get confuse with the 5kHertz DC output SM talked, that dont mean the input is at 5kHertz at all , you can have a input signal of 120hertz and a output at 240hertz or 480hertz or etc etc and in the reverse too , 120hertz in , 60hertz out, frequency doubler/frequency divider. you can sum it too and substract them.
The kick is every time electricity is in a wire. It is sometimes filtered out, most of the time ignored. It can only be seen with a Spectrum analyzer. It grows in Amplitude with the bias. It is harmonic distortion. It is everywhere and in everything.
Google it. Look at it. Study it. What causes it? Hmmm... I wonder. How can we use it....Hmmm... I wonder. Gee, let's study it, then move on to photons, or magic pixie dust, or exploding black holes powering the TPU.
Show them and they still don't believe it. Right in from of their freakin' eyes.
Pisses me off.
Google second harmonic amplitude, harmonic generators, harmonic distortion, intermodulation, EM waves. EM waves effects on harmonic distortion, white noise, etc.
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I hope you like "humble pie".
Here is one of the schematics i have been trying. :)
It's a very simple setup and it involves the iron delay coil and a saturable reactor.
The switch speed of the mosfet >35ns is too slow and the duty cycle of the timing unit is horrible, it stays on too long causing the wasted energy to heat up the reactor not good.
I have tried to tweak it all a bit but it seems to be impossible and that is why i am designing and building a whole new circuit.
You want the initial pulse to be as short as possible and the delay has to be right too, and that is why i have put in the magnetic compression.
This setup is to see the kick ,it does not run in OU mode because the wasted heat and the methode of timing,discharging a cap into a resistor etc, are a all great loss.
Then wrap a copper and the delay coil put it on the output of the reactor and pulse it so you can see the initial pulse and the delayed pulse on the scope.
I'm still quite uncertain if the DC resistance of both coils has to be equal but i think so or at least i am using it that way.
Then when the delay is nicely, hook up a bifilar coil in series with the iron and the copper coil and scope both channels on a dual band scope.
Or use a trifilar coil and just hook up the extra winding to a one channel scope if you do not have a two channel.
The kick shows up on top of the second pulse due to the inductive kickback from the reactor dicharging through the copper and iron coils.
I will post the new circuit whenever it is finished.
Marco.
HERE ARE KICKS THOUSANDS AND THE MASSIVE
CURRENT KICK ... :P
I DID THIS SOME TIME AGO .... LOL
THIS IS DONE FROM A HALF DEAD AA BATTERY ....
IST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=068l0trm6TI&feature=related
I CAN AMP THIS BY INFINITY IF YOU REALLY WANT .... ;)
LOL
HOW BOUT 10 000 TIMES WILL THAT BE CONSIDERED PROOF ?!?!?!?! LOL
:D
IN THIS PICTURE SHOWEN BELOW IS MY ENTIRE CURCUIT THAT CAUSES THOUSANDS OF KICKS AND A BIG CURRENT KICK ...
;D
1 TRANSISTOR.... 8)
Hello all,
@marco,
Im really glad that youre still with us.
Otto
It is not possible to see the kick on an oscilloscope as such, you can see the implosive effect it has on a current carrying wire, it is the Comp pulse that can be seen on the scope, and it is the comp pulse that can create the kick under certain circumstances, the kick can be thought of as a sonic boom very much like an aeroplane breaking the sound barrier.
The comp pulse and the kick occur randomly and out of control during arcing of spark gaps due to the leakage currents in plasma flow.
@ MARCO ...
RAISE THE GATE VOLTAGE TO INCREASE THE OFF TIME OF THE FET..... ;)
I HEAR 30VDC WORKS WELL :P
IST!
TRY A MK2 DRIVEING IT .... :)
I HAVE YET TO RUN THIS UNIT ... BUT I KNOW IT WORKS JUST FINE ..... LOL
I EXPECT MY OUT PUT FROM A HALF DEAD AA TO BE WELL OVER 100VDC ... AT A HIGH FREQ ...
WELCOME TO THE IST TIME DIFFRENCIAL COIL ... 8)
IT RUN 2 TIME .... :D
Quote from: Peterae on May 22, 2009, 09:49:48 AM
It is not possible to see the kick on an oscilloscope as such, you can see the implosive effect it has on a current carrying wire, it is the Comp pulse that can be seen on the scope, and it is the comp pulse that can create the kick under certain circumstances, the kick can be thought of as a sonic boom very much like an aeroplane breaking the sound barrier.
The comp pulse and the kick occur randomly and out of control during arcing of spark gaps due to the leakage currents in plasma flow.
http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/fogal_device/fogal.htm
WATCH THIS VIDEO ... LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL1_4rbySa8
YEP ... NEED I SAY MORE ...
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ILL SELL YOU 1 .... ;D
IST!
Well well :) if it isn't the innovation station....
Peterae and poynt99's contribution.
First produced in early March, 2009...based on spherics info. See "Towards Realizing the TPU" document for a setup to start.
It's the second sharp spike (COMP Pulse?) in the scope shot.
"Would you like some soup with your soliton?"
.99
:o
Somebody found a kick!
LOOKS LIKE THE MAKEINGS OF A WONDERFUL MEAL ....
99
;D
PEACE BROS .... ;)
IST!
Ist
YES I do want to understand the TPU .
If you have one,can you throw a rag over it[for privacy] and light a 100 watt bulb,or run a drill or a TV?[just a short vid]
Then we can talk.
Chet
Oh Dear....here we go again....what is it?
Now they have to invite Peterae to work for them too!
Nice going Darren. :-\
just listen to spherics
Great a Compfield. :)
I can paste mine right in.
Those are from out of phase transformer experiment two years ago and it was just dismissed as being saturation whilst i knew better.
Nice 1 Compfield Love the name LOL
I notice your timing is slightly out hence your little second pulse after it.I guess your controller adjustments are quiet coarse. i have the ability for 250pS adjustments.
;)
Peter
Is everyone sure that is a kick and not just a compressed pulse or measuring anomaly?
Attached is a compressed pulse - for example.
Quote from: Grumpy on June 21, 2009, 05:50:50 PM
Is everyone sure that is a kick and not just a compressed pulse or measuring anomaly?
Attached is a compressed pulse - for example.
Credit goes to BEP for the "soliton" insight.
All efforts are being made to determine that this "pulse" is not some measurement artifact, and so far all indicators are that it is real and that it is a Soliton Pulse. Whether this pulse is ou or abnormal in any way is still to be determined.
I would assume that the late-comers are also making these efforts, and not jumping to unfounded conclusions.
.99
Quote from: Peterae on June 21, 2009, 04:12:56 PM
Nice 1 Compfield Love the name LOL
I notice your timing is slightly out hence your little second pulse after it.I guess your controller adjustments are quiet coarse. i have the ability for 250pS adjustments.
;)
Peter
nice observations peter
you are correct about the timing issue,
coarse indeed (1-5 ns stepping),
needed better resolution,
which is coming
8)
Quote from: poynt99 on June 21, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
Credit goes to BEP for the "soliton" insight.
All efforts are being made to determine that this "pulse" is not some measurement artifact, and so far all indicators are that it is real and that it is a Soliton Pulse. Whether this pulse is ou or abnormal in any way is still to be determined.
I would assume that the late-comers are also making these efforts, and not jumping to unfounded conclusions.
.99
Isn't a soliton pulse a closed current, same as a travelling wave?
The JLN example - http://jnaudin.free.fr/spgen/index.htm - is using a primary and secondary. The firing pulse and Solitons are not in the same coil. The JLN layout is difficult to derive any usable power and allows the easier method of firing with a single pulse.
That one uses a coil that forces extra nodes/anti-nodes by the winding method.
The one posted by .99 uses a solenoid wound coil. No trickery in the wind. However, you can get the same results on this type of coil by jamming one pulse after another. The main difference is no secondary is required and it can be a closed circuit.
My goal on such an arrangement would be to have two or more such coils compressing the space between them and driving all coils with timing that would continue the same sequence. This should cause the lowest point of the waves to continue away from zero. In other words - DC.
Like .99 has said - this still can be a wiring or device anomaly - at this point I doubt it.
Yes, this thing is an oxymoron. It is a traveling standing wave with no reflected wave. Very little, if any flyback should be visible. The reflection of circular polarization is reverse rotation. The wave and the reflection should pass right through one another, if you can find something that will reflect it.
OU or not these waves are interesting to work with.
Quote from: BEP on June 21, 2009, 08:30:25 PM
The JLN example - http://jnaudin.free.fr/spgen/index.htm - is using a primary and secondary. The firing pulse and Solitons are not in the same coil. The JLN layout is difficult to derive any usable power and allows the easier method of firing with a single pulse.
That one uses a coil that forces extra nodes/anti-nodes by the winding method.
The one posted by .99 uses a solenoid wound coil. No trickery in the wind. However, you can get the same results on this type of coil by jamming one pulse after another. The main difference is no secondary is required and it can be a closed circuit.
My goal on such an arrangement would be to have two or more such coils compressing the space between them and driving all coils with timing that would continue the same sequence. This should cause the lowest point of the waves to continue away from zero. In other words - DC.
Like .99 has said - this still can be a wiring or device anomaly - at this point I doubt it.
Yes, this thing is an oxymoron. It is a traveling standing wave with no reflected wave. Very little, if any flyback should be visible. The reflection of circular polarization is reverse rotation. The wave and the reflection should pass right through one another, if you can find something that will reflect it.
OU or not these waves are interesting to work with.
is it the end or the means to an end?
Quote from: Grumpy on June 21, 2009, 08:38:47 PM
is it the end or the means to an end?
Best guess... it is an example of one thing that might be going on in a real TPU. It seems to fit the canons firing canons idea. If the timing is right CEMF is less of a problem. The window is opened upon the first shot. Why not fire more through it before it closes?
Maybe this will lead to 'raising the hose' and 'squeezing the hose'. Who knows.
I was just asked for an opinion. I'm not taking the same route. All I've succeeded in doing is melting the insulation off a winding due to unusually high voltage. I'm back on the drawing board.
Podkletnov and Obolensky have nailed this in previous years:
QuoteIt is a traveling standing wave with no reflected wave. Very little, if any flyback should be visible. The reflection of circular polarization is reverse rotation. The wave and the reflection should pass right through one another, if you can find something that will reflect it.
They resorted to identifiying 'No recoil' through pulse wave shaping and 1Mill to 10Megavolts shots.
3 modes are to
1.) get a return, Power conversion. Steven Mark.
2.) hold the effect at a distance i.e. Levitation. T.T. Brown.
3.) sending the energy away i.e. Solitron pulse with no dispersion, collimated in a 10 centimeter disc to a measured dustance of 200 kilometers. It goes through everything with no loss. Tesla reported this also. Podkletnov obliterated concrete.
Just like the smoke ring demo that Stan Deyo gave.
Now the fun really begins.
Yes, friends and countrymen, but there is something that the kick disperses and you can't buy it at the local hardware store.
Hint:
It is not deflected by electric or magnetic fields?
Floats like a butterfly and stings like bee.
Quote from: Grumpy on June 22, 2009, 12:52:55 AM
Yes, friends and countrymen, but there is something that the kick disperses and you can't buy it at the local hardware store.
Hint:
It is not deflected by electric or magnetic fields?
Floats like a butterfly and stings like bee.
EDIT:
and don't say that it doesn't, because it has to
Compfield
You can fine tune your coil, by carefully playing with the spacing between the turns of the coil.
I did an experiment where just applying pressure onto the coil the pulse timing changed considerably.
SM if using fixed delay lines to generate this pulse would have had a nightmare with moving turns on his coil as he didn't have the ability to re-tune his controller, so he would have first had to glue all his coils in place to stop this movement hence the abudance of white goo.
It also explains why he managed to build a working coil, but could not replicate it, you can have 2 identical coils but the pulse timing can be totally different, off-course when he finally decided to unwind his working coil he would have found no reason for the other coil not to work, so i guess he then rewound it and found it too didn't work, and then realized he had to alter the timing of his fixed delay line.
Peter
http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~donhee/IEEE_Comm_Magazine_Dec_2006.pdf
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/PHYSICSOFREALITYMANIPULATIO.htm
Quote from: wings on June 22, 2009, 07:01:38 AM
http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~donhee/IEEE_Comm_Magazine_Dec_2006.pdf
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/PHYSICSOFREALITYMANIPULATIO.htm
In LaViolette's book 'Decoding... pulsars' the appendix A describes all the possible wave overlays, drifts, amplitudes, and nulls that are exhibited in the energies that reach the Earth. What standard anomolies the astrophysicists see and can't explain with the 'Lighthouse model' are periods of ordered and chaotic transmissions. Once again the science oligarchy fails us.
And did anyone know that Pulsars are not randomnly distributed across the sky and each has it's own unique signature with intelligence imbedded within it? They are considered beacons of intelligent design and cannot be created by naturally occuring phenomina. Today's common PHduds are without a comprehensive model to decipher. In any given set of Pulsars their messages are beamed directly at us from tens of lighyear away.
QuoteThe steep electric field gradient induced within each collar gives the stream of particles a series of kicks that cause them to move forward at ever increasing speeds.
Have we not heard this before?
One has to go through alot of oysters to get the pearls.
--giantkiller. Space is not the final frontier.
Spherics speaks again...
Ah crap!
He we go again!
... buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye.
I suppose Compfield uses a flyback diode.
This shorts out the inductive kickback,but this does not mean it doesn't happen around the coil.
From the image we cannot estimate if there is more energy comming from the system then he puts in.
But we can compare the energy in vs the energy out.
If the energy in the first two pulses is compressed, the pulse get's smaller in time and the voltage rises.
From what i can see, the third spike on the screen, does not put out more then the two first combined.
This is just based upon a look at the scope shot, so in reality pherhaps,maybe there is more energy there, but it won't be much.
If this pulse happens every time, maybe it is possible to run it from a cap, and store the captured energy into another cap.
Then the answer is simple, if the second cap charges up more then the first cap.....
M.
The "mysterious pulse" has been cracked. At least I believe it has.
With a very simple addition/modification to the basic switching circuit, this is the result. No this is not a real scope shot, this is a PSpice simulation. Doubtful this is overunity, but it IS a somewhat novel impulse generator. Might be patent material, but that's not going to happen.
The only disadvantage to this as an impulse generator is the presence of the first pulse in the output.
What we are seeing in the "real" scope shots is a lot of stray inductance. Yes, that's what is responsible for production of the pulse. However, at these extreme transition times, not only are wires not wires any more (they're more like inductors), but the inductors they become also behave in a peculiar way, which allows this effect to take place.
At any rate, sorry guys if this bursts your bubble a bit, but hey, if this effect can be replicated in a simulation, surely it's not ou.
This is "conventional" electricity, albeit not used in every day applications, that's for certain. For fun I'll be working on optimizing and modifying the circuit for "spec'd" impulses.
There may be more to follow, including scope shots from the modification of a real circuit.
.99
PS. Green is the "coil" voltage (20V supply), and red and blue are the MOSFET gate voltages (12V drive).
@.99
Congratulations! It seems you have found a piece of the puzzle. Perhaps this is the reason for the HV D.C. arc that may come from an unloaded TPU?
Any ideas on the fluctuating but much lower level DC that follows this spike?
The BEMF folks will love this spike. It is the wrong polarity, isn't flyback, only has half the energy of the trigger pulse train and is generally wider than a flyback pulse. What shall we call it? XEMF maybe?
;D
BEP,
I'm certain my model is not 100% complete.
I have seen a slight negative DC shift as well as slight oscillation you mentioned in other simulations.
I need to add a little more stray inductance (flying leads) and apply a 25MHz low pass to model the scope.
Thanks for the tips that helped lead to this discovery ;)
More to come..
.99
PS. The spike created here may not in itself be ou, but what emanates from the pulsed coil may be. There are two small pulses creating one big pulse. The big pulse disappears if one of the two input pulses ceases.
Maybe this is the means to the ultimate end.
This is starting to look like it is leading us back to the simple piece of wire.
The SM mention of a piece of wire probably was a reference to a completely bare piece of a length just long enough to hold that big spike.
.99
You are doing the grunt and brain work. I'm just spouting crazy theories 8-)
Well, this is really getting interesting and fruitful. Having some fun with this.
A "piece of wire" indeed.
I have evolved the circuit and am now able to adjust the parameters of the circuit to produce a steady pulse train. Only the first pulse is at the supply voltage and of long pulse width. The subsequent pulses can be varied both in pulse width and in amplitude, but the two are inextricably-linked. The shorter the pulse width the higher the voltage.
For example, with a 20V supply, one setting produces 5ns wide pulses at about 150V. This at a PRR of 1.67MHz!
I pushed the supply up to 400V and achieved 15ns wide pulses at about 1600V. Again at a PRR of 1.67MHz. I doubt 400V would be the limit for this circuit, but certainly other methods for switching would need to be investigated. The old IRF840 can only handle about 500V.
Quite incredible how simple this circuit is yet the components are critical, and some tweaking is more than likely required. All this with two slow-switching MOSFETs.
After further research, I am convinced this circuit is patent material. I would like to disclose this circuit here but there are those (already identified) that may use it for monetary benefit. This has been discussed in another thread and now you can begin to see the effects.
I'll post some sim scope shots a little later.
.99
PS. A piece of wire ??? Not quite ;)
Yes, 1 piece of wire. 'Microwatt draw', Moray.
@gk
yes that wire pices is good reciver
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im vondering how much frek. is catch in that wire HMM
Once the pulse train stabilizes:
Vsupply = 20V
Pulse Amplitude ~ 130V
Pulse Width ~ 7ns
Pulse Repetition Rate = 5MHz
.99
I appreciate all the effort and the experimental results posted here. I wish I could of participated earlier on. Please hear me out.
Look once again at the relevant text from SM:Quote
I found the secret when I read in some books about electron tubes.
I was a TV repair man as well. Back in the days of electron tubes.
The good old days I think.
In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured
In a wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first
electrons are caused to flow in it.
This was explained because the earth's magnetic field exerted
some influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it.
Or rather the electrons on the surface of the wire.
Even today you can find examples of discussion of this fact even in non
scientific journals.
If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page
262 he says:
The inrush of current through the filament interacts with
the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.
SMALL KICK !
Those words mean a great deal.
Notice what the kick is a result of:
(INRUSH CURRENT) + (WEAK MAGNETIC FIELD OF THE EARTH) = KICK
I'm not sure how to state it more plainly then to say the kick is an imparting of momentum to the filament. Just like a coil in a magnetic field MOVES, so does the filament, it moves when it is forced to move "in a quick sharp short duration" by an impulse or (force x time)
If you have a DC current on a filament in a magnetic field, it will deflect to one side and stay there, but won't oscillate at it's natural frequency (based on how thin, long and stiff it is).
Another analogy, take a hammer and hit a bell to make it ring, you just "KICKED" the bell.
That is what a KICK is according to SM, and I'm sorry if anybody disagrees, but not listening to what he says can be a waste of time. All your research is great and applies to something I'm sure.
You see, were dealing with PHYSICAL motion of the coils, that's why there is vibration in the TPUs, and that's why there is cork material in the center of the large TPUs (to allow vibration and not dampen it). And that's why magnets are needed, they have a stronger magnetic field and when current + magnetic field are COMBINED, motion and vibration occurs, due to the lorentz force law. We hear that in the videos of the small TPU on a glass table. Is anybody listening?
EM
P.S. and I explained before why mechanical vibration is used, it has very ... very ... very ... high Q, if you want to convince yourselves, scope a LC tank circuit after it is stimulated with a square signal and you will see it decay in approximately microseconds, or maybe milliseconds, but that is short compared to the duration of ringing after hitting an object, like a bell, or a glass, or a tunning fork, and hearing it ring for a few seconds !! The longer something rings, given an equivalent input of energy, the lower the dampening forces or "resistance" in the "circuit", and that means high Q. So what do you do with a high Q receiver? You can tune and amplify signals to large values, that's what. If you have a Q of 100 000, and your loop can pick up 1 mV without resonance, then with the high Q resonance that value would be (1 mV) X (100 000) = 100 Volts. So that's how it works. And of course there could be the on setting of rotation and wobbling in the rings or coils which produces a DC output, or magnitostriciton is the high Q phenomena used, all questions to be answered in time.
Quote from: EMdevices on July 20, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
That is what a KICK is according to SM, and I'm sorry if anybody disagrees......
You see, were dealing with PHYSICAL motion of the coils, that's why there is vibration in the TPUs,
I don't disagree with any of your post.
I also think this initial surge current would be best obtained with no 'kickback'. If .99's big pulse is what I believe, loading that pulse will have no effect on the firing pulses.
What is interesting is it is possible to inject two frequencies and obtain a third that is lower than both injected. I'm quite sure that is only possible with sound and mechanical movement.
Now that is interesting.
First off it was me that discovered the pulse not Poynt.
The pulse was first found using a OTPU former with a Bifilar wound on the 4 quarters.
Here's a picture
http://rapidshare.com/files/258230720/PulsePicBifilarPeterae.JPG
And the scope video that goes with it
http://rapidshare.com/files/258234970/Video21BifilarWirePeterae.asf
The interesting thing i found, was when i switched to a single wire being driven by both the non delayed fet and delayed fet, i found delays that would cause my cpu to suffer from crashes and would also cause my fet's to fire much more often than they should, with one delay setting i was getting loud explosion noises from inside the coil.
The coil was 22 loose turns on a wooden former, the explosions could be heard upto about 5 feet away from my bench.
I have also heard these explsoions before sometime ago but inside a ferrite core when i was injecting Fundamental 2nd and 3rd harmonics into a coil.
Here's a video of the coil noise, a mike is close to the coil to record the sound.
You will see from the yellow trace(current) that the explosion noise only occurs when the voltage (Red Trace) is equal to or below 0 volts.
http://rapidshare.com/files/258232027/Kick1SinglewirePeterae.asf
In an attempt to study this effect i built a new controller that was screened heavily, although this did stop the retriggering under 100v it also ofcourse stopped the false triggering of the fets and hence stopped the explosions.
Peter
Quote from: Peterae on July 21, 2009, 03:25:22 AM
i found delays that would cause my cpu to suffer from crashes
Imagine what happens when your delays cause your daughter's cell phone to crash in the middle of a conversation and there was two rooms between us :o
cavitation?
Quote from: Peterae on July 21, 2009, 03:25:22 AM
Now that is interesting.
First off it was me that discovered the pulse not Poynt.
The pulse was first found using a OTPU former with a Bifilar wound on the 4 quarters.
Here's a picture
http://rapidshare.com/files/258230720/PulsePicBifilarPeterae.JPG
And the scope video that goes with it
http://rapidshare.com/files/258234970/Video21BifilarWirePeterae.asf
The interesting thing i found, was when i switched to a single wire being driven by both the non delayed fet and delayed fet, i found delays that would cause my cpu to suffer from crashes and would also cause my fet's to fire much more often than they should, with one delay setting i was getting loud explosion noises from inside the coil.
The coil was 22 loose turns on a wooden former, the explosions could be heard upto about 5 feet away from my bench.
I have also heard these explsoions before sometime ago but inside a ferrite core when i was injecting Fundamental 2nd and 3rd harmonics into a coil.
Here's a video of the coil noise, a mike is close to the coil to record the sound.
You will see from the yellow trace(current) that the explosion noise only occurs when the voltage (Red Trace) is equal to or below 0 volts.
http://rapidshare.com/files/258232027/Kick1SinglewirePeterae.asf
In an attempt to study this effect i built a new controller that was screened heavily, although this did stop the retriggering under 100v it also ofcourse stopped the false triggering of the fets and hence stopped the explosions.
Peter
"The pulse" can be seen by anyone that wants to try the bifilar experiment outlined by spherics. All it takes is the right equipment, a little technical know-how, and understanding of the experiment and what one is looking for.
EM, your requirements are satisfied by this test.
There are some care and feeding subtleties of this test of which I won't go into, and Peter has been more than too generous and forthcoming already.
.99
Quote from: Peterae on July 21, 2009, 03:25:22 AM
Now that is interesting.
First off it was me that discovered the pulse not Poynt.
The pulse was first found using a OTPU former with a Bifilar wound on the 4 quarters.
Here's a picture
http://rapidshare.com/files/258230720/PulsePicBifilarPeterae.JPG
And the scope video that goes with it
http://rapidshare.com/files/258234970/Video21BifilarWirePeterae.asf
The interesting thing i found, was when i switched to a single wire being driven by both the non delayed fet and delayed fet, i found delays that would cause my cpu to suffer from crashes and would also cause my fet's to fire much more often than they should, with one delay setting i was getting loud explosion noises from inside the coil.
The coil was 22 loose turns on a wooden former, the explosions could be heard upto about 5 feet away from my bench.
I have also heard these explsoions before sometime ago but inside a ferrite core when i was injecting Fundamental 2nd and 3rd harmonics into a coil.
Here's a video of the coil noise, a mike is close to the coil to record the sound.
You will see from the yellow trace(current) that the explosion noise only occurs when the voltage (Red Trace) is equal to or below 0 volts.
http://rapidshare.com/files/258232027/Kick1SinglewirePeterae.asf
In an attempt to study this effect i built a new controller that was screened heavily, although this did stop the retriggering under 100v it also ofcourse stopped the false triggering of the fets and hence stopped the explosions.
Peter
my be related , see bolt message
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg192571#msg192571
Pulse the smaller primary with the kick inducing protocol in the resonant frequency of the larger secondary load coil and you achieve the drive of the prime mover.
--giantkiller.
This is dead on.
Quote from: EMdevices on July 20, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
I appreciate all the effort and the experimental results posted here. I wish I could of participated earlier on. Please hear me out.
Look once again at the relevant text from SM:
Notice what the kick is a result of:
(INRUSH CURRENT) + (WEAK MAGNETIC FIELD OF THE EARTH) = KICK
I'm not sure how to state it more plainly then to say the kick is an imparting of momentum to the filament. Just like a coil in a magnetic field MOVES, so does the filament, it moves when it is forced to move "in a quick sharp short duration" by an impulse or (force x time)
If you have a DC current on a filament in a magnetic field, it will deflect to one side and stay there, but won't oscillate at it's natural frequency (based on how thin, long and stiff it is).
Another analogy, take a hammer and hit a bell to make it ring, you just "KICKED" the bell.
That is what a KICK is according to SM, and I'm sorry if anybody disagrees, but not listening to what he says can be a waste of time. All your research is great and applies to something I'm sure.
You see, were dealing with PHYSICAL motion of the coils, that's why there is vibration in the TPUs, and that's why there is cork material in the center of the large TPUs (to allow vibration and not dampen it). And that's why magnets are needed, they have a stronger magnetic field and when current + magnetic field are COMBINED, motion and vibration occurs, due to the lorentz force law. We hear that in the videos of the small TPU on a glass table. Is anybody listening?
EM
P.S. and I explained before why mechanical vibration is used, it has very ... very ... very ... high Q, if you want to convince yourselves, scope a LC tank circuit after it is stimulated with a square signal and you will see it decay in approximately microseconds, or maybe milliseconds, but that is short compared to the duration of ringing after hitting an object, like a bell, or a glass, or a tunning fork, and hearing it ring for a few seconds !! The longer something rings, given an equivalent input of energy, the lower the dampening forces or "resistance" in the "circuit", and that means high Q. So what do you do with a high Q receiver? You can tune and amplify signals to large values, that's what. If you have a Q of 100 000, and your loop can pick up 1 mV without resonance, then with the high Q resonance that value would be (1 mV) X (100 000) = 100 Volts. So that's how it works. And of course there could be the on setting of rotation and wobbling in the rings or coils which produces a DC output, or magnitostriciton is the high Q phenomena used, all questions to be answered in time.
A kick is a mere cavity where it extracts zpe.
If you read this and compare as this deals with harmonics.. http://www.scribd.com/doc/10316855/Magnetic-Resonant-Amplifier regarding high q of the electric..is where you basicly tap it.
Hooptie hoop ZPE blah blah is this is that....scrrrrribd rrr
This is dead on.Quote from: EMdevices on July 20, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
I appreciate all the effort and the experimental results posted here. I wish I could of participated earlier on. Please hear me out.
Look once again at the relevant text from SM:
Notice what the kick is a result of:
(INRUSH CURRENT) + (WEAK MAGNETIC FIELD OF THE EARTH) = KICK
I'm not sure how to state it more plainly then to say the kick is an imparting of momentum to the filament. Just like a coil in a magnetic field MOVES, so does the filament, it moves when it is forced to move "in a quick sharp short duration" by an impulse or (force x time)
If you have a DC current on a filament in a magnetic field, it will deflect to one side and stay there, but won't oscillate at it's natural frequency (based on how thin, long and stiff it is).
Another analogy, take a hammer and hit a bell to make it ring, you just "KICKED" the bell.
That is what a KICK is according to SM, and I'm sorry if anybody disagrees, but not listening to what he says can be a waste of time. All your research is great and applies to something I'm sure.
You see, were dealing with PHYSICAL motion of the coils, that's why there is vibration in the TPUs, and that's why there is cork material in the center of the large TPUs (to allow vibration and not dampen it). And that's why magnets are needed, they have a stronger magnetic field and when current + magnetic field are COMBINED, motion and vibration occurs, due to the lorentz force law. We hear that in the videos of the small TPU on a glass table. Is anybody listening?
EM
P.S. and I explained before why mechanical vibration is used, it has very ... very ... very ... high Q, if you want to convince yourselves, scope a LC tank circuit after it is stimulated with a square signal and you will see it decay in approximately microseconds, or maybe milliseconds, but that is short compared to the duration of ringing after hitting an object, like a bell, or a glass, or a tunning fork, and hearing it ring for a few seconds !! The longer something rings, given an equivalent input of energy, the lower the dampening forces or "resistance" in the "circuit", and that means high Q. So what do you do with a high Q receiver? You can tune and amplify signals to large values, that's what. If you have a Q of 100 000, and your loop can pick up 1 mV without resonance, then with the high Q resonance that value would be (1 mV) X (100 000) = 100 Volts. So that's how it works. And of course there could be the on setting of rotation and wobbling in the rings or coils which produces a DC output, or magnitostriciton is the high Q phenomena used, all questions to be answered in time.
The kick can be used to produce a polarization current.
He knew exactly what it was but this term is too precise and would quickly tip his hand.
Others know too, talk of "radial fields" and all that, displacement current, scorch fields, etc.
radial electric field, not radial magnetic field, and then you move it so to speak, That's Hooper's motional e-field but he screwed that up. Wilbert Smith screwed it up too. Both tried to do it mechanically.
Quote from: Grumpy on July 22, 2009, 10:15:55 PM
Both tried to do it mechanically.
No appreciable mass can move fast enough for the rotation.
I wish folks would try the varied delay pulse train before declaring it unrelated to an SM kick. Not only is it a kick, by any other definition, it is also a canon firing a canon firing a canon, etc. etc.
Having a single coil fired, in succession, by multiple switches with separate power supplies is not the only method that works but seems to fit today's 'logic' hardware mindset.
If you want it to make vibrations just wind it so it fits SM's description of a TPU.
Can't wait to get back to the bench. Anything beats living out of a suitcase and hauling test equipment everywhere I go >:(
I am following the premise that the toroidal constructs on top of the one open TPU and the same two in the sm17 are the canons. A slight bias on the copper run coming out of the middle would produce the hose that gets squeezed to produce the canonballs. The canons are facing vertical instead of horizontal. In the sm17 though the runs are then continued into a circular track.
Quote from: EMdevices on July 20, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
I appreciate all the effort and the experimental results posted here. I wish I could of participated earlier on. Please hear me out.
Look once again at the relevant text from SM:
Notice what the kick is a result of:
(INRUSH CURRENT) + (WEAK MAGNETIC FIELD OF THE EARTH) = KICK
I'm not sure how to state it more plainly then to say the kick is an imparting of momentum to the filament. Just like a coil in a magnetic field MOVES, so does the filament, it moves when it is forced to move "in a quick sharp short duration" by an impulse or (force x time)
If you have a DC current on a filament in a magnetic field, it will deflect to one side and stay there, but won't oscillate at it's natural frequency (based on how thin, long and stiff it is).
Another analogy, take a hammer and hit a bell to make it ring, you just "KICKED" the bell.
That is what a KICK is according to SM, and I'm sorry if anybody disagrees, but not listening to what he says can be a waste of time. All your research is great and applies to something I'm sure.
You see, were dealing with PHYSICAL motion of the coils, that's why there is vibration in the TPUs, and that's why there is cork material in the center of the large TPUs (to allow vibration and not dampen it). And that's why magnets are needed, they have a stronger magnetic field and when current + magnetic field are COMBINED, motion and vibration occurs, due to the lorentz force law. We hear that in the videos of the small TPU on a glass table. Is anybody listening?
EM
P.S. and I explained before why mechanical vibration is used, it has very ... very ... very ... high Q, if you want to convince yourselves, scope a LC tank circuit after it is stimulated with a square signal and you will see it decay in approximately microseconds, or maybe milliseconds, but that is short compared to the duration of ringing after hitting an object, like a bell, or a glass, or a tunning fork, and hearing it ring for a few seconds !! The longer something rings, given an equivalent input of energy, the lower the dampening forces or "resistance" in the "circuit", and that means high Q. So what do you do with a high Q receiver? You can tune and amplify signals to large values, that's what. If you have a Q of 100 000, and your loop can pick up 1 mV without resonance, then with the high Q resonance that value would be (1 mV) X (100 000) = 100 Volts. So that's how it works. And of course there could be the on setting of rotation and wobbling in the rings or coils which produces a DC output, or magnitostriciton is the high Q phenomena used, all questions to be answered in time.
Nice to Have you back! Great post!
Quote from: giantkiller on July 22, 2009, 11:23:35 PM
I am following the premise that the toroidal constructs on top of the one open TPU and the same two in the sm17 are the canons. A slight bias on the copper run coming out of the middle would produce the hose that gets squeezed to produce the canonballs. The canons are facing vertical instead of horizontal. In the sm17 though the runs are then continued into a circular track.
My view:
The first cannons are the two gate pulses, as shown by Peter's experiments. Together, they fire off another pulse. That is from one circuit. Make two. Each creates a single big pulse. Put those two together so they create a bigger pulse. Build that thought like a pyramid.
Each set of pulses creates a larger pulse and a slight DC offset. Unlike flyback, the resulting pulse is the same polarity as the source pulses. The generated DC offset always has the same polarity. The DC is additive.
Of course, none of this can be repetitive, in a gainful way, unless you recycle each set of pulses around the circumference in a rotational manor. I'm not talking about all fields being magnetic only.
Sorry, can't get to the bench right now so I'm just a PC hero today.
Hello all,
@EM
I fully agree with your post.
@all
maybe some Teslas patents are useful for our TPU research?
Look at the Tesla patent No. 568 176 - Aparatus for producing electric currents of high frequency and potential.
The first picture - schematic - is very interesting. Look especially how he has shown us the capacitor. Dont read to much the text, just look at the 1. drawing.
You all are familiar with Tesla patents, his textes and drawings. Have you ever looked a little bit deeper how he draws capacitors?
Single caps, double caps, tripple caps......
Otto
Otto
Quote from: EMdevices on July 20, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
You see, were dealing with PHYSICAL motion of the coils, that's why there is vibration in the TPUs, and that's why there is cork material in the center of the large TPUs (to allow vibration and not dampen it). And that's why magnets are needed, they have a stronger magnetic field and when current + magnetic field are COMBINED, motion and vibration occurs, due to the lorentz force law. We hear that in the videos of the small TPU on a glass table. Is anybody listening?
EM
Cork is a natural polymer used for vibration isolation purposes and the best type of cork to use is natural cork (bark of the cork oak tree).
So, vibration might be an inherent secondary effect that is undesirable.
EDIT:
You mention the Lorentz force when current and a magnetic field are combined - what if the current is a polarization current? Wouldn't that account for the vibration? You have to constantly change the polarization of the medium to maintian a polarization current. You woudl not get this vibration if you create the polarization current by rotating a dielectric in a static electric field (to provide the polarizing influence) since the dielectric disc is continuous and rotating in a homogenous field. (I recall that vibration has been encountered in a few homopolar generator designs that were discontinuous.)
Quote from: poynt99 on June 30, 2009, 09:37:36 PM
The "mysterious pulse" has been cracked. At least I believe it has.
With a very simple addition/modification to the basic switching circuit, this is the result. No this is not a real scope shot, this is a PSpice simulation. Doubtful this is overunity, but it IS a somewhat novel impulse generator. Might be patent material, but that's not going to happen.
The only disadvantage to this as an impulse generator is the presence of the first pulse in the output.
What we are seeing in the "real" scope shots is a lot of stray inductance. Yes, that's what is responsible for production of the pulse. However, at these extreme transition times, not only are wires not wires any more (they're more like inductors), but the inductors they become also behave in a peculiar way, which allows this effect to take place.
At any rate, sorry guys if this bursts your bubble a bit, but hey, if this effect can be replicated in a simulation, surely it's not ou.
This is "conventional" electricity, albeit not used in every day applications, that's for certain. For fun I'll be working on optimizing and modifying the circuit for "spec'd" impulses.
There may be more to follow, including scope shots from the modification of a real circuit.
.99
PS. Green is the "coil" voltage (20V supply), and red and blue are the MOSFET gate voltages (12V drive).
What you have seen is not "the kick"
A.
@Peter, BEP, and other builders,
SM first found something strange when using bifilar speaker coils with unequal phases.
The following patent is in English; the Italian company no longer exists, so this patent and information is now in the public domain.
I suggest you read this patent again and again, and then some more. Read between the lines, and turn on your brain and fantasy. This family has lots of members and they are related: EC, TPU, Hubbard coil, etc.
SM said it, Spher*** said it, EC said it; wake up people.
This has nothing to do with iron, nor transmutation; that is all disinformation.
PDF (36 pages):
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wadList.jsp?IA=IT1997000054&LANGUAGE=EN&ID=id00000000509475&VOL=9001&DOC=001787&WO=98/040960&WEEK=37/1998&TYPE=A1&DOC_TYPE=PAMPH&ACCESS=D&PAGE=0
or
http://tinyurl.com/n6cnya
TIFF (36 TIFFs as ZIP):
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wadList.jsp?IA=IT1997000054&LANGUAGE=EN&ID=id00000000509475&VOL=9001&DOC=001787&WO=98/040960&WEEK=37/1998&TYPE=A1&DOC_TYPE=PAMPH&ACCESS=D&PAGE=ZIP
or
http://tinyurl.com/l4854y
Regards, Earl
Thanks @Earl.
It is nice to see you are still out there.
There is no iron in my current build. The continuous bifilar wrap and sequential firing of the conductors is how I have a radial field.
The thought of some nuclear activity is not a good one. My other experiments were put on the shelf for that and other reasons.
BEP
Oops.
That was something I've been holding back on for a few years.
No matter. If you have such a bifilar wind and you feed it with a circuit similar to Peter's you will see how recent discoveries work relating to circular polarized laser light changing the polarization of a magnetized surface. The reverse is also true, as known in studies of light propagation.
The proof is placing a compass at all four outside quadrants. When you have it right all four will point to or away from the center.
Rotating that field hasn't been possible for me yet.
BEP,
The infamous "Gravity Resonance Coil" posted many years ago on several BBS's has a radial electric field modulated by a solenoid coil.
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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7926.msg198466#msg198466
Anyone that insists on using a ferromagnetic core, try magnetizing it with a separate coil.
Quote from: BEP on August 25, 2009, 08:02:22 AM
Thanks @Earl.
It is nice to see you are still out there.
There is no iron in my current build. The continuous bifilar wrap and sequential firing of the conductors is how I have a radial field.
The thought of some nuclear activity is not a good one. My other experiments were put on the shelf for that and other reasons.
BEP
the initial pulse that you send to a coil creates a radial field before conduction current starts to flow
position a few coils around in a circle and pulse them sequentially and you can make a rotating radial field
Quote from: BEP on August 25, 2009, 08:02:22 AM
Thanks @Earl.
It is nice to see you are still out there.
I am still kicking, but avoid places that do not have a high SNR; that is why you don't see me much.
There is no iron in my current build.
Excellent, keep iron away.
The continuous bifilar wrap and sequential firing of the conductors is how I have a radial field.
Way to go, keep reading the Energia Celeste patent again and again.
The thought of some nuclear activity is not a good one. My other experiments were put on the shelf for that and other reasons.
Don't get unnecessarily scared. Don't forget - everything you eat has alpha-emitting isotopes in it. The amount of radioactive poison released into the atmosphere by all the above-ground tests, as well as that released by centuries of coal burning, is staggering. This stuff goes into the soil, gets picked up by roots, and eaten by people and cows. RE can be detrimental to your health also, especially if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, when the big switch is thrown on Edison's HV DC lines. A Geiger counter with a thin window, large area "pie" type of detector picks up alpha, beta, gamma, and X-rays. If it starts clicking rapidly, shut 'er down. Best to be intelligent and prepared instead of scared. If after experimenting you have pains and headaches, you might also think about things. I look at it this way: if prostate cancer doesn't get you, nor an auto accident, then maybe RE will. How does that song go?..... don't worry, be happy.
BEP
Earl
Back in the day....
It took me a few days to figure out what was exposing all the photo film. Way too late to jump into my lead shorts.
It wasn't a TPU. That was before any mention of SM.
As far as pulsing coils around a circle...all I get are separate magnetic fields pulsing in a circle.
The only slight indication of rotation I have is when I add a charge field 90 deg. To the radial magnetic. The pulse rate of that charge needs to be 2*pi*the radial pulse rate. The timing is like a Harley firing sequence. It is obvious to me I don't have the freeks figured yet but I do get 1.2VDC with HV hash on it.
I have been very familiar with that patent for several years.
Quote from: BEP on August 25, 2009, 12:54:43 PM
Back in the day....
It took me a few days to figure out what was exposing all the photo film. Way too late to jump into my lead shorts.
It wasn't a TPU. That was before any mention of SM.
As far as pulsing coils around a circle...all I get are separate magnetic fields pulsing in a circle.
The only slight indication of rotation I have is when I add a charge field 90 deg. To the radial magnetic. The pulse rate of that charge needs to be 2*pi*the radial pulse rate. The timing is like a Harley firing sequence. It is obvious to me I don't have the freeks figured yet but I do get 1.2VDC with HV hash on it.
I have been very familiar with that patent for several years.
What kind of coil are you pulsing? Length, how wound, etc?
Sorry Grumpy.
I'm stuck with a cell for a while.
I've described my current build with more detail than before anyway.
The current one can't be pulse in a sequence as the quad coils are all one circuit.
I have done such on most past builds. I never have true rotation with those as it is no different than a polyphase motor.
I only get smooth rotation when I place the fields perp to all others.
In regards to the Energia Celeste patent area #15 on page 9.
Same effect as the Ed Leedskalnin PMH when breaking the keeper off.
Quote from: Earl on August 25, 2009, 09:31:22 AM
Earl