From keelynet Latest claim of working PMM.
Seems this guy is trying for a patent on this one.
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-connecticut-yankee-landon060.artjun01,0,3005796.story
http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=landon&s2=lebanon&OS=landon+AND+lebanon&RS=landon+AND+lebanon
MAGNET-POWERED MOTOR
Lebanon Man Designs Magnet-Powered Motor
By JESSE LEAVENWORTH | The Hartford Courant
"Landon flicks the rotor and it spins for several minutes. The model is not perfect, he said, because the parts must be precisely machined and fitted and he lacks the necessary equipment. Landon said he hopes that an entrepreneur somewhere in the U.S. will fund a working model."
YEP.
Quote from: Justalabrat on June 03, 2009, 01:05:50 PM
MAGNET-POWERED MOTOR
Lebanon Man Designs Magnet-Powered Motor
By JESSE LEAVENWORTH | The Hartford Courant
"Landon flicks the rotor and it spins for several minutes. The model is not perfect, he said, because the parts must be precisely machined and fitted and he lacks the necessary equipment. Landon said he hopes that an entrepreneur somewhere in the U.S. will fund a working model."
Hmm..
Lebanon Ct.
Practically a neighbor!
If you guys will behave, I'll stop by and invite him here
Gonna stop by anyway.
Chet
Quote from: Justalabrat on June 03, 2009, 01:05:50 PM
Landon said he hopes that an entrepreneur somewhere in the U.S. will fund a working model.
Oh brother.
Well...when he gets it perfect maybe he can let us know!
In the mean time... Think; "Conservative fields"..."Conservative fields"... ;)
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: Justalabrat on June 03, 2009, 01:05:50 PM
MAGNET-POWERED MOTOR
Lebanon Man Designs Magnet-Powered Motor
By JESSE LEAVENWORTH | The Hartford Courant
"Landon flicks the rotor and it spins for several minutes. The model is not perfect, he said, because the parts must be precisely machined and fitted and he lacks the necessary equipment. Landon said he hopes that an entrepreneur somewhere in the U.S. will fund a working model."
Hoo-boy. Several minutes. Look at that thing, sitting on his lap. Several minutes it spins.
Has anybody ever asked him how long it spins if you remove the outer (stator) magnets and all that contraptionation?
I'll bet a shiny Canadian loonie that it will spin even longer if you do that.
But for some reason, nobody ever takes my bets.
:'(
TK
I'll ask him that tomorrow
Chet
Well....
I met with Bill today
All I can say is WOW!!
He is one great guy.
I did ask about the rundown test [He giggled]
"Way past that'
Felt like I was talking to Ed Leedskalin .
I hope to learn a lot from this wonderful man.
Perpetual motion is everywhere in everything.
It is the norm, not the exception [at least from our perspective]
Chet
Quote from: ramset on June 04, 2009, 12:18:32 PM
Well....
I met with Bill today
All I can say is WOW!!
He is one great guy.
I did ask about the rundown test [He giggled]
"Way past that'
Felt like I was talking to Ed Leedskalin .
I hope to learn a lot from this wonderful man.
Perpetual motion is everywhere in everything.
It is the norm, not the exception [at least from our perspective]
Chet
Maybe if he trusts you you could do a video interview. That and convincing him to open source it. It's now or never.
Quote from: ramset on June 04, 2009, 12:18:32 PM
Well....
I met with Bill today
All I can say is WOW!!
He is one great guy.
I did ask about the rundown test [He giggled]
"Way past that'
Felt like I was talking to Ed Leedskalin .
I hope to learn a lot from this wonderful man.
Perpetual motion is everywhere in everything.
It is the norm, not the exception [at least from our perspective]
Chet
Hi Chet,
Did you observe the device free running?
If yes, for how long, and did it seem to maintain speed? Also, how was it started and stopped?
Thanks
Mike
Can somebody please post the pictures ?
My Quicktime plugin does not work somehow.
Many thanks.
P.S: YOu can also post it as a PDF File.
Thanks.
Hi fellows
Yes I touched /cycled the motor in the picture[newspaper]
Yes I feel he is of like mind with the theme of this Forum
He Is a gifted man working with similar people
An honor to meet and listen to him
It was only my first time visiting [stranger knocking on the door]
I tried to invite him here several times,I don't think he uses
the computer much
Its Nice to know guys like him are out there
I have an open invite [to come back]
I believe he can /will help this world [he is driven to do this]
Thats all I can say right know
Any information about his tech will have to come from him
Chet
PS magnets are good
I can't take anything on faith or feeling. I am glad he is a nice guy and I really do hope he has the real thing.
I hope he is ready for some scrutiny if he comes here.
Can you say open sourced project and patent pending in the same sentance?
Hi all,
Patent here (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?locale=en_EP&adjacent=true&KC=A1&date=20090312&NR=2009066172A1&DB=EPODOC&CC=US&FT=D)
Regards
Quote from: mikestocks2006 on June 04, 2009, 01:11:10 PM
Hi Chet,
Did you observe the device free running?
If yes, for how long, and did it seem to maintain speed? Also, how was it started and stopped?
Thanks
Mike
So once again we have a site visit.
With NO comparative rundown data, even though the experiment I suggested is a simple and fast one.
And NO data about what the visitor actually saw, in regards to tests performed or actual time of a run.
Here we go again.
Have you learned _nothing_ from recent experience? Apparently not.
Quote from: quartz on June 04, 2009, 04:01:21 PM
Hi all,
Patent here (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?locale=en_EP&adjacent=true&KC=A1&date=20090312&NR=2009066172A1&DB=EPODOC&CC=US&FT=D)
Regards
That's not a patent, it's a patent application. Very different creatures.
And this patent application has zero chance of being granted.
Quoting:
[0019] Advantages of the magnetic motor embodying the present invention over prior magnetic motors are as follows:
[0020] 1. Very powerful, can operate in the so-called cold fusion mode
[0021] 2. Small size (no shielding)
[0022] 3. Cost (no expense for shield or machining); can be built up of carbon composites, plastics etc., and cast and not machined
[0023] 4. Only one moving part
[0024] 5. No heat produced
[0025] 6. Very long operating life
[0026] 7. No fuel or electric current needed to power the motor, and
[0027] 8. Easily installed-can be a throw away for replacement.
[0028] In conclusion, I have thought of the outer world and its relation to the universe and its arrangements and motions (stars, moons, planets, etc. rotating endlessly) and the thought of the inner world, the arrangement of atoms and its subatomic particles (neutrons, etc.) motions and realized the possibility that the magnet and its associated force fields is possibly the "Rosetta Stone" connecting these worlds.
[0029] With this in mind I have created a pseudo magnet (magnets) that has an endless magnetic force field with no magnet (magnets) located at its virtual atomic center of symmetry so that another magnet (magnets) can pass through this center without collision with another magnet (magnets) as real magnets do when attracted to their mutual centers of symmetry.
[0030] This pass through magnet (magnets) is used as the prime movement object in the present invention.
[0031] The invention of a magnetic motor run by magnetic interactions is based on the reasoning as follows:
[0032] 1. Atomic force fields within the atom self propel the atom's component parts (neutrons, protons, electrons, etc.) in orbital (circular, rotational) motion about the atom's atomic center of symmetry with seemingly endless unlimited power forever unless acted upon by nuclear fission or fusion which destroys the atom's structural arrangement and the motion of the atom's components.
TK
Des
I have to admit, I am upset that I bring disappointment back
from my unannounced visit to a total stranger (and I am being quite serious!).
So many men "here'' are doing so much for this planet, day in and day out, experimenting and sharing, most times at great personal sacrifice.
I don't know what I was expecting but the man stopped me cold. His knowledge of magnets, physics, etc. astounded me! I am sure that there are members here and elsewhere who are Bill's peers, but I am certainly not one of them.
I cannot say what the future holds but I am hoping to learn much from Bill. He definitely has a kind and sharing heart and you all know how I feel about sharing. Thank you LostCauses for starting this thread and setting my feet on this path.
Chet
Quote from: ramset on June 04, 2009, 07:08:04 PM
TK
Des
I have to admit, I am upset that I bring disappointment back
from my unannounced visit to a total stranger (and I am being quite serious!).
So many men "here'' are doing so much for this planet, day in and day out, experimenting and sharing, most times at great personal sacrifice.
I don't know what I was expecting but the man stopped me cold. His knowledge of magnets, physics, etc. astounded me! I am sure that there are members here and elsewhere who are Bill's peers, but I am certainly not one of them.
I cannot say what the future holds but I am hoping to learn much from Bill. He definitely has a kind and sharing heart and you all know how I feel about sharing. Thank you LostCauses for starting this thread and setting my feet on this path.
Chet
Fair enough, Chet. At least you went to see him. Maybe on a future visit you can get a word in edgewise so to speak and do a little real testing that would show whether or not there is actually any energy gain from the magnets.
We know, I hope, how easy it is to be fooled by 1) the autokinetic magnet motor effect; 2) unexpectedly long rundowns of a heavy disk on good bearings; 3) confirmation bias, which makes us ignore negative results and fail to perform control experiments; 4) fuzzy thinking, including the post hoc fallacy and the fallacy of affirming the consequent. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/
And we also know how difficult it is to question the authority of an elder gentleman who clearly has a lot of knowledge and experience, when one is a stranger in the house. You are to be commended for even trying.
But none of your impressions about Mr. Landon, nor the experience and knowledge of the person himself, have anything, really, to do with the claim that he's invented a magnet motor that runs itself, in "cold fusion" mode or otherwise.
Clearly, you, Chet, did not in fact see it "run", but only "run down." Correct?
Can you give any details at all about how you or he spun it up, what it did when it was turning, and how long it took to come to a stop? Did it seem to accelerate on its own at any time after you or he stopped pushing on it? How did you time the events?
In your opinion, how hard would it be to remove the stators and/or freeze their mechanisms, in order to compare the rotor performance with and without magnet interactions?
Because clearly, if the magnet interactions are helping AT ALL, it must not run down longer with them removed.
All a potential investor might want to know would be contained in that one single experiment. And it would be so easy to do and show. Imagine if he could show a video of that comparison! If the magnet-enabled version consistently ran down even a little bit longer, that would be the very first demonstration that would show that the whole effort is even possible in the first place.
TK
I feel that you and Bill would have a lot to talk about.
Knowing what you have taught me [serendipitously]
I have unfortunately become quite INFORMED
and find myself using your yardstick to measure reality
Bill has no hidden agenda TIME WILL TELL THE REST
HOPEFULLY NOT TO MUCH TIME
Chet
Chet, this sounds really interesting, thanks so much for taking the time to do some real world actions by visiting Bill.
Please keep us posted...
AZ
Crap or get off the pot.
Interesting.
Quote from: d3adp00l on June 07, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
Crap or get off the pot.
Be nice now.
Take a Tbsp of olive oil before every meal if you are constipated.
8)
Aquariuz
All
Bill thinks differently,he says we all need to change to a more open mind set,
Since the big bang [which I am not sure how he feels about[he talks fast]
Magnetism has always been here
.He spoke of our sun and the atomic events[not his words] and how these events maintain the magnetic field .
He spoke of Einstein and Keller [a lot]
He asked me why is there a north and a south?[on every magnet],did I know there was a dead spot in the middle?
He had a levitation device [which I handled],done with magnets stuck in a field and very light, but folks could stand on the disk[frisby size] and not remove it from the field
He thinks like a lot of men here
Energy and us?
1 Sun, yes many ways
2 wind , Ditto
3 Water, even more ditto [still a lot to learn here]
4 electricity[whatever that is] Ditto [still a lot to learn here]
5 Magnetism /Gravity " NEXT" [limited by what we" KNOW" or are taught]
I have only met Bill once ,next time i will bring my wife[as per his wife's request]
I feel most men in Bills "FIELD" are in it to change things [as are most here]
And this is a very strong bond [if you are of the right mindset]
I hope to learn a lot from Bill
Well off to work [for me]
Chet
PS I wish I lived in Holland ,somebody there needs to be greeted !!
He sounds very Leedskalninish
Ramset, great work in describing your encounter; and BRAVO for having the nerve to knock on his door, lol!
For your next visit, could you ask Mr. Langdon a few more Q's perhaps?
> How did he first envision the interacting magnetic fields... Did he learn about this from someone else's work (who), or did he somehow have an epiphany, or study them himself to gain this knowledge (how)? Or did it all come simply from empirical testing?
> Would he be interested in "giving us" a parallel application Open Source project..?
If it will conflict with his filed Patent Applications, you could point out that a PARALLEL application (in this case "application" meaning "use/embodiment"), that is a bit different that what is described in the Patent Applications, but that still can be tapped using the same basic principals as the main device... Would allow the principals to be studied openly without hurting the chances of the Patents being awarded. Such a device would have literally HUNDREDS of possible parallel applications and it is virtually impossible to Patent them all (... As an example: "A device for powering an Automated Parking Meter" lol). Simply changing a noted feature in the design, accomplishing similar results in a different way, should suffice to make it sufficiently "different".
You might mention to the gentleman, that gaining acceptance is the greatest problem he will experience (as he undoubtedly knows already lol). Even having Patents awarded may not help much with this; as we have seen with Howard Johnson. But having multiple working examples of a device on the same basic principals will GREATLY help with this... So giving us a "parallel application" to replicate, verify, and study; while not jeopardizing his "main application" Patent requests, can ultimately help him achieve his goals by gaining the credibility that every inventor of such a device WILL REQUIRE to get anywhere. Not to mention, he may get some "free R&D" for slight improvements out of the deal, who knows ;)
... And it could possibly provide a "back-up" to make sure the technology doesn't just fall into a black hole.
If he can convince us via solid proofs that the device / principals are viable (through reliable replications and/or positive verifications), then he is well on the road to eventual success... And we can help in seeing this goal be realized, and even do so "for free".
But if we here cannot be convinced of the device's viability: No one in the business world will ever likely be either... And that could ultimately be important information for him to know as well; before spending all his savings or something like that on a manufacturing & marketing scheme that fails from general lack of credibility with the Public.... Any "skepticism" expressed here would be "good practice" for the "real world", where the stakes really matter ;)
JibbGuy
As you know these are delicate matters , I hope to meet again with Bill this week
Thanks for the suggestions
Chet
Hey Chet,
Great steps you're taking here to help the OU community validate reported claims. I'm sure there's much we could learn from Bill should they prove valid.
I have to support the tentative questions set forth by jib and ask if you might ask them of Bill if possible. Just be honest and say that you belong to a community that would be very interested in his tech and it being adopted in applications by/for the public at large.
Thanks for taking the initiative to approach and talk with the inventor, and I hope you wind up with a new friend outta the deal. ;)
Thanks Exx
I hope we all wind up with a new friend [campy but sincere]
Chet
Chet how about a revisit to the man. It would be nice to know where he is currently at with the motor. And maybe you can take some questions from the people here with you. Here are a few.
How many have you built?
Is there a speed limit to the motor?
How long before we can get it in our hands?
Broli
Yes ,I need to do that[a return visit],
This might sound ridicules ,But after I visited him ,I googled his name and THIS THREAD CAME UP !!
Well that may be status quo but i guess I didn't realize that would happen.
Any way He's just such s cool guy, I have to return [even if they throw stuff at me]
He told me it was his goal to share this with the world before he passed on
I hope he meant that !!
I'll call him first
This is the least I can do for this community.
Chet
Well...
I called today and was invited back [anytime]
Hopefully Thursday
Chet
Quote from: ramset on July 07, 2009, 11:38:53 AM
Well...
I called today and was invited back [anytime]
Hopefully Thursday
Chet
Good Luck, Chet!
Hopefully you will be allowed to take a few pictures...
TK
It may sound strange but,
This I do for you [and other great members here]
In FE my capabilities are limited ,however meeting total strangers[at the top of "my" food chain] Is what I have always done.
Translation being around Engineers Scientists and experimenters[R+D] is quite comfortable for me [I learned the hard way]
I'll try to do a good job [you always do!!]
Chet
Quote from: ramset on June 25, 2009, 03:40:39 PM
Broli
Yes ,I need to do that[a return visit],
This might sound ridicules ,But after I visited him ,I googled his name and THIS THREAD CAME UP !!
Well that may be status quo but i guess I didn't realize that would happen.
Any way He's just such s cool guy, I have to return [even if they throw stuff at me]
He told me it was his goal to share this with the world before he passed on
I hope he meant that !!
If his goal was to share with the world before he passed on then he should have posted everything he knew with all details on every overunity forum site he could find.
Fame and fortune would follow him. As it is when he contacts the patent office all he will get is a rejection notice. If his device does work MIB will visit him and confiscate his device. He might also vanish. All under the guise of national security or some military secret being exposed. He better think real seriously about this. Dont believe me?? Then read the John Searl true story linked below.
http://pesn.com/2009/02/11/9501521_story-behind-Searl-Story/
I'll call him first
This is the least I can do for this community.
Chet
MagnetMan
Your quote is not all mine
I here the MIB have so many places to look these days their heads are spinning
maybe we can tap into that [their spinning heads] Its amazing what a decade of discovery[in a shit load of new areas] can do to swing the pendulum of suppression around
There is no way to stop this snowball ,They will have to go the genocide route to even slow this down.
Chet
Well
I went for a ride in the country with my wife the other day,one of those lets just Go ,no destination in mind rides.
Got Lost................ Found myself a block from Bills[Landon] house,so I stopped in.
He was busy with some projects and I didn't want to impose but I asked him how the Patent thing was working out.He said it was at a standstill
due to the wording he was using ? He sounded fed up with the patent office
I believe he sat in the mans office[patent] in DC with the "device' running the whole time[20 minutes or so],but they wouldn't except his wording [something about it Never stopping]?
He said he was giving it one more try [the patent thing] and asked me to stop back in a couple months and there would be "ALOT" to talk about?
He emphasized "A Lot"!!
HMM.......
I think the next time I go I will Beg another member here to come along for the ride [with an appointment this time].
I have someone in mind Who lives up in New England also[a member here], a very Knowledgeable and dedicated Open source engineer that will be able to comprehend "Bills" device much better than Myself.
Bill is one of the most amazing people I have ever met ,I hope he will let Us replicate his device here Open Source?
Nothing Ventured nothing gained.............
Chet
PS
I also hope the Patent guy really pisses him off ;D.
Thanks for the update Chet.
The U.S.P.T.O. can be a real pain in the &$$. They do not allow the patenting of "OU" devices,. so you have to be squirmy with the documentation. Give the machine some arbitrary purpose.
You cant mention anything about "free energy, excess energy, fuel-less operation"....
patent the device as a Pinnapple Debarker, or a Centrifugal Oil Seperator
they dont really care what it is,
as long as its not blatently "ou" in the wording.
SmOky2
Bill has his heart in the right place..........I hope the rest will soon follow?
I remember asking him how he beat the "Wall"[magnetic].
He hinted at a secret ,asked me if I knew about the place between "N" And "S" ?A neutral place between the Two or "dead/weak Spot" something that he seemed to have exploited to his benefit. Of Course I know of no such thing!
?
Smoky ,After reading one of your last posts on Archer's thread
I know that you would love to speak to this man ,you seem to have a simular Grasp on things as Well as a very broad Knowledge..........
I was Very impressed
You are one smart Cookie!!, it was one of those posts I will like to read over again!
Chet
Quote from: ramset on July 20, 2011, 09:10:44 PM
....
I remember asking him how he beat the "Wall"[magnetic].
He hinted at a secret ,asked me if I knew about the place between "N" And "S" ?A neutral place between the Two or "dead/weak Spot" something that he seemed to have exploited to his benefit. Of Course I know of no such thing!
...
Hi Chet,
I guess Bill hinted at the North and South poles of a magnet and the neutral place between them is the so called Bloch wall.
Here is link on a similar idea shown by member allcanadian:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2790-no-bemf-motor.html
Gyula
Gyula
All Canadian ,Another very smart fellow!
Hopefully the next time I meet with Bill ,Will be The Best time!!
We could use A good "runner" around here,something to sink the teeth into!
Its time to turn the page on the old ways and start Learning and teaching the New............
Chet