I have come to the conclusion that it may be possible for Plant Fibers to be grown into perfect Carbon Nano Tube structures and then be manufactured for materials.
some Plant tissues are very close to Carbon Nano Tube structures and slight modifications to the genetics of the plant genes would allow us to simply grow bulk Carbon Nano Tubes for the Industries.
also by specialized plant tissue dissolving it is possible to separate the carbon nano tube structures from each other to help simplify manufacturing processes.
Genetically modified Bamboo or maybe Acacia that contain longer tissue skeletons could provide for long stands, it would be more of a benefit to modify the Genetics of Bamboo since some species can grow up to 3ft a day.
Jerry ;)
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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I have come to the conclusion that it may be possible for Plant Fibers to be grown into perfect Carbon Nano Tube structures and then be manufactured for materials.
Hey Jerry,
Do you know how to standardize a particular production process? Plant cellulose is naturally wildly random in composition and polymeric structure. Obtaining uniform production runs may be difficult.
(My Dad was an aerospace engineer before he retired, and, as a result, propellant engineering is personally one of my strong interests to this day.)
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 02, 2009, 08:44:04 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:Hey Jerry,
Do you know how to standardize a particular production process? Plant cellulose is naturally wildly random in composition and polymeric structure. Obtaining uniform production runs may be difficult.
(My Dad was an aerospace engineer before he retired, and, as a result, propellant engineering is personally one of my strong interests to this day.)
--Lee
Hi Big M.
I would assume by replacing the cellulose genetics which give it its skeletal structure can be replaced with an actual Carbon Nano Tube imprint at its seed level, it would require a lab with all the genetic tools at hand to even start removing and replacing the imprint shell/coat with a Carbon Nano Tube shell/coat for starters. the seed coat contains genetic information as well as the cotyledon inside the seed itself.
it would be no easy task but I think it could be done with a good genetics professor at hand.
it would have to be the specific genetics that determine the Skeletal cellulose structure that would have to be replaced either over time through hybridising or maybe all at once.
I am a jack of all sciences so I am not really an expert in anyone field but I do know enough of every field to get myself in trouble, it comes in handy when trying to find solutions but in the end it requires an expert in that field to figure things out.
I am pretty sure it has to be done at the seed level.
Jerry ;)
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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I would assume by replacing the cellulose genetics which give it its skeletal structure can be replaced with an actual Carbon Nano Tube imprint at its seed level, it would require a lab with all the genetic tools at hand to even start removing and replacing the imprint shell/coat with a Carbon Nano Tube shell/coat for starters. ... it would be no easy task but I think it could be done with a good genetics professor at hand.
Another of my interests is genealogy, evolutionary biology, and ethnic origins, so I think I can be definite in pointing out: what you suggest would qualify for a Nobel Prize. Researchers today only change one or to genes at a time in an organism. Not remove them entirely on a wholesale level. That may make unpredictable, even fatal changes.
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I am a jack of all sciences so I am not really an expert in anyone field but I do know enough of every field to get myself in trouble, it comes in handy when trying to find solutions but in the end it requires an expert in that field to figure things out.
Okay, good, I agree. I just don't know if anyone would admit to doing what you suggest. Some people might accuse the researcher of *playing God*.
--Lee
truth be told nanotech is still in its birthing state it needs some evolution.
it is a tuff an expensive thing to make with current tech but in time...
Finally I would love for someone to test rochell salt piezoelectric crystals to increase output on solar cells.
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truth be told nanotech is still in its birthing state it needs some evolution. ... it is a tuff an expensive thing to make with current tech but in time...
Exactly. Carbon nanotubes were being considered for composite supersonic aircraft components(wings, fuselage), but expense is still high.
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Finally I would love for someone to test rochell salt piezoelectric crystals to increase output on solar cells.
I had to look these up on the 'Web:
http://groupkos.com/eso/tiki-index.php?page=Growing%20the%20Piezoelectric%20Crystal%20Orb
http://groupkos.com/eso/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=68
You're right about the solar cells, but Rochelle salt production doesn't seem to me to be connected in subject or practice.
--Lee
I think it is pretty sad that most of the scientific community has to dumb itself down for the mainstream whiners/fanatics for the sake of not playing God.
whiners/fanatics are the reason why we're stuck in the below average modern times.
besides, it's only an altered plant seed. no wonder why science likes to remain quite, to many pessimistic fanatical wackos.
Jerry :)
Marijuana would be a good candidate for it's strong fibers. Not long ago, I had some that tasted and smelled just like blueberries, LOL. This was accomplished by cross breeding the two plants.
Why not cross breed the marijuana and bamboo plants in order to have very strong fibers that are extremely long in the hybrid plant. Then you could use this new hybrid plant to grow the carbon nano tubes.
OMG, what the hell am I talking about. LOL
Take care,
GB
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Marijuana would be a good candidate for it's strong fibers.
I believe the species of rope hemp is not the same as cannabis, yes?
Hemp is a good thread and rope material, like sisal.
--Lee
all I ever do is wrap my head around the perfect spaceship, literally, if you could actually see the perfect spaceship then you would see my brains orbiting around it, I am serious! I am that bad.
the perfect spaceship contains everything anyone wants to know. even free energy, it is the best of the best. even the symbolics of the universe.
Jerry ;)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 02, 2009, 11:14:16 PM
I believe the species of rope hemp is not the same as cannabis, yes?
Hemp is a good thread and rope material, like sisal.
--Lee
Yes, there is a slight difference between the species. The slight difference is in the THC content of the species. Cannabis has a low THC content and is used in research and for it's strong fibers or hemp. Marijuana has a high THC content and is used for medicinal purposes and as a recreational drug. So, we should crossbreed the bamboo plants with a strain of cannabis that has a low THC content, since we don't need the THC for our purposes here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)
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...So, we should instead crossbreed the cannabis and bamboo plants, since we don't need the THC for our purposes here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)
Here's another:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_textiles
There could be a problem crossing hemp with bamboo:
They're in different plant families, such that bamboo is a rhizome growing out of roots as well as seeds like Bermuda grass; and hemp/cannabis is a seasonal pest weed native to Western Asia, similarly to bamboo, but it's not a rhizome.
Crossing both together would take more than *a little* effort genetically, I think.
(I had a relative get mixed up with drugs and pot was one of them, so I learned a few things about the plant.)
--Lee
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on August 02, 2009, 07:45:23 PM
I have come to the conclusion that it may be possible for Plant Fibers to be grown into perfect Carbon Nano Tube structures and then be manufactured for materials.
some Plant tissues are very close to Carbon Nano Tube structures and slight modifications to the genetics of the plant genes would allow us to simply grow bulk Carbon Nano Tubes for the Industries.
also by specialized plant tissue dissolving it is possible to separate the carbon nano tube structures from each other to help simplify manufacturing processes.
Genetically modified Bamboo or maybe Acacia that contain longer tissue skeletons could provide for long stands, it would be more of a benefit to modify the Genetics of Bamboo since some species can grow up to 3ft a day.
Jerry ;)
Forget the ganja ... if you want fine tubes, fungal hyphae of the mycelium are the way to go.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 02, 2009, 11:47:56 PM
gravityblock said:
Here's another:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_textiles
There could be a problem crossing hemp with bamboo:
They're in different plant families, such that bamboo is a rhizome growing out of roots as well as seeds like Bermuda grass; and hemp/cannabis is a seasonal pest weed native to Western Asia, similarly to bamboo, but it's not a rhizome.
Crossing both together would take more than *a little* effort genetically, I think.
(I had a relative get mixed up with drugs and pot was one of them, so I learned a few things about the plant.)
--Lee
I don't want to cross any plant other than what is needed to grow Carbon nano tubes, the growing system could make things perfect so long as we research it properly.
I mean if you try to abuse this you will lose you're alienability to the perfect spacecraft. literally, it is more important to build it rather than abuse it for psychotropic effects.
please don't abuse my perfect spacecraft, please.
Jerry ;)
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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I don't want to cross any plant other than what is needed to grow Carbon nano tubes, the growing system could make things perfect so long as we research it properly.
Okay, Jerry, I see your point. Time for me to "hit the hay", as it were, but before I go, I did see a site in Britain that the commercial company made carbon nanotubes more than one way, as long as the quality is sufficient.
Will look into it later.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 02, 2009, 11:47:56 PM
Crossing both together would take more than *a little* effort genetically, I think.
--Lee
Crossbreeding plants of different species is not done the same way as with animals of different species by altering the genes, it can be done during the growth of the plants. You literally cut both species of plants in half. Then you take the top half of one species and glue it to the stem of the other species. Then you take the seed that is produced, germinate it, backcross it or continue the process with other species until you have a hybrid plant that meets your expectations. It is slightly more complicated than this, but I am trying to keep it simple here.
Crossbreeding plants of different species is an easier method than genetically modifying them in the lab. It may take 2, 3, or even 4 generations of crossbreeding in order to get a hybrid plant that meets your expectations. Crossbreeding plants of different species is much different than genetically altering the genes in order to crossbreed animals of different species. It is also much different than trying to crossbreed a cat with a dog. It won't happen without a lot of effort genetically because they are different species.
This technique of cross breeding different species is not possible to do with animals, but it is possible to do with plants. Don't say plants of different species can't be cross breaded easily because you can't crossbreed animals of different species without a lot of effort genetically. This is not the case with plants. You could take a gene from antifreeze and genetically modify a tomato plant in the lab so it could survive lower temperatures without getting frost damage (they are actually in the process of doing this now), but we don't need to use that method here. Do your own research in cross breeding plants, and you will see what I am saying is accurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_breeding
GB
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on August 02, 2009, 11:57:25 PM
I don't want to cross any plant other than what is needed to grow Carbon nano tubes, the growing system could make things perfect so long as we research it properly.
I mean if you try to abuse this you will lose you're alienability to the perfect spacecraft. literally, it is more important to build it rather than abuse it for psychotropic effects.
please don't abuse my perfect spacecraft, please.
Jerry ;)
Jerry,
I am not trying to abuse it for psychotropic affects. I said we would need to use a strain of cannabis that has little to no THC content, because we don't need the THC content for our purposes here. The THC is the main ingredient that is responsible for the psychotropic affects.
Cross breeding a cannabis strain that has no THC content with a bamboo plant will produce a hybrid plant with very strong and extremely long fibers without the psychotropic affects. It would also grow very fast. Was you thinking I was going to smoke the carbon nano tubes so I could get high? That is nonsense.
If you're looking for very strong and extremely long strands of fibers, to grow your carbon nano tubes, then this is where to start. You could always cross breed the bamboo with the Acacia or you could cross breed all three. Cross breeding plants can accomplish the same thing as genetically modifying the plant in the lab and is much easier and less costly. This technique is within the realm of possibility for the average person without the need for expensive lab equipment, etc. This method goes back to the ancient of days.
I'm not trying to abuse your perfect spacecraft. I'm only trying to suggest what may be an alternative method in growing carbon nano tubes organically for the perfect spacecraft. If you have access to a lab that will research and genetically modify a bamboo or other plant that is within your budget, then that may be a quicker and better method than what I suggested. If not, then you should be looking at alternative ways of accomplishing the same thing.
GB
Jerry,
I finding it very interesting that you mentioned Acacia as a choice for growing the carbon nano tubes. The ark of the covenant and other things were built with acacia wood overlaid in pure gold in the instructions to build the tabernacle or the spacecraft. A spacecraft built with acacia grown carbon nano tubes may also represent the burning bush mentioned in Exodus. The burning of incense may also represent acacia. I'm starting to see where this is all going. You definitely have my attention, and thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I have to re-read everything again, so I can have a better understanding of the symbolism used for the perfect spacecraft. I may need a little guidance, but I'm not too far off the yellow brick road.
Take care,
GB
Hi GB.
everything on and about the Perfect Spaceship is based on how the Universe is designed to function.
The Symbolics of the Carbon Nano Tubes are the WormHoles throughout the Universe in space or if you wish, the heavens.
it is important that I find the best means to make it other than what current technology has to offer. it is my job to help it and make it better, well as an engineer that is.
it is sweet perfection. the only thing that really bothers me is the massive amounts of daja vu that comes along with it. that is the part that sucks. it can drive a person nuts.
the Carbon Nano Tubes will be scientifically transformed into Transparent Aerogel.
the upper deck is the symbolics of the heavens.
the mid deck is the symbolics of the planets surface.
the lower deck is the symbology of the under world.
everything will be explained.
I have something weird that goes on in my mind every single moment, I see symbology in everything. everything around me is a symbol of some sort.
Jerry ;)
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on August 03, 2009, 07:38:31 AM
Hi GB.
I have something weird that goes on in my mind every single moment, I see symbology in everything. everything around me is a symbol of some sort.
Jerry ;)
This happens to me from time to time. It may span for a day, a week, or sometimes a month each time. Then everything will be back to normal in my mind. It comes and goes as it pleases. Your's appears to not come and go, but is constant with you. The only way to understand the symbolism, is when it wishes you too. I understand exactly what you are experiencing.
Take care,
GB
This may be how to scientifically transform the carbon nano tubes into a transparent aerogel, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_oil
If you extracted the honey oil or hash oil from the plant and replace it with a gas such as carbon dioxide, then it may turn into an aerogel. "The land of milk and honey".
Have to leave for work now and don't really have time to explain this. I'm sure you have this all figured out and the extraction of the honey oil replaced with a gas may not be the answer. Not even sure if the honey oil even qualifies or has properties of a gel.
GB
Jerry,
The honey oil extracted from the plant are carbon compounds. Extract the honey oil from the plant. Mix a batch of cornstarch with water or milk to a consistency in this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq3ZjY0Uf-g Watch the entire video. This is your milk.
Now mix the milk with the honey oil. It will have properties of a gel and act like a solid with heat and pressure, which is part of the process to create a Carbon Aerogel. This is the promised land, "the land flowing with milk and honey" or the land flowing with carbon aerogel spacecrafts.
Take care,
GB
Edit: Here is another video of a pool filled with cornstarch and water, which is a non-newtonian fluid. When stress is applied to the liquid it exhibits properties of a solid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw&NR=1
Non-newtonian fluids, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_Newtonian_fluid
Jerry,
It may be possible to extract the carbon compounds from the bamboo or acacia plants with the same or similar process as the honey oil in the hemp plant. I used the honey oil as a reference, in order to show what may be possible, since it is already well documented for that particular plant.
The liquids in the carbon compounds can be extracted and replaced with carbon dioxide or another gas during the process to create the aerogels, leaving the aerogels to be made up of pure carbon.
Please note, the milk will thicken with heat and act as a solid under pressure, which may allow the replacement of the liquids with a gas to not be required. The gas is used as a replacement to keep the gels from collapsing as the liquids are extracted from the gels, but the milk may accomplish the same thing without the gas. This could lead to a much simpler, faster, cheaper, and safer method for the creation of the carbon aerogels. Please let me know what you think.
Take care,
GB
Hi GB.
it would probably require a vacuum injector like the ones used in wood treatment plants to remove the fluids from the wood via vacuum boiling, the wood fibers could then be further refined by boiling the fibers in an inert fluid to separate the fibers even further. once the fibers are singular stranded then we could possibly introduce your idea of Aerogel process.
Since I don't have a high quality lab and a really good vacuum chamber all I can do is wait until I get some research money to go through the steps of working out the details.
I am pretty sure we would need a very good vacuum chamber for starters to boil away fluids in the wood fibers first.
but as soon as the fibers are set and molded then the fiber casting need to be Kilned with the proper aerogel fluids and gases and pressures involved to convert the carbon nano tube fibers to 'quasi carbon-nano-tube' aerogels.
maintaining super low weight ratios but keeping the Ultra Hardness of the material. the refractive rate of such a material would be pretty great but it would be almost invisible to the eye at a distance.
I also wanted to point out that induction heating coils could be used to flash heat the materials to induce very fast crystalization under controlled pressures inside a control chamber. I have seen Ice cubes heated so fast that they actually turn white hot before they have a chance to melt.
here is a process showing just that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLwaPP9cxT4
Jerry ;)