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Title: COAX TPU...
Post by: innovation_station on September 05, 2009, 10:05:51 PM
I READ SOME WHERE THAT COAX WILL BE GOOD FOR A TPU ...

WELL GUESS WHAT ... 

I GOT SOME OF THE BIGGEST COAX YOU CAN IMAGINE GIVEN TO ME ...

AND I ANIT TALKING A FOOT OR 2 LOL

ALL DIFFRENT SIZES ... THE BIGGEST I SAW THAT I WAS GIVEN IS 860 COAX ...  OVER 3/4 "

AND I HAVE SOME SMALLER STUFF TOO  OOOO A FEW HUNDRED FEET IN TOTAL ... SO FAR ..  ;D ;)

IST

WHO WANTS TO BUILD A COAX TPU WITH ME ... 

??

COPPER COATED ALUM WIRE IN AN ALUM TUBE ...  :)

PEACE!

I HAVE NEVER USED COAX IN ANY OF MY TESTS ... YET ..  8)

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: infringer on September 06, 2009, 11:11:51 AM
RG6 would likely not prove useful in that case...

On a side note the tools for making bends are not that costly and well worth the investment well for doing it by hand anyways automated anything is always more costly...
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: innovation_station on September 06, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
i can have 100's of miles of rg6 if i want it ...

the stuff i have now is easly bent ...

probally 1" would be the largest i can get ...

altho im not sure

the coax i was given is ALL BRAND NEW...

it is the end of the roll  the longest peices i will have are bout 100 ' long at the  most ..

but bend like butter ...  ill just use a cardboard tube ... to make round rings ... i even have large alum connectors .. and heat shrinks ... for the coax  ;D

if some one would want a peice of it ... i can ship it to you  .. as long as you cover the shipping costs you can have a peice of it for free ..

ill even bend it to a ring for you  :)

also i was thinking of ... connecting the inner wire to the outter then wind a coil on it ... i will use pnp switching on thease units ... and diodes so the colpase must go to the alum .. i will not let it back feed to the pulseing source ..

ist!
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Grumpy on September 08, 2009, 09:02:57 AM
pretty sure that the exciter and the collector can not be inductively coupled...
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: innovation_station on September 17, 2009, 08:39:40 AM
well i have been so busy .. the last few days ...

but here is a picture of SOME  of the coax i have aquired for this style tpu ...

ill get to building it sooner than later

ist!

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: techieatwork on November 29, 2009, 10:58:13 PM
I want to build one too.

Pls tell me the schematics, and I will start asap.

I thought a bike rim pure aluminum would be a good core for a coil, then, if needed, I can wrap with black-sand (soft iron, no eddy currents) core around it.
Pls tell me what next.
techieatwork
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: tsl on November 30, 2009, 03:14:20 AM
blind building will not do it. also it would be wise to consider that the width of the pulses generated by a coax are damn short and also adjustment would be a pain in the ass.by using a coil as the shield of the coax you'll have more controll over the named parameters
still, i'm glad to see that my idea is rooting.
take care,
tsl
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: szaxx on November 30, 2009, 08:05:22 AM
hi all,
If the pulses you need are to be veery short you can always use the best pulse genny you got and send the pulses into a saturable inductor. Simply a toroid with a few turns around it like the same as S Marks has in his device. what happens is the pulse current builds a magnetic field in the ring and this shortens the pulse out by becoming saturated. do a search on them there are some very good patents on these giving info on building. as a bonus to pulse  shortening if you build them correctly they act as a magnetic amplifier and all the power you put in comes out in a much greater amperage with corresponding shorter pulse.
hope this info is useful    steve
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: innovation_station on November 30, 2009, 08:39:12 AM
yes well i have well over a few thousand feet of coax ..

i was given 2 15db 15vdc rf amps.. and some HUGE SURGE PORTECTORS..

a few ways i would hook up such a unit ..

otto way ...  all 1 wire ...  copper center .. is the loop alum caseing is otto collect ..  colpase will collect on alum and be added to center copper .. or you just center copper ... and colide in the ring ..

alum should contain it to a degree..

have fun ..  shop is almost finally set up ..

ist! i have truck loads of bigtime rf gear ... you dont just walk into a store and buy what i have aquired ... lol   you need a liecence to purchise .. this gear ..  ;)  the amps i have are not small !

i have almost a compleate cable system .. just taken down from use 3 or 4 months ago.. including 3 fibre nodes..
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on November 30, 2009, 01:39:21 PM
Quote from: szaxx on November 30, 2009, 08:05:22 AM
hi all,
If the pulses you need are to be veery short you can always use the best pulse genny you got and send the pulses into a saturable inductor. Simply a toroid with a few turns around it like the same as S Marks has in his device. what happens is the pulse current builds a magnetic field in the ring and this shortens the pulse out by becoming saturated. do a search on them there are some very good patents on these giving info on building. as a bonus to pulse  shortening if you build them correctly they act as a magnetic amplifier and all the power you put in comes out in a much greater amperage with corresponding shorter pulse.
hope this info is useful    steve

Sorry.

Never found a patent for a toroidal saturable reactor with the poloidal windings reversed half way around like the ones on some of the TPUs. On top of that, the cores shown don't even look like cores. They look more like a coil form. So you need to guess what is inside connected to the other two wires.

I've seen thousands of toroidal cores in my lifetime. None look like the one in the TPU.

BEP



Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: giantkiller on November 30, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
Requirements:
Resonance frequency of your coil.
a 2 pulse system by using two frequencies.
Each pulse 5 to 50 ns.
Synch both pulses dead on then move the 2nd pulse outward or away with a delay.
You will see a single pulse, then a saddle pulse, then the second hump of the saddle will increase above the source voltage.
Depending on the turns, mass of copper, the diameter then your Kick should be present and quite high. This is why steel and iron don't work. Copper is faster and drops the field quicker. The  echo hits our conductors.
If you haven't done this you haven't seen the kick. This has not been stated in what I have seen. If I have missed a thread with these exact instructions then post it. Otherwise nobody here has seen this Kick.
I have done this and have seen the kick. It is a reverberation from Nature, an echo. You will have no current consumption based upon power usage.

--giantkiller. I stand on the shoulders of those before me.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: innovation_station on November 30, 2009, 02:07:57 PM
i have not done this test ...  however all materials to do so have been delivered ...

gk ...  i can understand what is going on the doors are slamming shutt... the returning echo

is the kick you are feeling  this is not for the unexperienced..   baby steps ... 

ist!
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: szaxx on November 30, 2009, 04:50:32 PM
Hi all,
Not totally up to speed on this thread but the info given is to allow a very fast pulse output from a somewhat slower one.
Free patents online, find Patent US4707619 to view what I am talking of. The ones you were speaking of are not too well known. Unless the pincushion correction cores are of use, someone knew of TV engineering it appears before the first TPU was made.....some patents of these are at the same site also.

cheers Steve.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Gobaga on November 30, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: BEP on November 30, 2009, 01:39:21 PM
Sorry.

Never found a patent for a toroidal saturable reactor with the poloidal windings reversed half way around like the ones on some of the TPUs. On top of that, the cores shown don't even look like cores. They look more like a coil form. So you need to guess what is inside connected to the other two wires.

I've seen thousands of toroidal cores in my lifetime. None look like the one in the TPU.

BEP

Steven's toroid looks like a toroidal isolation transformer wound for high voltage.  Single winding to keep the high potential end from the low potential end and looks like a high voltage isolator in the middle.  That flushes the saturable reactor idea down the crapper.  Ol' Steve would have used this to isolate the pulse coils from the signal source.  Can't have  freaky stuff screwing up the timing.  See attached:

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Gobaga on November 30, 2009, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on November 30, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
Requirements:
Resonance frequency of your coil.
a 2 pulse system by using two frequencies.
Each pulse 5 to 50 ns.
Synch both pulses dead on then move the 2nd pulse outward or away with a delay.
You will see a single pulse, then a saddle pulse, then the second hump of the saddle will increase above the source voltage.
Depending on the turns, mass of copper, the diameter then your Kick should be present and quite high. This is why steel and iron don't work. Copper is faster and drops the field quicker. The  echo hits our conductors.
If you haven't done this you haven't seen the kick. This has not been stated in what I have seen. If I have missed a thread with these exact instructions then post it. Otherwise nobody here has seen this Kick.
I have done this and have seen the kick. It is a reverberation from Nature, an echo. You will have no current consumption based upon power usage.

--giantkiller. I stand on the shoulders of those before me.

This was discussed here and appears to be pulse compression:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7377.msg188871#msg188871

Sweet thing about this is no hv switch is required.

In order for this to "do something", there has to be something to "do something" to.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on November 30, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: Gobaga on November 30, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
Steven's toroid looks like a toroidal isolation transformer wound for high voltage.  Single winding to keep the high potential end from the low potential end and looks like a high voltage isolator in the middle.  That flushes the saturable reactor idea down the crapper.  Ol' Steve would have used this to isolate the pulse coils from the signal source.  Can't have  freaky stuff screwing up the timing.  See attached:

Thanks for the pic @Gobaga.

Unfortunately, your pic may look similar to the one on the TPU to most but not to me.

@szaxx

Pincushion correction cores! Last time I heard that term was probably in the late seventies.
A possibility..... I need to look into that.

Thanks.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on November 30, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
Ah yes!

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3566181.pdf

Split and reversed poloidal windings around a solenoid winding. This explains why the typical rounded edges of the core are not shown. It also explains why the outer diameter thickness is more than the inner diameter thickness.

This meets the description I see and others don't and still allows it to work as a saturable reactor.

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Gobaga on November 30, 2009, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: BEP on November 30, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
Ah yes!

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3566181.pdf

Split and reversed poloidal windings around a solenoid winding. This explains why the typical rounded edges of the core are not shown. It also explains why the outer diameter thickness is more than the inner diameter thickness.

This meets the description I see and others don't and still allows it to work as a saturable reactor.

sat reactor came later - his core looks a little funny and is probably insulated

Anyone pulsing should recognize that toroid by now.  Grumpy had one on his avalanche board.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on November 30, 2009, 11:36:01 PM
@Gobaga

No disrespect intended but...

The patent link I posted is the first truly similar toroid to the one used in the TPU I've seen discussed or posted by anyone on this board. The little toroid on the TPU is not a common garden variety toroidal inductor/transformer nor does it look like one.

Folks should really look closer. To me it is obvious.
1. They are different
2. People seem to want everyone else to think they are the same.

You can build one the way you wish using a common toroidal core, with any winding configuration you want. It will never look the same as those shown on the videos.

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: szaxx on December 01, 2009, 06:21:21 AM
hi all,
Not got too much info but can recall the effect of what I think you are saying about the split reversed windings on a torroid. At Uhf  you would find this effective for radiating emf, look up collinear antenna it may be nothing to do with it but as a frequency dependant circuit it may be part of the feedback control to prevent runaway, just a thought.
do we know that it isnt just a current transformer
Steve`
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on December 01, 2009, 06:41:02 AM
Current transformer?

Not likely as the winding around the circumference is reversed half-way around. This would cancel any output developed from axial current flow.

Also, the small toroids on the TPU each have four wires exiting. A CT only has two unless it is multi-tapped.

I think this device is a method of controlling inductance/saturation while preventing transformer coupling between the control and signal windings. In other words, a mini TPU.

>>Edit

Now there is a thought.
What if you had no initial source of power in a primary winding but still wanted power out on the secondary of a transformer?

You vary the density of the Earth's magnetic field within your secondary with a perpendicular control winding. With that coil orientation you would be canceling the coupling between the control and secondary but still vary the inductance of the secondary.

Of course, early tries would require magnets to concentrate the Earth's magnet field, in a radial fashion, within the secondary.

BEP
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: szaxx on December 01, 2009, 07:35:53 AM
HI all,
A current transformer does have 2 coils, 1 for the metering and typically a 1 fat wire through the centre for current measurement.
If the winding is reversed half way then correctly said this will appear to cancel the magnetic field but it generates 2 opposing fields, net result is zero overall . It also generates an electric field which (tesla wave theory) causes induction to any metallic object in the locality. Conservation of energy dictates if power goes in to a device it must be converted to something, it cant just disappear can it?
It may be fed dc as suggested for a flux gate control as used for lighting control systems of last century.
the core itself, do we know that itsnt a barium ferrite ring magnet? Im thinking along the floyd sweet device as this had a similar winding for energy collection (phase conjugation, cooper pairs). It seems that most devices assumed to output overunity characteristics utilise this within them in some way.
scratching at the starting post!!!!
Steve.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on December 01, 2009, 07:43:31 AM
Quote from: szaxx on December 01, 2009, 07:35:53 AM

A current transformer does have 2 coils, 1 for the metering and typically a 1 fat wire through the centre for current measurement.

Huh?

If you mean the 'fat wire' is the conductor being monitored, then yes. That is not part of the CT.
If you mean a common CT has two actual windings -- sorry....never seen such an animal. Having spent two decades designing control switchgear I think I would have run across something like that.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: szaxx on December 01, 2009, 08:04:19 AM
hi bep,
yes the fat wire goes through the centre of the torus is a part of it  its only a half turn. anyother wire near to it is not part. sorry if it came across wrong. think about the torus in a soldering gun. the fat wire in reverse, quarter of a volt 100's of amps.

steve
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: wattsup on December 01, 2009, 09:24:52 AM
If you look close at the FTPU toroid, you will notice that there are two black and two white wires coming out of the toroid center. The white wires are thicker then the black wires. Why since both coils are using the same gauge wire? The two white wires look identical to the white horizontal loop wires. Why? Tried discussing this some time ago hoping some could shed some light or possible logic on this.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: innovation_station on December 01, 2009, 09:30:46 AM
Quote from: wattsup on December 01, 2009, 09:24:52 AM
If you look close at the FTPU toroid, you will notice that there are two black and two white wires coming out of the toroid center. The white wires are thicker then the black wires. Why since both coils are using the same gauge wire? The two white wires look identical to the white horizontal loop wires. Why? Tried discussing this some time ago hoping some could shed some light or possible logic on this.

well  why do you think ...   

i have a pretty good idea ..

w

didnt sm have a clamp meter he waves over the tpus..  and it goes nuts ....  why ?

ok ..  depending on sm's source of engery as a supply ...  wich is still unknowen ...  lol
the colpase in the balum ..  is rectified to an air core loop electromagnet that focouses its .. magnetic output on the balum .. toroide ...  and he can place a magnet on it ... so inturn the effect from breaking the system ... PUSHES MAGNETIC ENGERY FROM THE MAGNET TO THE CORE TO REPETE...   flux push...  some where along the way he has out put places stuck ... can be center core can be out side ... can be WHERE EVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT....   :D

do you think the caps will charge in a CHANGEING ELECTROMAGIC FEILD
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on December 01, 2009, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: szaxx on December 01, 2009, 08:04:19 AM
hi bep,
yes the fat wire goes through the centre of the torus is a part of it  its only a half turn. anyother wire near to it is not part. sorry if it came across wrong. think about the torus in a soldering gun. the fat wire in reverse, quarter of a volt 100's of amps.

steve

My Bad!

You were completely correct. I am used to the switchgear sized devices. I didn't think about the medium/high voltage and small types used in smaller devices. However, I don't think the center conductor correlates with the other two wires in the TPU toroid.

BEP
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on December 01, 2009, 01:49:02 PM
Quote from: wattsup on December 01, 2009, 09:24:52 AM
If you look close at the FTPU toroid, you will notice that there are two black and two white wires coming out of the toroid center. The white wires are thicker then the black wires. Why since both coils are using the same gauge wire? The two white wires look identical to the white horizontal loop wires. Why? Tried discussing this some time ago hoping some could shed some light or possible logic on this.

I believe the wires with the thicker insulation and the white incapsulation on the outside indicates higher voltage. The thicker insulated wires would be connected to the poloidal turns and the wires with less thickness would be connected to a planar ribbon coil that is the actual core. That planar ribbon coil would be like a tapered transmission line only coiled(and one conductor). The outer wrap would control the saturation and impedance of the inner coil and be the return line for the transmission line.

Rotation, clapping of fields, delay and all that rot.

BEP

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on December 01, 2009, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: innovation_station on December 01, 2009, 09:30:46 AM

didnt sm have a clamp meter he waves over the tpus..  and it goes nuts ....  why ?


Yes. I have such a meter. When the clamp is closed there are only two things that will cause a reading, current flow through the center of the clamp or a rotating radial magnetic field. Pulsing one like a motor works does not do it.

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: wattsup on December 01, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
@IST

Well one obvious reason is the two white wire come from the outer rings and pass through the toroid cores and the two black wire run both coils in bucking mode.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: giantkiller on December 01, 2009, 03:23:44 PM
What I built is 2 of those tinys inside 3 larger rings. My thought was to bias the bigger wires and use the tinys as a cannons pulsing the bias field to send shockwaves for electrostatic build up on the larger loops. The top and bottom loops are fired in opposite directions. The middle wire was the receiver to pump the cannons.
The other thought I had was to bias the top and bottom in the same direction and pulse those. Then after a delay pulse the middle in the opposite direction to cancel the flux. Like the Kunel patent.
Take the FTPU, elongate from top and bottom say to a 3 foot long tube, flip it on it's side and you have the Kunel or the Smith pvc table top device.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: wattsup on December 01, 2009, 05:08:46 PM
@BEP

I like the ribbon toroid idea as that could be a plausible angle. I will have to find a few of these and test them out.

Regarding what @IST said and your answer to him about the ammeter reading, if you could ever make a small diagram showing how the field would have to move on those toroids, that would be a great plus to visualize it.

@GK

What I do not get is the idea that electrostatic shock waves will even find the loop since they would be going out in all directions and the loops themselves occupy such a tiny physical space around any type of wave. Seems to me at least 99% of that wave would not even see the loop. But then again, maybe I have not understood your idea well enough.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: szaxx on December 01, 2009, 06:43:11 PM
hi all,
can a location of photos be listed here as Ive had mostly for 2 years text only and limited memory to boot. now Ive got a powerful up to date computer and this will speed up my various projects also. Ive seen some videos and quality is not too good to make detailed observations.
some threads have good descriptive posts and these are excellent, but not all and now to read them all again will take years!
Ive worked with electrics and electronics for over 30 years from 4000 amp switching to microwatt units....
I know there is a solution to this device and it will be solved! Its a b1tch 4 sure.

cheers 4 now  Steve.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: giantkiller on December 01, 2009, 06:52:59 PM
If you have iron core you have storage to play with in the loop.
If you have copper core you have external field to play with because there is no storage.
That is why in the air coils you see gaps.
In the iron cores you don't albeit spacing occurs to just get enough windings around the ring.

Quote from: wattsup on December 01, 2009, 05:08:46 PM
@BEP

I like the ribbon toroid idea as that could be a plausible angle. I will have to find a few of these and test them out.

Regarding what @IST said and your answer to him about the ammeter reading, if you could ever make a small diagram showing how the field would have to move on those toroids, that would be a great plus to visualize it.

@GK

What I do not get is the idea that electrostatic shock waves will even find the loop since they would be going out in all directions and the loops themselves occupy such a tiny physical space around any type of wave. Seems to me at least 99% of that wave would not even see the loop. But then again, maybe I have not understood your idea well enough.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Gobaga on December 01, 2009, 08:36:02 PM
Quote from: BEP on November 30, 2009, 11:36:01 PM
@Gobaga

No disrespect intended but...

The patent link I posted is the first truly similar toroid to the one used in the TPU I've seen discussed or posted by anyone on this board. The little toroid on the TPU is not a common garden variety toroidal inductor/transformer nor does it look like one.

Folks should really look closer. To me it is obvious.
1. They are different
2. People seem to want everyone else to think they are the same.

You can build one the way you wish using a common toroidal core, with any winding configuration you want. It will never look the same as those shown on the videos.

No disrespect taken or intended.  I think you are over-thinking the toroid.  It is not visible on every unit.

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: giantkiller on December 01, 2009, 11:10:10 PM
To me this sounds like good advice to build your own and not try reverse engineer some thing seen with out specs.

The tiny tpu thingy is in all of the tpus, just different configurations.

Quote from: BEP on November 30, 2009, 11:36:01 PM
@Gobaga

No disrespect intended but...

The patent link I posted is the first truly similar toroid to the one used in the TPU I've seen discussed or posted by anyone on this board. The little toroid on the TPU is not a common garden variety toroidal inductor/transformer nor does it look like one.

Folks should really look closer. To me it is obvious.
1. They are different
2. People seem to want everyone else to think they are the same.

You can build one the way you wish using a common toroidal core, with any winding configuration you want. It will never look the same as those shown on the videos.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Gobaga on December 01, 2009, 11:28:50 PM
Uz guys are killin' me...the toroid must be part of the controller since it is in the middle of the ring, and if it is, then it ain't part of the ring windings.  It's just a means to an end.  You don't see it on the later small black TPU.  Could be under the block-looking lump though.  Don't see it on the blue one though.

Based on the whole bifilar coil delayed pulse thing, I still think the toroid is just to isolate the controller from the ring coils.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on December 02, 2009, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: Gobaga on December 01, 2009, 11:28:50 PM
Uz guys are killin' me...the toroid must be part of the controller since it is in the middle of the ring, and if it is, then it ain't part of the ring windings.  It's just a means to an end.  You don't see it on the later small black TPU.  Could be under the block-looking lump though.  Don't see it on the blue one though.

Based on the whole bifilar coil delayed pulse thing, I still think the toroid is just to isolate the controller from the ring coils.

Sometimes I wish that was a simple truth.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: EMdevices on December 02, 2009, 11:11:37 PM
@marco,  now you have a frequency to go after, very nice, emanating from the florescent lamps or not, it's there to be exploited !!

@all,  the toroidal core seems to be at the heart of the TPUs, because it seems to be in every TPU, and the mini TPU (tested on that glass table) seems to be just the core itself, with some windings on it.   The open tpu (OTPU) seems to have the toroid underneath it and SM points to it and says something like, "coil action" here.

EM
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: innovation_station on December 02, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
Quote from: EMdevices on December 02, 2009, 11:11:37 PM
@marco,  now you have a frequency to go after, very nice, emanating from the florescent lamps or not, it's there to be exploited !!

@all,  the toroidal core seems to be at the heart of the TPUs, because it seems to be in every TPU, and the mini TPU (tested on that glass table) seems to be just the core itself, with some windings on it.   The open tpu (OTPU) seems to have the toroid underneath it and SM points to it and says something like, "coil action" here.

EM

it seams to me with work from mk1 we nailed down the interaction sm speeks about...  lol 
i grab both feilds produced on the on and on the off.... from 1 coil .. across as many as you so desire...

ist!

i made the other coil last night .. it can be a tpu wireless electricty or a tesla teleportor ..

but i really like this cridder .. :)
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Gobaga on December 03, 2009, 08:57:26 AM
Quote from: BEP on December 02, 2009, 12:00:24 AM
Sometimes I wish that was a simple truth.

In regard to the "wire reversing direction", that fuzzy picture is not definitive evidence of this.  You can not see the underside of the toroid or the inside of it.  A wire can wrap around something and have another wire coming off the other side.  It appears to wrap around but does it?

Until someone with a working TPU says that the toroid is wound this way or that way, we will never know for sure.  We can speculate forever in vain.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: innovation_station on December 03, 2009, 10:26:08 AM
go read the joule theif thred .... .

my goodness...

there you will find answers to every question you have ...

and all the tests videos and proof to back the entire workings of it up ...

stop pissing in the wind ...

i have now 200 diffrent coils ...

I CAN MAKE EM ALL SING .... CAN YOU ?

now you remember the saying about pissing in the NORTH wind ...  it may come back frozen and hit you in the face ....
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on December 03, 2009, 10:31:41 AM
@innovation_station
With respect to Reply #40,
What kind of output voltage can you expect from an input voltage of, say, 1.5 VAC?  Your second toroid set is stepping up the voltage quite a bit in the schematic.

--Lee
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: innovation_station on December 03, 2009, 10:40:10 AM
i think ... it is derurmaned by the finer gage of wire ..

or you can add more high self inductance to the configuration ..

it can be run with dc pulses as well

it is designed to use as least as possible ..


i have other designs i can force feed with ...  but they will bite you .. BAD...

so i dont show them too much .. 

ist


Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: BEP on December 03, 2009, 01:08:41 PM
Quote from: Gobaga on December 03, 2009, 08:57:26 AM
In regard to the "wire reversing direction", that fuzzy picture is not definitive evidence of this.  You can not see the underside of the toroid or the inside of it.  A wire can wrap around something and have another wire coming off the other side.  It appears to wrap around but does it?

Until someone with a working TPU says that the toroid is wound this way or that way, we will never know for sure.  We can speculate forever in vain.

Very true.  :)

So all attempts at confirming/falsifying the possibilities should end for now. After all, none of the information provided to-date has allowed the completion of a working TPU.

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Gobaga on December 03, 2009, 08:43:16 PM
Quote from: BEP on December 03, 2009, 01:08:41 PM
Very true.  :)

So all attempts at confirming/falsifying the possibilities should end for now. After all, none of the information provided to-date has allowed the completion of a working TPU.

There is a lot of very good and interesting information here.  Unfortunately people worked on it for a little while and then lost interest.   Some went on to other things, some left entirely.  They may have been very close and didn't know it.  There are some people here that appear to just hang around like it is a bar, posting endlessly fleeting ideas.  Others just argue about everything.

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: szaxx on December 06, 2009, 02:46:14 PM
hi all,

re the torus with the reverse windings.

I remembered, that the thing could output dc.
Its was experimented on long ago and It was tricky to set up.
an iron rod (no specifics) had 2 bifilar windings identical size and equidistant from each end. windings labeled as a1 a2, b1 b2,( first coil), c1 c2, d1 d2,(second coil). connect a2 to c1   then  b2 to d2.  use a1 and c2 as the input   and b1 and d1 as the output. it was then tested by inputting a sweep frequency 1hz to 1mhz very slowly. Cannot remember the power level or if the core actually was saturated. at a point the thing gave a dc output not ou but an output.
reasons for this were to do with the time the electrons travel into the windings and the rate of buildup of flux in the coils. this being finite an imbalance occured in the windings allowing dc out. this experiment probably colers' from the 1920's ish may have something to do with it as there was a way not mentioned to increase the current output to match the input. maybe the torus has a property of lossless power conversion???
something to chew on,
Steve.
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Gobaga on December 08, 2009, 08:27:56 AM
Quote from: BEP on December 03, 2009, 01:08:41 PM
Very true.  :)

So all attempts at confirming/falsifying the possibilities should end for now. After all, none of the information provided to-date has allowed the completion of a working TPU.

There is yet another possibility: saturable core transformer and transistor oscillator

Make nice square waves.  They are called magnetic-transistor pulse generators.  They can be controlled by temperature with a thermistor.  Looking at teh references, this sort of thing gained popularity in the 50's and 60's.  This paper is from 1961. The paper even recommends 79 permalloy. Could Steven have wound his own cores?

https://soar-ir.shinshu-u.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/10091/2839/1/Engineering11-03.pdf

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on December 08, 2009, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: Gobaga on December 08, 2009, 08:27:56 AM
https://soar-ir.shinshu-u.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/10091/2839/1/Engineering11-03.pdf
Is there an English translation?  This computer I'm borrowing doesn't have the Japanese language plug-in software module(s).

--Lee

Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 08, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
high everyone  ;D

is COAX mainly used as antenna?

hmmmm.

i really love wires they're soooo delicious hmmmmmm  ;D
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: gyulasun on December 09, 2009, 06:58:23 AM
Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on December 08, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
high everyone  ;D

is COAX mainly used as antenna?

hmmmm.

i really love wires they're soooo delicious hmmmmmm  ;D

Hi Tito,

Coax (cable) is used mainly for FEEDING power to antennas. However there are certain antenna types that are constructed from coax cables instead of wires (or rods or pipes).  Such coax-made antennas are nicknamed as Bazooka by ham radio operators.

rgds, Gyula
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on December 09, 2009, 11:28:50 AM
Quote from: gyulasun on December 09, 2009, 06:58:23 AM
Hi Tito,

Coax (cable) is used mainly for FEEDING power to antennas. However there are certain antenna types that are constructed from coax cables instead of wires (or rods or pipes).  Such coax-made antennas are nicknamed as Bazooka by ham radio operators.

rgds, Gyula

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7832.0

Here are a lot of patents involving antennae, and a few use coax cables, but not too many.  They're mostly on the last pages at the end of the file.

--Lee
Title: Re: COAX TPU...
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2009, 10:51:09 PM
Quote from: gyulasun on December 09, 2009, 06:58:23 AM
Hi Tito,

Coax (cable) is used mainly for FEEDING power to antennas. However there are certain antenna types that are constructed from coax cables instead of wires (or rods or pipes).  Such coax-made antennas are nicknamed as Bazooka by ham radio operators.

rgds, Gyula

Thanks Gyula!  ;D

you're revealing secrets ha  ;D