Here is the Database report I designed to show data on all pure Beta Emission Isotopes that have half lives of one year or greater only.
I will post the database file a little later.
if you are happy with the work I am doing then please make a small donation to www.overunity.com towards the site and or prize award else it is free to any Nuclear researcher that wishes to download it.
If it looks like it is in demand then I will continue to catalog all other decay modes and possibly even program some software to display the Isotope formats with some user controls.
the zipped .odt file can be opened by any editor that supports its viewing like open office or microsoft word.
Jerry 8)
Here is the PDF version of the Pure Beta Isotopes report incase you need to view it in this format.
Jerry
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 12, 2009, 04:37:16 AM
Here is the PDF version of the Pure Beta Isotopes report incase you need to view it in this format.
Jerry
Hey Jerry,
The
Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, has---or had---a list of all known natural isotopes with basically the information you gave above. Practically every library should have one---or more---copies in their reference section. Is that where you complied your information?
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on October 12, 2009, 03:01:43 PM
Hey Jerry,
The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, has---or had---a list of all known natural isotopes with basically the information you gave above. Practically every library should have one---or more---copies in their reference section. Is that where you complied your information?
--Lee
Hi Lee.
actually I have 2 years college chemistry experience, I have my own data collection and library for study and research, I just filtered out what was needed to help people study 'pure Beta' Isotopes that have 1 year or greater in half life.
routine charts usually don't filter out the faster half lives of seconds, minutes, hours or days which are pretty useless for the kind of long term energy requirements needed for Beta cells.
there are a lot of isotopes with half lives less than 1 year so It took me a little while to filter the data and present it to you.
most of the chemical charts I already have memorized, I have about 99% of all periodic table data in memory as well, I love chemistry.
if there is anything you would like to see done then pop me a suggestion and I will see what I can do for you.
Jerry
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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actually I have 2 years college chemistry experience, ... I love chemistry.
Sorry, I forgot you had said that earlier.
I've been doing research for a long time on propellants. I thought I would need the information some day, but I also studied supersonic aircraft as well. I still might find a job in the future where knowing all that would be helpful.
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...there is anything you would like to see done then pop me a suggestion and I will see what I can do for you. ...
Thanks for the consideration, but I'm fine for now. Thermodynamics was a specialty of mine.
--Lee
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 12, 2009, 03:48:40 PM
Hi Lee.
actually I have 2 years college chemistry experience, I have my own data collection and library for study and research, I just filtered out what was needed to help people study 'pure Beta' Isotopes that have 1 year or greater in half life.
routine charts usually don't filter out the faster half lives of seconds, minutes, hours or days which are pretty useless for the kind of long term energy requirements needed for Beta cells.
there are a lot of isotopes with half lives less than 1 year so It took me a little while to filter the data and present it to you.
most of the chemical charts I already have memorized, I have about 99% of all periodic table data in memory as well, I love chemistry.
if there is anything you would like to see done then pop me a suggestion and I will see what I can do for you.
Jerry
Hi
I am looking into Beardens free energy colector with degenerate semiconductor and I am wondering where to find a chart or other information on the relaxation times of different conductors.
Do you have any ideas or do you know of a source for this information.
Thanks GSM
I have e-mailed United Nuclear to see if 42-Argon, -b emitter is available, 42-Argon emits 600KeV of Beta Radiation, compared to 3-Tritium's 18.591KeV beta emission, 42-Argon's Radio-luminescence should be 32 times brighter if used as a Beta light source. 42-Argon has a half life of 32.9 years compared to Tritium's 12.5 year half life.
if it is available I will see if it can be used as a trapped gas filler for Aerogel gas micro pockets, combination's of other rarefied Isotopes along with 42-Argon to change the frequency of emissions or radiation color emission.
analogy;
Stones filled with fire.
Jerry 8)
Apparently United Nuclear doesn't carry 42-Argon, real shame.
Now checking Cambridge Isotopes Laboratories, Inc..
that is a no go on Cambridge Isotopes Laboratories, Inc
Cutting edge,
I have similar interests as yours.
Are you familiar with the British (GB763062) Coleman, Seddon-Gillespie patent? I have been collecting the goods to try and build this, but lack the chemical expertise. I have positioned myself working in a job that has placed decent rad gear in my possession. Accurate alpha, beta, neutron counters and dosimeters etc. as well as being nuclear Haz-Mat trained. I have the RF expertise and gear to drive it. I just need some one with the Chemistry background. I think I have procured most of the chemicals to try it.
I read your list of beta emitters , FYI Cs-137 also pukes out copious amounts of Gamma-
Zatheros
Quote from: ZathEros on March 11, 2010, 10:17:29 PM
Cutting edge,
I have similar interests as yours.
Are you familiar with the British (GB763062) Coleman, Seddon-Gillespie patent? I have been collecting the goods to try and build this, but lack the chemical expertise. I have positioned myself working in a job that has placed decent rad gear in my possession. Accurate alpha, beta, neutron counters and dosimeters etc. as well as being nuclear Haz-Mat trained. I have the RF expertise and gear to drive it. I just need some one with the Chemistry background. I think I have procured most of the chemicals to try it.
I read your list of beta emitters , FYI Cs-137 also pukes out copious amounts of Gamma-
Zatheros
Hi Zatheros.
latest model is 42-Argon, Cesium 137 gives off gamma rays as a byproduct of hitting harden objects, Cesium 137 has a value of 1175.63KeV which is almost double that of 42-Argon, some radioisotopes give off 'more' radiation if the shielding is hard and less radiation if the shielding is soft. this is a factor with beta rays, if they have the energy and a hard target they can give off X-rays and or Gamma rays if the energy is equivalent. so it depends a lot on what kind of shielding you use, for instance, a beta ray may not give off any 'extra' radiation if it hits Styrofoam but may give off gamma rays if it hits tungsten. it depends on how well the beta rays are absorbed without extra byproduct radiation.
§ 30.19 Self-luminous products containing tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147.
(a) Except for persons who manufacture, process, produce, or initially transfer for sale or distribution self-luminous products containing tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147, and except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, any person is exempt from the requirements for a license set forth in section 81 of the Act and from the regulations in parts 20 and 30 through 36 and 39 of this chapter to the extent that such person receives, possesses, uses, transfers, owns, or acquires tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147 in self-luminous products manufactured, processed, produced, or initially transferred in accordance with a specific license issued pursuant to § 32.22 of this chapter, which license authorizes the initial transfer of the product for use under this section.
(b) Any person who desires to manufacture, process, or produce self-luminous products containing tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147, or to transfer such products for use pursuant to paragraph (a) of this section, should apply for a license pursuant to § 32.22 of this chapter, which license states that the product may be transferred by the licensee to persons exempt from the regulations pursuant to paragraph (a) of this section or equivalent regulations of an Agreement State.
(c) The exemption in paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147 used in products primarily for frivolous purposes or in toys or adornments.
[34 FR 9026, June 6, 1969, as amended at 40 FR 8785, Mar. 3, 1975; 43 FR 6921, Feb. 17, 1978; 52 FR 8241, Mar. 17, 1987; 58 FR 7736, Feb. 9, 1993]
With respect to Reply #11,
The subject of that post(Gov't regulations) remained in the back of my mind until I saw the post.
Also, there's the possibility of Homeland Security becoming interested in the experiments of any and all OU.com site Members, or the general public, who attempt to acquire even small amounts of materials mentioned in the post.
Moreover, have a look at this:
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 14, 2010, 03:23:06 PM
With respect to Reply #11,
The subject of that post(Gov't regulations) remained in the back of my mind until I saw the post.
Also, there's the possibility of Homeland Security becoming interested in the experiments of any and all OU.com site Members, or the general public, who attempt to acquire even small amounts of materials mentioned in the post.
Moreover, have a look at this:
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html
--Lee
True, some people should not get involved unless proper study and safety constraints are met, this includes federal and or state laws and or regulations of proper handling of materials.
if these above rules are applied then it really isn't dangerous.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 12, 2009, 02:24:52 AM
...If it looks like it is in demand then I will continue to catalog all other decay modes and possibly even program some software to display the Isotope formats with some user controls.
@all + jerry
Notice:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat4835433.pdf
http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm
http://www.google.com/patents?id=oKM5AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Sr-90 is also a beta emitter, but it's a compound that's is likely available by license from the Gov't, since it's used a lot in medicine.
-Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 23, 2010, 11:07:02 PM
@all + jerry
Notice:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat4835433.pdf
http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm
http://www.google.com/patents?id=oKM5AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Sr-90 is also a beta emitter, but it's a compound that's is likely available by license from the Gov't, since it's used a lot in medicine.
-Lee
Is there some reason why the government don't want you to have it, I certainly agree if you do, they know that Nuclear Beta voltaic would compromise their best interests. NASA should only be allowed to use such technology in spacecraft interstellar or not, NOT!
there are various Isotopes that flip the bill that are not under extreme supervision and do the job.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on March 23, 2010, 11:24:13 PM
Is there some reason why the government don't want you to have it, I certainly agree if you do, they know that Nuclear Beta voltaic would compromise their best interests. NASA should only be allowed to use such technology in spacecraft interstellar or not, NOT! ...
Money talks loudly to these people. It always did.
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...there are various Isotopes that flip the bill that are not under extreme supervision and do the job.
Paint in radio-luminescent watch dials might be one. Thorium compounds, I think. Widely available and inexpensive. I do like the patent, but it takes way, waaaay specialized parts to be built.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 23, 2010, 11:39:43 PM
Money talks loudly to these people. It always did.Paint in radio-luminescent watch dials might be one. Thorium compounds, I think. Widely available and inexpensive. I do like the patent, but it takes way, waaaay specialized parts to be built.
you should never listen to a guy like me, you might learn something new. even if it is a couple of decades apart. still, there are those who don't even pay attention to technologists and the insults will still in-sue.
with solar voltaic coming up to +90 % efficiency and with beta voltaic energy I could clearly achieve OU, since the process to make them is 20,000 times less then the amount of energy they deliver, Beta voltaics produces 20,000 times more energy output than what it took to make its isotope.
I have been preaching about light trapping and light amplifcation techniques for a couple of decades now in solar tech, now it is finally coming full circle soon. but slowly. I hate the slowly part.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on March 24, 2010, 12:17:34 AM
I have been preaching about light trapping and light amplifcation techniques for a couple of decades now in solar tech, ...
I remember seeing, awhile ago, a patent
application for a contraption that had a light bulb in the center that was surrounded by photosensitive sheet material which generated more power than the light consumed. Cadmium sulphide was mentioned as an example. There were others(like indium sulphide that were better, but more expensive).
There was no patent that I could see, since
I believe the application was stalled or rejected by the Patent Office "powers that be". Not surprising. It was impressive in it's OU possibilities.
--Lee
Quote from: ZathEros on March 11, 2010, 10:17:29 PM
Cutting edge,
I have similar interests as yours.
Are you familiar with the British (GB763062) Coleman, Seddon-Gillespie patent? I have been collecting the goods to try and build this, but lack the chemical expertise. I have positioned myself working in a job that has placed decent rad gear in my possession. Accurate alpha, beta, neutron counters and dosimeters etc. as well as being nuclear Haz-Mat trained. I have the RF expertise and gear to drive it. I just need some one with the Chemistry background. I think I have procured most of the chemicals to try it.
I read your list of beta emitters , FYI Cs-137 also pukes out copious amounts of Gamma-
Zatheros
I've looked at the Colman/Gillespie patent and something struck me about it.
I'm no expert in anything, but it seems to me that being patented in the 50's they may not have known exactly what was taking place.
That is, I see no studies or measurements of the supposed radiation emitted, to confirm that's what was indeed happening.
I have a theory about the operation of this device...
#1.
My theory is that the reason it has to be bombarded with a 300mhz shortwave signal is
not to keep a reaction going,
but rather to keep the quartz resonating, and while it does so, it is MOVING; OSCILLATING; UNDULATING at 300 cycles per second...WHILE securely fastened in place, and filled with metal salts(powder) that may or may not affect this movement...perhaps stabilizing it or something- keeping it from shattering.
This movement puts it under mechanical stress, perhaps enough to build up an electrical potential like that which was described.
#2.
Perhaps the radiation to be shielded against is actually MICROWAVE radiation. (Not being an expert, I question those of you more knowledgeable than I- "Could a lead shield block microwaves?" I've read that the quartz was necessary because of heat buildup, but is it possible that this is from the 300mhz wave heating water molecules and/or a microwave frequency being emitted?
#3.
QUARTZ crystal was used. We know that quartz is a very special substance with unique properties. Under stress, it develops electrical potential. The stress also changes it's resonant frequency. Could this be the secret to free energy? Creating a quartz oscillator that gives off tremendous energy because of the stress of resonating to a specific frequency?
Quote from: microcontroller on July 07, 2012, 12:24:14 PM
no that's not microwaves
microwaves are non ionizing
those beta rays are comparable to soft or hard x rays which are ionizing radiation and hazardous
I see. Thanks.
Perhaps something else made them sick.
As far as I can tell, there's absolutely no evidence that beta rays(or any other radiation) were emitted from the device, other than the inventor's claim.
I can't find any record of the device being made/tested by a third party to confirm it, or much on it at all besides the patent itself.
Quote from: eldon on July 07, 2012, 12:44:50 PM
I see. Thanks.
Perhaps something else made them sick. (I also considered that maybe the cadmium salts are hazardous and that might explain it.)
As far as I can tell, there's absolutely no evidence that beta rays(or any other radiation) were emitted from the device, other than the inventor's claim.
I can't find any record of the device being made/tested by a third party to confirm it, or much on it at all besides the patent itself.
Quote from: microcontroller on July 07, 2012, 12:49:43 PM
X rays often give rise to the phenommena of secondary emission which correlates with many free energy devices.
the amount of secondary electrons can exeed the number of primary electrons ie Steven Mark's cannon balls and Farnsworth Multipactor or like in A Hubbard transformer which is said to have used used radium paint.
it's a well known phenommena that needs to be calculated when designing vacuum tubes.
That's interesting.
Also interesting is the effect in vacuum tubes. Perhaps that had something to do with the success of Tesla's Peirce Arrow experiment which used a number of them.
What gets me about this device though, is that it seems that a simple 300mhz signal can illicit a low energy nuclear reaction. I'm not saying it's not possible, just that it's never been duplicated to my knowledge, and so I tend to think something else is going on.
The quartz was supposedly used for it's heat resistance, but given it's unique properties, I would like to see A) the original device replicated, and B) one with more or less 'cells' of cadmium, cobalt and phosphorus salts and C)a device with some other other heat resistant material other than quartz.
I think perhaps you might see that the device without the quartz produces no output.
I have a suspicion that somehow the quartz oscillation doesn't take as much energy to keep going as the energy released when it's under this stress of vibrating at 300 cycles per second. The fact that it used quartz and a 300mhz frequency says to me that we have a (possibly very special) quartz oscillator that could account for the power.
Quote from: microcontroller on July 08, 2012, 05:22:23 AM
i have seen it many times before.
the Michel MEYER NMR Amplifier Generator uses a similar principle although slightly different it has no real radioactive elements which would make it a preffered choice as you don't want to mess with real radioactive sources for obvious reasons.
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyernmr/meyer.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/meyernmr/meyer.htm)
there are more but then i have to digg them up.
Man, now I'm gonna have to translate that one hehe.
“God spoke to me last night! He spoke in French…did not understand a word he said!â€
-Steve Martin
That's all very, very interesting.
I thought that even though
normally quartz doesn't put out much current that this might be different. If it's really emitting radiation and creating a nuclear reaction, then what is actually happening to the cadmium, phosphorus, and cobalt salts? I mean, maybe it's possible that
one of the three is actually reacting with the other two, gaining and giving up electrons, but if that's the case, then wouldn't that mean that you have transmuted one or more of them into an 'isotope'?
Cadmium-107 has a half-life of 6.5 hours.
Every other known isotope of the three lasts for days or years, which is partly why I have trouble believing that the Colman/Gillespie generator is creating a low energy nuclear reaction...but maybe in the presence of the magnetic field and the other elements draining electrons off of it, you would speed up the decay.
The device doesn't seem too difficult to build, other than obtaining the materials.
Maybe we could get this guy to build one:
http://pesn.com/2012/07/01/9602123_Dale_Pond--The_Love_Scientist/ (http://pesn.com/2012/07/01/9602123_Dale_Pond--The_Love_Scientist/)