i am aware of how profoundly distasteful this thread is going to be,
to many of you.
but there is a greater than 80% probability,
that this post is exactly what the "elites" are planning.
there for,
NONE of us can afford to dismiss this thread !
please copy the URL of this post,
onto other websites.
our best chance,
is for as many people as possible,
to read this.
the norway spiral,
was most likely caused with millions of high frequency volts,
by a HAARP facility.
(possibly BILLIONS of volts.)
millions of high frequency volts,
has the ability,
to adjust the earths orbit.
the earths orbit is electro-magnetic,
and responds to electro-magnetism.
there for,
millions of high frequency volts,
SPINNING IN A SPIRAL,
definitely has the ability,
to adjust the earths orbit !
this adjustment,
would only have to be SLIGHT,
to change the earths orbit.
so that over time,
the orbital adjustment,
would grow larger and larger.
because most of you are smart enough,
to realize how easy it is,
to imbalance a spinning wheel,
if the wheels center is even slightly off-center.
in fact,
the many spirals that have been seen over the world,
have ALL been HAARP adjustments !
so that the orbital adjustment is being done,
with as much precision as possible !
the elites have ALREADY made this orbital adjustment.
the earth is ALREADY changing its orbit.
this is the cause of all the abnormal weather.
and the cause of the abnormal orbit of the moon.
it is the EARTHS orbit that is changing !
the MOONS orbit is staying the same !
EARTH is abnormally spinning, NOT the moon !
i suspect that they plan to stop the orbit adjustment,
once norway is the north pole,
and new zealand is the south pole.
and that another spiral will be seen,
around new zealand in the next few weeks,
as part of this orbital adjustment process.
this orbital adjustment,
would likely increase the amount of usable farmland on the planet,
by twice or more of what it is now.
north africa and the middle east,
would become lush grassland.
east russia would become temperate.
west canada and alaska would become temperate.
west austrailia would become lush grassland.
most of antarctica would become temperate to warm.
japan would become a little warmer.
east china would become pleasantly cooler.
india would become pleasantly cooler.
yet south africa would become lifeless desert.
east austrailia would become arctic to tundra.
england would become permafrost.
most of west europe would become remarkably colder.
(west europeans would move in masses, to north africa.
because of the short distance, and lack of current lack of crowding.)
i think the "elites" plan for much of the population to die from violent weather/floods,
and most of the rest to die,
from not being able to move fast enough,
from a cold/hot place,
to a milder place.
for years i have known,
that a large number of rich people,
were moving themselves to the state of minnesota,
in the US.
the rich people have been heavily setting up ethanol plants,
and ethanol gas stations there.
to power their vehicles and homes.
even though CURRENTLY,
minnesota has very hostile winters.
there is an old saying.
that if you want to get rich,
you place your money in the same place that rich people place their money.
and large numbers of rich people,
have been placing their most valuable asset of all,
in minnesota.
themselves,
their families,
and their basic living environment !
because this large number of rich people EXPECT west canada,
which is relatively close to minneapolis,
to become much more inhabitable,
in the near future.
they want to take advantage of west canada's future climate,
and future availability of thawed out natural resources.
by living close enough to the future changes,
yet living close enough to the current industrial/agricultural support of the midwest,
to benefit from both.
the above,
is why north america and russia,
have been the strongest of secret allies,
for decades.
because the "elites" planned this orbital adjustment decades ago,
told the russians about it,
and the russians became strong allies as a result.
because this change HEAVILY benefitted both of them.
and because if they remained enemies after the adjustment,
than they would be direct enemies.
when there was no need for them, to be direct enemies.
this is also why the "elites",
have been moving large number of third world persons,
to west europe and england.
because when west europe and england become an arctic grave site,
all the richer,
more organized,
and more resourceful people,
will move to north africa and the middle east.
and expect the third worlders,
to die before they could escape from west europe,
and from england !
it is also why the "elites" have been working with the mexican government,
to transport large numbers of lower class persons,
from mexico and middle america,
to the south west united states,
and to the west coast.
because the "elites" expect the rapidly melting,
FORMER-polar ice caps,
to greatly raise the water levels of the oceans.
for the rapidly raising ocean levels,
to FLOOD the low elevation land,
of the south west and west coast.
for the lower class mexicans and central amiercans to DROWN,
before they could escape the south west,
and from the west coast !
in fact,
the elites plan for the rapidly raising ocean levels,
to drown EVERYONE who lives too close,
to low-elevation coastal area's.
they figure that anyone who is smart enough,
to already be living in safety when the floods come,
must deserve to live.
if you think about it,
it makes PERFECT strategic sense.
the earth becomes far more fertile.
the new climate would be colder and wetter.
which encourages western european style civilization.
instead of hotter and dryer.
which encourages third world country conditions.
such as readily available food,
a lack of incentive to cooperate in order to survive,
a great incentive to become a violent stupid bastard,
JUST to protect yourself against other violent stupid bastards,
and no "russian eviction" option.
(burning down the house and food supplies,
of someone you hate during the winter,
to kill them with hypothermia and starvation.)
(so that they are quickly and certainly removed from your environment,
with no chance to return.)
This was quite a rant indeed!
I don't actually see a problem with the plan ..except for the part where they change the orbit of the earth without affecting the moon.
..The Norway spiral was one of those embarrassments of the Russian Military. If I had the money, I might buy a couple hudred of them, make quite a spectacular fireworks show out of failed rockets in the ionosphere! ..spinning about like that. They would have to be modified to spell my name though, ..or even, some other message...
like, "wtf?" ...or just a big fat exclamation mark, and a dollar sign.
Even as a failure, it was quite impressive. I bet detectors had a field day tracking it ( of course, we won't hear anything about that will we? ).
But let's think about the plan in question, orbital change, etc.
If the earth were to rotate ONCE, slowly perpendicular to it's current rotation, Ice would form along the equator, and it would melt at the poles. This would have the effect of replaceing water lost inside the continental areas and cool the planet.. as well as cause much havoc. If it did this durring winter, it's effects would be like a really cold winter.
Summer would bring lots of vegetation if the orientation went back to where it did. And the poles would just go back to where they were.
Crustal shift is an odd-ball theory, possible, but seeing as how the earth's crust has multiple domains representing thousands of years of polar activity ( millions really ) then it's fair to assume that a changing pole won't really cause the havoc that it did in that recent movie...2012.
The worst that could happen is an unwarranted panic ( year 2k anyone ).. according to the same radical-alignment theories, we were all supposed to get it on 5/5/2000 ..but nothing happened except a bunch of drunkeness ..cinco de mayo? anyone?
Well my mind is blown, that's all that I can say. I just can't figure out where the force would come from to change the Earth's orbit. I had better go and watch some old Star Trek episodes. Or read the works of Johannes Kepler and Albert Einstein.
MileHigh
12 volts at a fraction of an amp, moves an electric motor.
millions of volts,
at who knows how many amps,
spinning in a spiral,
can move a whole lot.
the earths orbit is as easy to adjust,
as a spoon balanced on the end of a pencil.
even a slight adjustment to earths orbit,
could cause a big change,
over time.
a HAARP facility can poke the earths orbit with a stick,
as many times as its owner wants.
i don't understand,
how you don't understand this.
For what it's worth permit me to paraphrase you and change a word or two:
i don't understand,
how you understand this.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on December 21, 2009, 01:22:34 AM
For what it's worth permit me to paraphrase you and change a word or two:
i don't understand,
how you understand this.
MileHigh
because i see the larger picture.
and what i posted makes perfect sense,
in the larger picture.
you need only look at google earth,
and imagine that norway is the north pole,
and new zealand is the south pole,
to see how vastly the climate change would profit the greedy.
and we have a limitless abundance of greed, on hand.
as early as 1954,
the "elites" understood that overpopulation,
would eventually destroy all quality of life on this planet.
sometime between then and now,
they decided that an orbital re-adjustment,
was the easiest way to kill off most of the excess population,
without "permanently" damaging the environment.
they tried war,
starvation,
engineered diseases,
and more.
hoping that these less serious things,
would do the job.
because as effective as the orbit method was,
it was and is extremely dangerous.
if they messed it up,
they could kill "everything" on earth.
not just the selected population.
but the other methods aren't killing us fast enough or effective enough.
and enough of us have become aware enough of our economic slavery,
that we are threatening to end their gravy train.
so the "elites" have chosen the orbital re-adjustment method after all.
in the small hopes,
that it kills enough people,
that they get to continue pretending to run the world.
the norway spiral,
was one of the HAARP facilities,
that is tilting earths orbit.
that they showed it off at night time,
24 hours before obama's nobel peace prize ceremony,
was no different than them flipping the bird at the world with one hand,
while pointing a gun with the other hand.
you may ask me any question you like,
regarding why i think my theory is accurate.
but if you are not careful with your words,
i might not respond to you.
I do know that they plan to return the bulk of the US back to greenery...so shifting the planets axis to align the largest land mass to the temperate zone makes sense.
Also...none of us really know the full potential of HAARP, so anything is possible.
Regards...
I can only make one comment and that is that England is the Mecca of the Illuminati. They would never let any harm come to it.
Quote from: nitinnun on December 21, 2009, 02:25:13 AM
they tried war,
starvation,
engineered diseases,
and more.
In short, they are pretty bloody useless.
Quote from: nitinnun on December 20, 2009, 10:01:39 PM
i am aware of how profoundly distasteful this thread is going to be,
to many of you.
but there is a greater than 80% probability,
that this post is exactly what the "elites" are planning.
there for,
NONE of us can afford to dismiss this thread !
please copy the URL of this post,
onto other websites.
our best chance,
is for as many people as possible,
to read this.
the norway spiral,
was most likely caused with millions of high frequency volts,
by a HAARP facility.
(possibly BILLIONS of volts.)
millions of high frequency volts,
has the ability,
to adjust the earths orbit.
the earths orbit is electro-magnetic,
and responds to electro-magnetism.
there for,
millions of high frequency volts,
SPINNING IN A SPIRAL,
definitely has the ability,
to adjust the earths orbit !
this adjustment,
would only have to be SLIGHT,
to change the earths orbit.
so that over time,
the orbital adjustment,
would grow larger and larger.
because most of you are smart enough,
to realize how easy it is,
to imbalance a spinning wheel,
if the wheels center is even slightly off-center.
in fact,
the many spirals that have been seen over the world,
have ALL been HAARP adjustments !
so that the orbital adjustment is being done,
with as much precision as possible !
the elites have ALREADY made this orbital adjustment.
the earth is ALREADY changing its orbit.
this is the cause of all the abnormal weather.
and the cause of the abnormal orbit of the moon.
it is the EARTHS orbit that is changing !
the MOONS orbit is staying the same !
EARTH is abnormally spinning, NOT the moon !
i suspect that they plan to stop the orbit adjustment,
once norway is the north pole,
and new zealand is the south pole.
and that another spiral will be seen,
around new zealand in the next few weeks,
as part of this orbital adjustment process.
this orbital adjustment,
would likely increase the amount of usable farmland on the planet,
by twice or more of what it is now.
north africa and the middle east,
would become lush grassland.
east russia would become temperate.
west canada and alaska would become temperate.
west austrailia would become lush grassland.
most of antarctica would become temperate to warm.
japan would become a little warmer.
east china would become pleasantly cooler.
india would become pleasantly cooler.
yet south africa would become lifeless desert.
east austrailia would become arctic to tundra.
england would become permafrost.
most of west europe would become remarkably colder.
(west europeans would move in masses, to north africa.
because of the short distance, and lack of current lack of crowding.)
i think the "elites" plan for much of the population to die from violent weather/floods,
and most of the rest to die,
from not being able to move fast enough,
from a cold/hot place,
to a milder place.
for years i have known,
that a large number of rich people,
were moving themselves to the state of minnesota,
in the US.
the rich people have been heavily setting up ethanol plants,
and ethanol gas stations there.
to power their vehicles and homes.
even though CURRENTLY,
minnesota has very hostile winters.
there is an old saying.
that if you want to get rich,
you place your money in the same place that rich people place their money.
and large numbers of rich people,
have been placing their most valuable asset of all,
in minnesota.
themselves,
their families,
and their basic living environment !
because this large number of rich people EXPECT west canada,
which is relatively close to minneapolis,
to become much more inhabitable,
in the near future.
they want to take advantage of west canada's future climate,
and future availability of thawed out natural resources.
by living close enough to the future changes,
yet living close enough to the current industrial/agricultural support of the midwest,
to benefit from both.
the above,
is why north america and russia,
have been the strongest of secret allies,
for decades.
because the "elites" planned this orbital adjustment decades ago,
told the russians about it,
and the russians became strong allies as a result.
because this change HEAVILY benefitted both of them.
and because if they remained enemies after the adjustment,
than they would be direct enemies.
when there was no need for them, to be direct enemies.
this is also why the "elites",
have been moving large number of third world persons,
to west europe and england.
because when west europe and england become an arctic grave site,
all the richer,
more organized,
and more resourceful people,
will move to north africa and the middle east.
and expect the third worlders,
to die before they could escape from west europe,
and from england !
it is also why the "elites" have been working with the mexican government,
to transport large numbers of lower class persons,
from mexico and middle america,
to the south west united states,
and to the west coast.
because the "elites" expect the rapidly melting,
FORMER-polar ice caps,
to greatly raise the water levels of the oceans.
for the rapidly raising ocean levels,
to FLOOD the low elevation land,
of the south west and west coast.
for the lower class mexicans and central amiercans to DROWN,
before they could escape the south west,
and from the west coast !
in fact,
the elites plan for the rapidly raising ocean levels,
to drown EVERYONE who lives too close,
to low-elevation coastal area's.
they figure that anyone who is smart enough,
to already be living in safety when the floods come,
must deserve to live.
if you think about it,
it makes PERFECT strategic sense.
the earth becomes far more fertile.
the new climate would be colder and wetter.
which encourages western european style civilization.
instead of hotter and dryer.
which encourages third world country conditions.
such as readily available food,
a lack of incentive to cooperate in order to survive,
a great incentive to become a violent stupid bastard,
JUST to protect yourself against other violent stupid bastards,
and no "russian eviction" option.
(burning down the house and food supplies,
of someone you hate during the winter,
to kill them with hypothermia and starvation.)
(so that they are quickly and certainly removed from your environment,
with no chance to return.)
[/quote
Nittinun, your posts are interesting, provocative, and I agree with much of what you say. But I have a problem with this one. There is NO evidence that the ice caps are melting, when you look at the big picture. There is NO evidence that the sea levels are rising, in fact, if anything they are falling slightly. Al Gore's premise that this is going to drown us, and Arnold Schwarzenegger talking about wildly inflated sea levels, way above the UN stated levels, is pure nonsense and propaganda. The ice caps are not going to melt. They expand and contract, just as they have always done. In fact, 85-90 of the glaciers are thickening, although it is not deemed politically correct to admit it, by slick con-men, liars and fakers like Al Gore. The polar bears are 3 times more abundant than they were 50 years ago. They can swim, and they aren't going to die because we can't pay our carbon taxes.
This talk about melting ice caps is a bit thick. Look, I am freezing my t*ts off in snowy London, I have a clear sense we are heading for an ice age, you can believe in this global warming melting cap nonsense if you prefer.
What is not being talked about is the 500 per cent increase in underwater volcanic activity over the last 10 years, not talked about, naturally. Icebergs are melting, and drifting over to New Zealand and Australia? of course they are! one reason might be because of the massive increase in thermal output from underwater volcanoes, and the evidence for this is increasing every day, including recent news from the philippines - www.iceagenow.com.
The Earth has been cooling for the past ten years, and Gore is a liar and a fraud - the sea levels are NOT rising, we are not going to be flooded, whatever Arnold Schwarzenegger says. Yes, he was excellent in Terminator, but just because he can act, well, kind of - doesn't make him a great statesman, any more than B movie actor Ronald Reagan made a great president. I mean, come on, guys, all these people are related - look at their bloodlines. John Kerry, George Bush, supposed 'antagonists' -that's a laugh. Same secret society, skull and bones. Nether prepared to talk about it on national television when questioned. Colin Powell, same bloodline. Clinton, Rockefeller offspring question. Prescott Bush, funding the Nazis. We have a religion of DNA thrust upon us on national television - all we hear about today is DNA, what diseases we can cure with it, how important this is,
why population control is so important, why we should be adding lithium to the water supply in addition to the toxins that are already there.
Eugenics.
Question everything you read, including this post. Find out for yourselves.
Yes, it's going to get colder and wetter, whatever the climate alarmists say. But melting icecaps and rising sea levels? somehow, I don't think so.
the elites use and abuse the entire world.
they are not sentimental enough,
to keep the content of england around,
when the results of the orbital adjustment,
would be hundreds of times more profitable,
than the sum value of england itself.
Quote from: Paul-R on December 21, 2009, 10:41:31 AM
In short, they are pretty bloody useless.
mankind was more tenacious,
than they estimated.
those things were supposed to be heavy enough to off the masses,
but not heavy enough to damage the economic structure.
they are out of options. which is why they now want to use HAARP,
to smack mother earth up side her head.
and give her a slant to her walk.
sigh......
silverfish.
most of the orbital re-adjustment,
has NOT HAPPENED YET.
because obviously,
NORWAY IS NOT THE NORTH POLE YET.
when norway is made the north pole
the ice over the current north pole,
will be sitting in a much warmer part of the planet.
and will MELT.
if all the ice of both poles melted,
than the ocean levels could be expected to raise by 200 feet.
the elites are adjusting the poles SLOWLY.
because if they did the adjustment too fast,
the adjustment would be too hard to control.
and the weather disruption would be too severe,
for the economy to survive.
the rate at which it happens,
depends on how often they use HAARP.
their use of HAARP,
to create the norway spiral,
shortly before obama's nobel peace price ceremony,
is them declaring their intent to use it,
more often.
i think they are growing impatient.
Nitinnun:
Are you familiar with basic statistics, the "bell curve," also known as the "normal distribution" with its associated mean and standard deviation?
If you plot the human psyche on a bell curve you are located are at least five standard deviations to the left of the mean.
MileHigh
nitinnun, the problem I see with you is that you are waiting for a demise that won't happen. because it doesn't exist. you are a paranoid schizophrenic. period.
they need to tilt it the other way just a bit so i can get nice 65-70 degree weather all year
selfist sounding i'm sure but it would keep me from having to move when i get older....lol...lol
Quote from: MileHigh on December 21, 2009, 10:31:13 PM
Nitinnun:
Are you familiar with basic statistics, the "bell curve," also known as the "normal distribution" with its associated mean and standard deviation?
If you plot the human psyche on a bell curve you are located are at least five standard deviations to the left of the mean.
MileHigh
i learned at a very young age,
that most people had little to say,
that was worth listening too.
yet most people had a lot to say,
that was ignorant,
insolent,
harmful,
inflammatory,
very poorly considered,
and outright corrosive to my well being.
your post,
is an example of these things.
you have only spoken unconstructiveness.
without helping in some way.
if you want to have a meaningful life,
than you must have an open, generous attitude.
AKA a constructive attitude.
because only such an attitude,
will bring the worthwhile things of the world,
into your life.
where a closed, misery, cruel, unkind attitude,
will actually repel the worthwhile things of the world,
out of your life.
dismissing a new theory,
and insulting the person,
who was brave enough to share the new theory (for free),
is neither open nor generous.
it is the opposite,
of a constructive attitude.
i do not know enough about you,
to determine the quality of your life.
but i can say with 100%,
that your life is much less,
than it can be.
based on attitude alone.
It is interesting to see these thoughts written out.
I do think that the only way they could change the earth's orbit using electromagnetic device, is to change the reference frame which it is locked to.
Surely, adhering to your thinking, if something does happen, obviously it's unnatural and a man, somewhere, having pushed a button is to blame.
Nitinnun:
I think that it's important to speak out against complete and total nonsense once in a while. Certainly you are flooding this site with your crazy paranoid crap, like some sort of spook that crawled out of the woodwork.
I don't know if you can't think straight or have some deep dark problems or whatever, but for sure as the sun shines you are doing nothing but polluting this place with your completely nonsensical junk.
Just about everything that you are saying is garbage, laughable nonsense. Somebody should tell you this once in a while. What you are doing is a disservice to everyone that reads you.
My advice to you is to get your head on straight and start thinking like a normal person.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on December 22, 2009, 02:18:34 PM
Nitinnun:
I think that it's important to speak out against complete and total nonsense once in a while. Certainly you are flooding this site with your crazy paranoid crap, like some sort of spook that crawled out of the woodwork.
I don't know if you can't think straight or have some deep dark problems or whatever, but for sure as the sun shines you are doing nothing but polluting this place with your completely nonsensical junk.
Just about everything that you are saying is garbage, laughable nonsense. Somebody should tell you this once in a while. What you are doing is a disservice to everyone that reads you.
My advice to you is to get your head on straight and start thinking like a normal person.
MileHigh
..Well, if he's right about HAARP, then maybe he's being effected by it?
Maybe I am.
( gasp )..sometimes I wonder.
Nitininimimum,
Only in my wildest dreams could I hope to reach the staggering heights of stupidity that you have climbed. I am literally in awe of your inept communication skills, lack of rational thought, and breathtaking gullibility.
Someday, just maybe someday, I can be as completely devoid of rational thought as you are. I can only hope, but at least you give me something to strive for.
John
Quote from: MileHigh on December 22, 2009, 02:18:34 PM
Nitinnun:
I think that it's important to speak out against complete and total nonsense once in a while. Certainly you are flooding this site with your crazy paranoid crap, like some sort of spook that crawled out of the woodwork.
I don't know if you can't think straight or have some deep dark problems or whatever, but for sure as the sun shines you are doing nothing but polluting this place with your completely nonsensical junk.
Just about everything that you are saying is garbage, laughable nonsense. Somebody should tell you this once in a while. What you are doing is a disservice to everyone that reads you.
My advice to you is to get your head on straight and start thinking like a normal person.
MileHigh
i can tell that you have not considered ONE SINGLE THING,
that i have posted.
and if you have,
than you have considered less than 80%,
of its potential meaning.
but you have every right to choose,
what it is that you read.
and what you prefer to believe is true.
but if you are going to incriminate yourself,
with repeated offenses of ad hominem,
than you could at least have the decency,
to post at least one constructive thing,
that is "not" ad hominem.
such as discussing point by point,
why my theory, is inaccurate.
that is, if you have the ability,
to constructively argue against a position.
without comiting an act,
that would automatically disqualify you,
from any formal debate.
and as for my choice,
of language structure.
i have found that this format,
is easier to express,
and absorb,
than the indigestible chunks of raw wordage,
that most people use.
it is not unlike the structure of a poem.
yet can be reconfigured,
as easily as a small sized math problem.
and is closer in form,
to the shape of a persons focus.
this form even CLEARLY SHOWS,
where one idea stops,
and another idea begins.
unlike your typical punch-bowl-of-floating-bits-format,
which is a true torture to the mind,
to navigate.
odds are that even the average person,
could absorb complicated concepts,
more easily in this form,
than in the normal page-long form.
but again.
you may select which ever sentence format,
that you prefer.
but you have no philosophical room what so ever,
to say that your prefered way,
is more valid than my prefered way.
i think their using haaaaarp to pull down ufo's magnetically to do testing to why they only steal cows in the middle of the night...
of course what do i know???... hahahahahahaha
IMHO This is not possible.It is possible to change Earth plane of rotation or direction of rotation or pole-shift. That's all - results are partially predictable.
There is slight possibility to change Earth orbit but results are TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE and MOST PROBABLY DISASTROUS !
Do not mess with WHEELWORK OF NATURE !
Galaxy is truning Solar System, Sun is turning planets.
The Earth is going to remain in a stable orbit for billions and billions of years provided it does not get clobbered by something moon-sized smashing into it. The orbit will be so stable that it will outlast the sun, which will eventually turn into a Red Giant and swallow up the inner planets.
You can calculate the angular momentum of the Earth in orbit around the Sun, as well as the Earth's moment of inertia about it's axis. Both of these values are so unbelievably massive that would take astronomical amounts of energy to change either one. Energy that is beyond our capabilities to generate for the foreseeable future. The Earth is in orbit and spinning in a frictionless vacuum.
All talk about the Earth changing its orbit or its axis of rotation when in fact there are no unbalanced forces acting on it are complete nonsense.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on December 23, 2009, 11:30:31 PM
The Earth is going to remain in a stable orbit for billions and billions of years provided it does not get clobbered by something moon-sized smashing into it. The orbit will be so stable that it will outlast the sun, which will eventually turn into a Red Giant and swallow up the inner planets.
You can calculate the angular momentum of the Earth in orbit around the Sun, as well as the Earth's moment of inertia about it's axis. Both of these values are so unbelievably massive that would take astronomical amounts of energy to change either one. Energy that is beyond our capabilities to generate for the foreseeable future. The Earth is in orbit and spinning in a frictionless vacuum.
All talk about the Earth changing its orbit or its axis of rotation when in fact there are no unbalanced forces acting on it are complete nonsense.
MileHigh
your attitude is the opposite,
of an attitude that produces something.
if everyone had your attitude,
than we would go for thousands of years,
without discovering anything new.
because people would only know,
when they already assume they know.
and nothing new would dare be considered.
the suns magnetic field,
is likely the only correctional force,
that earth has.
the high voltage,
high amperage,
high frequency HAARP spiral,
CHANGES where the suns orbit-correcting magnetism,
reaches the earth.
because higher frequency magnetism,
has less resistance,
than low frequency magnetism.
and magnetism flows away from high resistance,
and towards low resistance.
if a pocket of high frequency,
low resistance magnetism,
is created over norway,
than that means the suns orbit correcting magnetism,
it attracted more towards norway,
and attracted less towards the north pole.
or towards anywhere else, period.
if a basketball is spinning on the ground,
and high frequency is applied,
to one side of the basket ball,
and ambient low frequency,
is on the other 3 sides,
than the basketball would move,
towards the higher frequency.
the basketballs orbit,
would change.
it is the same reason why overunity torroids,
produce excess electricity.
the electrons willingly move,
from an area of lower frequency,
towards and area of higher frequency.
because electrons want to move,
from higher resistance,
towards lower resistance.
millions of volts,
at who knows how many amps,
might be small,
compared to the total weight of the earth.
but even a small adjustment,
can alter the entire orbit.
and there is no limit,
to the number of times,
that this small adjustment,
can be made.
they could use HAARP thousands of times,
if they wanted.
to slowly implement the orbit of their choice.
which is why the spirals have been seen,
all over the world.
because they are carefully pinpointing,
where the adjustments are made !
just like a modern space vehicle,
needs countless thrusters,
to carefully adjust its movement,
in space.
@nitinnun,
The spiral in Norway was a failed 3 stage of an Russian rocket. It had nothing to do with
any HAARP installations in the world. What you are posting is ideas from inside you head
and this has nothing to do with the outside world. Use your brain to check some facts.
The spiral was observed and photographed as far apart as 1000 Km in Norway. If you put
the images onto a map and draw a line from each image in the direction that particular image
was taken, then you get lines that point to the White sea in Russia.
The sun rise is in a east direction and was right under the horizon because it is
winter time in Norway. This set a perfect stage for illuminating the exhaust gasses from the missile.
This particular missile had a gas leak in the third stage that produced asymmetrical trust, thus made
the rocket rotate. At an altitude of almost 100 Km the air pressure is almost non existent. This made the
rocket exhaust gasses disperse very quickly making the spiral formation illuminated from the sun.
There are images on the Internet that shows the contrail from the missile from the ground level and up.
(See attached image.)
Don't take me wrong, I have absolutely nothing against free thinking persons like you, but posting
all this nonsense in this free energy forum is a waste of bandwidth.
Groundloop.
Harrp is a study of the electromagnetic phenomenon created by the collision of coronal mass ejection aka solar wind on the day side of the Earth. The shockwaves generated by this create longitudinal waves in the ionosphere as well as the interplanetary plasma mass. They are called Alfen (hope I spelled this correctly) waves. The Harrp deal is trying to generate these waves in a portion of the ionosphere to study them and verify that the aurora borealis is caused from magnetic reconnection causing space storms. There are a huge amount of communication sattelites out there that man in his infinite capacity to be stupid is becoming reliant upon. Trillions of dollars invested in the new communication cage or grid we are becoming reliant upon. The Sun burps all that shit down the tubes. We worried when the computers were expected to go down in 2000 now think about a worldwide blackout due to every transformer on Earth and in the sattelites above generating power in excess of anything man has ever done for the last 200years collectively. Electrostatic fields spontaneously arrising all over the place. You ask me heliophysicists know this shit is coming and soon. Harrp is an experiment to see how bad it can get or perhaps an attempt to reinforce the magnetosphere to save the new tower of Babel we have built. GPS gone Compasses gone. Telephone gone. Micrwave communications gone. AC power plant main transformers gone. What a frigging mess. So instead of giving out the truth and allowing the people to prepare the industrial military complex is taking care of its own collective ass and fuck the rest of the lesser people who dont belong to the club.
to nitinun
the master extrapolator
youre going to have to publicly eat your hat if those lights dont shine over new zealand
i for one will be taking note of any sightings in the area-and if there are you will become
an overnight sensation
keep on going man, some of us appreciate radicals
After reading your posts I was wondering if you and Lawrence are taking the same medication?
who you referring to bill?
Quote from: sparks on December 24, 2009, 09:33:55 AM
Harrp is a study of the electromagnetic phenomenon created by the collision of coronal mass ejection aka solar wind on the day side of the Earth. The shockwaves generated by this create longitudinal waves in the ionosphere as well as the interplanetary plasma mass. They are called Alfen (hope I spelled this correctly) waves. The Harrp deal is trying to generate these waves in a portion of the ionosphere to study them and verify that the aurora borealis is caused from magnetic reconnection causing space storms. There are a huge amount of communication sattelites out there that man in his infinite capacity to be stupid is becoming reliant upon. Trillions of dollars invested in the new communication cage or grid we are becoming reliant upon. The Sun burps all that shit down the tubes. We worried when the computers were expected to go down in 2000 now think about a worldwide blackout due to every transformer on Earth and in the sattelites above generating power in excess of anything man has ever done for the last 200years collectively. Electrostatic fields spontaneously arrising all over the place. You ask me heliophysicists know this shit is coming and soon. Harrp is an experiment to see how bad it can get or perhaps an attempt to reinforce the magnetosphere to save the new tower of Babel we have built. GPS gone Compasses gone. Telephone gone. Micrwave communications gone. AC power plant main transformers gone. What a frigging mess. So instead of giving out the truth and allowing the people to prepare the industrial military complex is taking care of its own collective ass and fuck the rest of the lesser people who dont belong to the club.
that is just my point, sparks.
you cannot trust the people who run the military-industrial complex,
to tell the truth.
they only got that high,
by saying whatever it took,
to serve their selfish personal interests.
and once they got their position,
they only kept their position,
by continuing to say whatever it took.
regardless of what the reality was.
i've been studying the behavior of the rich and powerful,
over the years.
no matter who they are,
or what time they lived in,
they always share certain traits.
one of these traits, is a large capacity for deceit.
because the more resources/power/influence at stake,
the more intrigue/subterfuge/weaseling there is.
of people trying to control it, or steal it.
it requires a large capacity for deceit,
just to survive the subterfuge,
with their income in tact.
let alone to prosper.
and since the survivors have strong deceit,
they use it offensively.
to cheat others out of resources.
because i guarantee that if someone is good at something,
than it is because they have practiced it repeatedly.
and spent lots of time focusing on using it.
it doesn't matter if the elite was an emperor of rome living 2,000 years ago,
or donald trump today.
the larger their net material worth,
the more likely they are to intentionally deceive you.
and if they insist that the norway spiral was a missile,
or that HAARP is harmless magnetic observation equipment,
than that is what they WANT you to think.
not what they think is the truth,
and they cannot wait to share the honest truth with you.
for free.
from the bottom of their lying weasel hearts.
when the truth is the thing most likely to get them killed or jobless.
The thirst for power is unquenchable. Alot of it is the product of poor toilet training of children and neglect of a childs emotional needs. A lack of love and compassion for others. A brain disfunction of the higher orders of the brain that allows one to imagine and become aware of what they are actually doing could be a second explanation. These people's minds have not developed beyond that of the snake. There level of awareness pitiful. They all want to be topdog and once they get there they realize the climb wasnt worth the view. I pity these people their life is meaningless and empty. Perhaps they are a seperate type of species where the reptilian lower brain functions were coupled to higher memory functions but that is where it ended. No ability to imagine. Just watch mindlessly and respond like a snake going after prey because it worked before and this is how I did it I remember. I have no fucking idea what I will do next I'll just go on the hunt and find me another easy meal.
Quote from: jikwan on December 24, 2009, 12:42:44 PM
to nitinun
the master extrapolator
youre going to have to publicly eat your hat if those lights dont shine over new zealand
i for one will be taking note of any sightings in the area-and if there are you will become
an overnight sensation
keep on going man, some of us appreciate radicals
*extends middle finger,
to maximum rudeness length*
*followed by a suggestion,
that you permanently move to new zealand*
*followed by a comment,
that people who expect error-corrected reality served to them by others,
on a silver plater,
dine only on whoppers.*
the one reason why i bothered to create this thread,
was out of what is left of my altruism.
my poor, badly mutilated altruism.
because i see signs of a threat,
and wanted to point them out.
because if i saw the threat,
and it matured, without me pointing it out,
than the harm that it causes, would partly be my fault.
similar to a classical situation,
involving a leaking dam in Holland.
i certainly didn't create this thread,
because i desire your approval and praise.
(i don't respect most of you.
for reasons that many of you likely wouldn't understand.)
(not that many of you have even expressed thankfulness to an other,
at some point in your life.)
i am most comfortable,
living life as secretly as possible.
every time i reveal something to another,
i go against my strong preference for privacy.
because the fewer people,
who know about the things that are important to me,
the sweeter and fresher these things stay.
this importance,
has been smeared by others, with several rat-turds.
(chav-like behavior, as they might call it in england.)
yet in return, i have gained only further reduced altruism.
where if i had kept the importance hidden,
the importance would still be pristine.
one of the reasons,
why the elites are rich and powerful,
is because they don't let others contaminate their importance.
because their importance stays as secret as possible.
so that their outlook on life stays rich, as well as their material wealth.
because they know down to the last man,
that a poor outlook on life,
results in material poverty.
i try to keep a pristine outlook on life.
yet i do not value materialism.
which is the main reason why i am not a millionaire by now.
one of the main reasons,
why the rich and powerful look down on most of the populace,
is because most of the populace has a poor outlook on life.
and is thus seen as a toxic influence.
THEY only respect others,
who do not contaminate,
the importance in the environment.
which means that the elites,
would not respect the general environment,
in these forums.
any more than i do.
wait a minute- i was complementing you
you started the topic as a half baked idea
then i praise you as master extrapolator which h baked tend to be
then i get accused of being rude
c'mon man-lighten up!
I will listen with respect to anyone who takes the time to speak...its the only way to make a broad comparative assessment of future concepts presented in other venues.
Even if less than accurate, sometimes a good story is whats needed to stimulate an idea.
With the exception being an attempt to mislead.
Unless I have rock solid evidence someone is deliberately selling a false premise or concept, I will not and can not feel justified to challenge their position.
What I see is 'Nit' is making some very profound statements, which are pretty hard to argue with...and no one has.
He is also making some other more conceptual statements some take issue with...I know nothing which contradicts him...whether I believe him or not.
I know I have had some things happen to me which opened the door to all possibilities.
The 'all ideas welcome' thread in my mind will never be locked...although a few have been 'booted'.
Please everyone, lets focus on what is being said instead of who is saying it...after all its christmas.
I hope everyone gets what they wish for...and the best for the new year...two-ten.
Regards...
@jikwan
'Nit's' first language is not english...you're post was a little ambiguous.
It may have been easily perceived as a kick in the a$$ and a pat on the back, as he is going out the door.
Especially following posts where some personal remarks were directed his way.
Regards...
cap,
i delete my strong-worded post after reading your recent comment
seems we were both typing at the same time
I am sorry, the easiest way to annihilate most of the earth's population is to alter Earths Quasi-Satellite also known as Earth's second moon called Cruithne, sending a nuke to one calculated side of Cruithne and then detonating it at the correct calculated moment so that it hit either China and or India, Cruithne would kill billions of people and most of the people in the surrounding countries would bare some harsher living.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3753_Cruithne
that is a lot better and easier than adjusting earth's orbit.
a mass object of 1.3×10^14 kg that is 5km wide and traveling at 17.2 miles a second would devastate most of china's and India's population and leave a crater over a hundred miles wide.
Jerry 8)
We would be alerted if they were going to attempt that...because they wood have to relocate Baliwood' first.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 24, 2009, 05:53:14 PM
We would be alerted if they were going to attempt that...because they wood have to relocate Baliwood' first.
Regards...
you know, I didn't think of that, I guess we could send it to Thailand and N.Korea. not as efficient but at least Boliwood would survive. lol
Jerry 8)
just as an example:
NASA initially estimated the energy that Apophis would have released if it struck Earth as the equivalent of 1,480 megatons of TNT. A later, more refined NASA estimate was 880 megatons. The impacts which created the Barringer Crater or the Tunguska event are estimated to be in the 3â€"10 megaton range The 1883 eruption of Krakatoa was the equivalent of roughly 200 megatons.
Apophis is traveling at 19 miles a second and has a mass of 2.7 × 10^10kg and Based upon the observed brightness, Apophis' length was estimated at 450 metres (1,500 ft); a more refined estimate based on spectroscopic observations at NASA's Infrared Telescope Facility in Hawaii by Binzel, Rivkin, Bus, and Tokunaga (2005) is 350 metres (1,100 ft).
Cruithne is roughly 14.8 times more massive than Apophis and would deliver about 13,024 Megatons of impact kenetic energy as it hit the ground.
chalk that one up for the Elites!
Jerry 8)
You can bet the inbred wingnuts considered every diabolically wacky idea imaginable.
Kim Jong Ill wood relish having Baliwood in N Korea...he already thinks he's Elvis.
Regards...
slamming large chunks of the moon,
onto earth,
would cause too wide of disruption.
to the environment,
the economy,
and the elites underground bunkers
(their license to do whatever they want, to the surface, and get away with it).
the moon chunks would also be too hard to control,
and the results would be too random.
the elites are as obsessed with control,
as they are obsessed with materialism.
knowing them,
they would only act,
if they thought that they had at least 85% control,
over something this important.
if the elites have even a small ability,
to electro-magnetically adjust earths orbit,
than that electro-magnetic ability,
can only be dozzens of times more accurate/controllable,
than moon chunks.
and the expected effect,
would be much more predictable.
the elites also want to profit,
off of the expected climate change,
from a certain change of orbit.
such as thawing out most of antarctica,
to extract its completely untapped minerals.
and off of the infrastructure construction,
of currently unpopulated parts of the earth.
such as west canada,
west austrailia,
north africa,
and again, their prestigious trophy, antarctica.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 24, 2009, 04:15:41 PM
I will listen with respect to anyone who takes the time to speak...its the only way to make a broad comparative assessment of future concepts presented in other venues.
Even if less than accurate, sometimes a good story is whats needed to stimulate an idea.
With the exception being an attempt to mislead.
Unless I have rock solid evidence someone is deliberately selling a false premise or concept, I will not and can not feel justified to challenge their position.
What I see is 'Nit' is making some very profound statements, which are pretty hard to argue with...and no one has.
He is also making some other more conceptual statements some take issue with...I know nothing which contradicts him...whether I believe him or not.
I know I have had some things happen to me which opened the door to all possibilities.
The 'all ideas welcome' thread in my mind will never be locked...although a few have been 'booted'.
Please everyone, lets focus on what is being said instead of who is saying it...after all its christmas.
I hope everyone gets what they wish for...and the best for the new year...two-ten.
Regards...
i personally,
have found it very easy,
to understand general concepts.
and extremely difficult,
to determin details.
i can paint extremely convoluted technicolor pictures in my mind,
that show how even an impossibly difficult concept works.
and i can paint this picture, with casual effort.
i even organize my paragraphs,
according to where one concept ends,
and another concept begins.
which i see as the sane way,
to communicate idea's.
but i can barely pass a beginner level college algebra class.
because the details connect to each other,
in non-linear ways.
that disrupt the 1 needlessly restrictive way,
that was arbitrarily dictated,
to be the only true way,
by the math problems sneering author.
or the details quickly drop out of my conscious memory,
like slippery squirming fish,
and into the sea.
(i forget most details within 3 or 4 seconds of becoming aware of them.
because i cannot retain them.)
i forget that most of the persons on this website,
are detail-oriented math-wizards.
who cast magic missile,
with their calculators.
and cast hold person,
on their own intellectual options,
with tens of pages of calculations.
and cast time stop,
on the progress of the world,
when they see that someone forgot to capitalize a word.
where i am a Psion.
and the universe caughs up the information i want,
if i focus long enough.
and the very shifting chaos, of the mental unknown,
is the lake side park, in which i relax myself.
which is not unlike having a cappachino machine,
with in arms reach of your thoughts.
that is to say,
convenient, addictive, and refreshing.
and that given these differences between these thought forms,
they must have few ways,
to determine the accuracy,
of what i claim.
which must make them as uncomfortable,
as their solid brick wall thought forms,
make me uncomfortable.
i have found,
that 2/3 of the truth,
is found in general concepts.
and the remaining 1/3 of the truth,
is found in details.
and when someone is trying to discover the truth,
it is far easier,
to solidify the 2/3 general concepts,
first.
THEN worry about solidifying,
the remaining 1/3 details.
because it is very
difficult,
messy,
and incomplete,
to develop the details first.
then develop the concepts second.
developing the concepts first,
and the details second,
is how the germans design cars.
they design the cars main points first.
then add the fine details.
then worry about making the car look nice last (original volkswagon beetle).
when the british design cars,
they focus on the fine details first.
and worry about the general concept second.
if they bother to focus on the general concept, at all......
the method of the germans works better,
for bringing about new things,
than the method of the british.
which is why the german automotive industry,
is several times more successful,
than what is left,
of the british automotive industry.
if a person focuses on details,
and ignores the concepts,
than they will not understand,
more than 1/3 of the truth.
and it will not matter,
how many hundreds of words they post.
because unlimited shots in the dark,
will only litter the floor,
with missed bullets.