I have uploaded a diagram to show what I have in mind for my test setup. I know it's not very detailed. Please tell me if this looks like a safe and plausible configuration to start with.


I would prefer to do my initial testing using house current connected to the switch instead of from an inverter from a battery. I figure, no sense in using a battery when I have an outlet and my device isn't mobile enough to warrant using a battery, and no sense in taking the risk of breaking my inverter.

Quote from: springfield on July 05, 2008, 08:51:36 AM
@anyone
Can someone get me up to speed on the principle at work here? How does the spark extract the energy from the water?

1. When hydrogen combines with oxygen to make water (ie when it burns), energy is released which can be used to power a device, for example some kind of internal combustion engine.
2. To take water and separate its hydrogen from its oxygen, external energy must be supplied, most commonly electrical energy through electrolysis.
3. The amount of energy involved in #1 and #2 above is exactly the same for the same amount of material: in other words there's an exact give-and-take of energy when you go from hydrogen/oxygen to water and back again.

So here's what I don't get: if you start off with water as fuel I don't see how you can extract the energy from it - in fact, you have to put energy IN to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen. So if that's the case, what's the principle at work here that makes this special spark able to get energy from water? Thanks,
-Mike

As best as I understand it:

The spark plug is ionizing the space in it's gap which creates an electric connection. It's the same process that spark plugs already use, and is the same process that happens before lightning strikes. Once the connection is made though, we are doing what lighting does, which is allow high current to flow through that connection.

The idea seems to be that we can turn water into plasma with less energy than we get out of igniting it. Plasma being the state where each atom is separate (so water plasma is monatomic H and monatomic O), and so we say that we have a field of charged particles.

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on this page http://www.geocities.com/waterfuel111/water_explosion_menu.html, the author states that investigators in the area water arc explosions for rock fragmentation in mining, have noticed the process seems to be 156% efficient.
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Quote from: livingwaters08 on July 05, 2008, 02:04:11 AM
Luc, The posts were here this afternoon, on this thread.  Now they are gone.  I was just asking if they have been moved or deleted??
The discussion involved important information regarding fuel delivery to his recent achievement of running a scooter engine on water.
He also posted his circuit diagram, which I know is not the focus here.  I just would like to know where the posts ended up??
Thanks for your reply.
HHONOW

Hi livingwaters08, I did not delete any posts by capacitor70 in this topic. If I did I would of mention that in the reply to you. Also please not that if I delete a post I can only delete the content! so the post would still be there just empty. Can you show me an empty post by capacitor70?

Luc

Quote from: hartiberlin on July 05, 2008, 06:22:17 AM
Hi,
I did not delete anything.

Luc did you delete it, as you are the moderator of this thread ?
What was it about ?

No deleting of any posts by capacitor70 have been done by me. I have no idea what it was about since I was out most of yesterday afternoon and evening and did not have access. Maybe capacitor70 removed them himself after posting?

Luc

LUC somebody is confused chris crossing threads [and its not you]
DR STIFFLER I know LUC would love your input please dont be put off by a few that don't understand Chet PS most of us will be trying to grasp this effect and all its potential for quite some time

My set up rev 3..... 

It works as a bench test! draw on inverter is very low!

+ve on the HV fro m the motor is VERY important!