QuoteWe are hear to learn and seek understanding, I think everyones opinion and perspective should be heard, that is a part of the learning process the professionals of science have yet to understand.

allcanadian, I think a different thread should be used to learn what the professionals of science already know.

Please let these guys finish what they started this thread for. It was started as a way to simplify a circuit they have been designing to produce the intense spark needed to create the effect that is needed to use water to run fuel based motors on. They have already created the effect with circuits, now let them finish simplifying it.

This thread was not set up to find out why or how it creates the effect, it was set up to simplify a circuit they have already created that creates a effect they have already created.

I haven't been on here for over two years.  Glad to see it hasn't gotten stagnant.  Anyway...

I have skimmed the topic and came to the last page to discover what I thought was going on... no ignition.  That's perfectly OK.  It still works.

On another line, has anyone thought of using the Krupa design in the plug part?  It's supposed to spread the plasma much better, which may be all you need to gain the pressure output on the piston to make it move with some authority.

A simple suggestion for those trying to get a motor to run. What if you remove the spark plug ground tab and just use the piston as the 'ground tab'. I would think that this would create an increasing electric arc size as the piston goes down from TDC and would help the water 'ignite, burn, turn to steam, whatever'  to push the piston down. Why confine the electrical arc to a small predetermined gap. I know when I arc weld I have to get the arc started by being very close to the item to be welded but once I get an arc started I can draw the arc back a fair amount. Seems the same idea would hold for a piston engine electrical arc. If the piston can withstand a gas explosion then a electrical arc should not effect it. Now you may have to use a slightly longer plug just as long as it does not touch the piston top but I think that this may be very effective in always getting a great electrical arc.

I have to defer to the guys that understand electronics here, but however I look at it, more important than the circuit is working out what is going on here?  If we put in 100w electrical, do we get out something more than 100w chemical/kinetic/potential?  If not, then what is the purpose of the thread?  Making fireworks which are fun but of no real value?  I admit I'm sitting back waiting for the electronics guys to establish how to isolate the HV/HC circuits in order that I get get on with what I can do which is building something that can use this circuit.  I'm not going to be using any 2 or 4 stroke engines either, it will be a static chamber with a couple of one way valves and the recipient will be a tesla turbine.  Maybe that's no good for running a conventional car, but it will increase understanding substantially.

More important than the circuit is understanding what the process is. From there we can go backwards and design a circuit, and forwards and design a recipient of the energy released.  If that's not clear to one and all then we're in a whirlpool.

Shiver

For those who don't know and those who have forgotten....

S1R made a comment on one of Ossies youtube videos about being close but only being at about 10% power. He said it should be such an arc that it knocks the spark plug off the table. I think we need a huge plasma arc to get this to work in a motor and that means more power. How he's doing it with just a 400 watt inverter I haven't a clue but I think that's the key, a HUGE plasma arc.