I think this is my first post here, I could be wrong.

I am sure some of you remember me from Waterfuel1978. Well I was always skeptical of his drawings and lack of evidence. I'm sure some of you remember also that I got banned from his group. Granted I probably went a little overboard but I call a spade a spade. One day he talked down to a newbie and told him that he would never post a picture of his own personal vehicle on there so people could "pick it apart" as he said. That's when I called him a liar and a fraud. Let's look at some facts;
1. Showed up one day and said he had a car (El Camino) running on water.
2. Had some half drawn plans on a yellow piece of paper.
3. When asked, could never explain anything and was always forgetting something. Still the same way.
4. Then he occassionally pops in to find out information that he doesn't have.

I have always said that he has nothing but an idea, that he is making everyone else do the work for him.
Three long years and he finally posts something. Isn't if funny that all of this comes about now? I mean look at what all has happened in the last month or so;

1. A Japanese company posts a video of a car running on nothing but water.
2. It is reported that a company by the name of Ethos is working on a developing Daniel Dingle's <---(spelled different) water car, come to find out that it is bogus. Or we think it is.
3. Now there is a report and interview of Daniel Dingel's <---(spelled right) is going to do it now. He (Dingel) has been forced to show his hand, because of 1 and 2 I think.

I believe he (S1R) was forced to do something or loose his "idea" to some one else too like Mr. Dingel.  Three long years and he posts a picture of a nail wrapped in wire? Man it's so simple, why didn't all of us think of this before. All attempt of humor aside, I have always said that this technology could work but not from what he tells us. I say forget what he does and concentrate on the others here who are actually doing something like Capacitor 70, Xbox hacker, etc.......

Sorry for the rant but I did have to introduce myself to people who don't know me, lol.    Area 51

Hi Everyone,

I am not calling anyone a LIAR, but a few things don't add up.  S1R's write up description and posts on the Yahoo Waterfuel forum said the main coil was uninsulated BARE COPPER WIRE, and two coils using stranded insulated wire. 

I am degreed in Physics, but not an electronics guru by any stretch of the imagination, but even my 6th grade science teacher showed this in his electricity experiment, that electricity follows the path of least resistance.  Whether it is a straight piece of wire or coiled up a billion times, isn't BARE WIRE essentially a DEAD SHORT between windings, and therefore no different than a straight piece of wire (not counting the resistance per foot of copper)?  That was a rhetorical statement... LOL

Then today, S1R posted on the Yahoo Waterfuel forum, "the main coil has black tape on it, as well as "the other black coil."  The original statement, however said the other 2 coils were insulated stranded wire.  Looking at SIR's own picture very closely, shows the black coils are NOT black tape covering BARE WIRES ( I still can't get over the bare wire thing... LOL), but looks like standard factory insulated wire. 

OK, pick a story and go with it, S1R!

Then a nail just thrown in the air space of the coil as opposed to the wire being wound tightly around the nail, also would be a dead short across the bare wire windings as it simply laid on top of the bare wire windings.  Certainly one of those conditions would cause a dead short!

Years ago, I had a bad ignition coil on my car.  The primary showed 1 Ohm resistance which was OK and within the manufacturer's specifications.  The secondary coil however measured only 4K Ohms, but should have been on the order of 10K to 12K ohms, far below manufacturer's specifications.  That meant a some of the secondary windings burned (melted) and created a short between the windings resulting in greatly reduced resistance.

Then we have the best statement of all:  The coils slowed down the electricity enough so that the timing on the Briggs and Straton engine (funny how Briggs and Straton abbreviated is BS) did not have to be changed.

Again, I am not an electronics guru, but doesn't electricity travel at the same speed, regardless as to what it is traveling through?  I do know there are timer/delay circuits one can design and create, but isn't that simply using components that allow for charge/discharge times and other components that vary the time of delivery of the electricity, but doesn't change the actual speed of electricity itself? Sorry, rhetorical again!  LOL

Regardless, these three coils certainly cannot "slow down" the speed of electricity to that extent!

OK, so in summation, we have Bare Copper Wire as a main coil, but then recanted to being covered in black tape, the other black coil also having black tape around it.  But S1R's original description said the 2nd and 3rd coils were insulated stranded wire, but then "the inventor's" own picture clearly showing otherwise (unless he's the best in the world at wrapping black tape around a wire to look exactly like factory made insulation), we have an inverter, but not really, we have 3 coils wound so that they "slow down" electricity enough to the extent where adjusting the timing on a BS engine (I love that) wasn't necessary, etc., etc., etc...

Again, I am not calling anyone a LIAR, but... draw your own conclusions and decide for yourself, but I am literally ROFLMFAO!

Regards,
Geo

Quote from: geovel56 on July 10, 2008, 07:44:57 PM
Hi Everyone,

I am not calling anyone a LIAR, but a few things don't add up.  S1R's write up description and posts on the Yahoo Waterfuel forum said the main coil was uninsulated BARE COPPER WIRE, and two coils using stranded insulated wire. 

I am degreed in Physics, but not an electronics guru by any stretch of the imagination, but even my 6th grade science teacher showed this in his electricity experiment, that electricity follows the path of least resistance.  Whether it is a straight piece of wire or coiled up a billion times, isn't BARE WIRE essentially a DEAD SHORT between windings, and therefore no different than a straight piece of wire (not counting the resistance per foot of copper)?  That was a rhetorical statement... LOL

Then today, S1R posted on the Yahoo Waterfuel forum, "the main coil has black tape on it, as well as "the other black coil."  The original statement, however said the other 2 coils were insulated stranded wire.  Looking at SIR's own picture very closely, shows the black coils are NOT black tape covering BARE WIRES ( I still can't get over the bare wire thing... LOL), but looks like standard factory insulated wire. 

OK, pick a story and go with it, S1R!

Then a nail just thrown in the air space of the coil as opposed to the wire being wound tightly around the nail, also would be a dead short across the bare wire windings as it simply laid on top of the bare wire windings.  Certainly one of those conditions would cause a dead short!

Years ago, I had a bad ignition coil on my car.  The primary showed 1 Ohm resistance which was OK and within the manufacturer's specifications.  The secondary coil however measured only 4K Ohms, but should have been on the order of 10K to 12K ohms, far below manufacturer's specifications.  That meant a some of the secondary windings burned (melted) and created a short between the windings resulting in greatly reduced resistance.

Then we have the best statement of all:  The coils slowed down the electricity enough so that the timing on the Briggs and Straton engine (funny how Briggs and Straton abbreviated is BS) did not have to be changed.

Again, I am not an electronics guru, but doesn't electricity travel at the same speed, regardless as to what it is traveling through?  I do know there are timer/delay circuits one can design and create, but isn't that simply using components that allow for charge/discharge times and other components that vary the time of delivery of the electricity, but doesn't change the actual speed of electricity itself? Sorry, rhetorical again!  LOL

Regardless, these three coils certainly cannot "slow down" the speed of electricity to that extent!

OK, so in summation, we have Bare Copper Wire as a main coil, but then recanted to being covered in black tape, the other black coil also having black tape around it.  But S1R's original description said the 2nd and 3rd coils were insulated stranded wire, but then "the inventor's" own picture clearly showing otherwise (unless he's the best in the world at wrapping black tape around a wire to look exactly like factory made insulation), we have an inverter, but not really, we have 3 coils wound so that they "slow down" electricity enough to the extent where adjusting the timing on a BS engine (I love that) wasn't necessary, etc., etc., etc...

Again, I am not calling anyone a LIAR, but... draw your own conclusions and decide for yourself, but I am literally ROFLMFAO!

Regards,
Geo

I brought those points up last night plus a few more on the yahoo group. Never could really get a straight answer. Plus the multistrand wire adding to the number of turns in the two coils..........

Quote from: geovel56 on July 10, 2008, 07:44:57 PM
Hi Everyone,
(snip)

Then we have the best statement of all:  The coils slowed down the electricity enough so that the timing on the Briggs and Straton engine (funny how Briggs and Straton abbreviated is BS) did not have to be changed.

Again, I am not an electronics guru, but doesn't electricity travel at the same speed, regardless as to what it is traveling through?  I do know there are timer/delay circuits one can design and create, but isn't that simply using components that allow for charge/discharge times and other components that vary the time of delivery of the electricity, but doesn't change the actual speed of electricity itself? Sorry, rhetorical again!  LOL

Regardless, these three coils certainly cannot "slow down" the speed of electricity to that extent!
t... draw your own conclusions and decide for yourself, but I am literally ROFLMFAO!

Regards,
Geo

Hi Geo,

Not defending anyone, but your statements above are incorrect.  Electrons travel slower through iron then through copper.  Slower through copper wire than silver plated.  Etc.

Personally, all here, would have time better spent working on Ossie and Luc's circuit.  It is producing cold electricity IMHO.  Lots of avenues for experimentation with  those who are more astute as to what is happening.  I am in the middle of a critical build, or I too would be hands on.  If any of you build the circuit given by Luc or Ossie, or Hacker and would like some "interesting" areas of experimentation, PM me.  I will not respond unless you have built it and have it working.

Cheers all,

Bruce

Well I think we need to give up on this S1R project and concentrate on the ones out there that are working. I have been doing a lot of reading and there have been so many different updates to designs that it's hard to keep track of them. Keep up the good work guys.

Area 51