Quote from: dopey on July 29, 2008, 08:02:36 PM
Here, it appears that the spark igniting energy may be significantly more...possibly (actually quite probably) more than the total energy available from the resulting "fuel".  Finding the answer to this question, in my opinion, would be the key to deciding whether this is a practical real phenomenon worth developing.  I don't see that answer being pursued very diligently here, that's all I'm saying.

I asked a few questions early on that I considered pertinent, but got dismissed as a 'crapster'.  I thought it relevant to determine what it is we're actually trying to measure, and define a way to do that rather than discussing methods of internal combustion engines.  I don't know electronics well at all, but I would have thought that since the idea appears to be based around HV/LV circuits, then it would be useful to push the boundaries of that a little, and see what 1,000,000volts at 0.00001 amps, or vice versa would look like.  Intuitively I feel there are flaws in the circuit design still (probably due to the added complications that would manifest more readily if trying to push this design to extremes of voltage/amps).  If in the HV circuit it's only volts that matter, then it seems reasonable to me to reduce the amps as much as possible to save energy, and the same when requiring amps.  If 5W is all that's required instead of 200W then the usefulness of this idea can more easily be quantified.  Judging by the sound coming from these explosions it seems that the rate of expansion of the water is great, although the kinetic energy is not yet known.  That to me says ICE is not the ideal way forward (although it may still be applicable).  Trying to contain this explosion in a small area would add a huge amount of knowledge to this project.

It's still more than a month away before I return to my home country and be in a position to experiment, but I follow this thread all day long looking to formulate ideas/hypothesis to explore when I'm in a proper workshop and able to build the idea that is being modelled in my head.  I appreciate the balance of 'basic observer questions from classical training' mixed with the open mindedness to take on a new paradigm.

Regards

Paul

Hello
I would like to make a few comments here. The thread started out with sr9's videos showing a small engine running on water and modified electricity, as the key to create sparks that effects water to produce force enough to make the small engine work. I sent Sr9 an email asking if he may be so kind as to show whats inside the tin can. Sr9 replies with a link that shows whats inside the tin can, which to me looks like coils and a nail. He also films it coming apart. Now my point,  I don't see caps, diodes and stuff in this can. Am I missing something here? What I do see is the use of what some have called 90 degree electricity, which is neither positive nor negative but does harness extreme power. This power is used to force/disrupt the space water is holding at rest forcing it to expand.
Tesla experimented on this energy and it has been reported that it can shake the planet apart very easily from it's power. I think once you find how to produce this energy, then replication will be easy.
I do believe using other methods of electrical power may produce similar results, but I think many here are off on a tangent.

Please excuse my ignorance...it's been over 30 years since my electronics training (haven't used it much since). I'm trying to find a 100 to 200 uf cap in the 200-250v range to use in the spark circuit. Would a motor start capacitor work? I can get one from a surplus dealer. They're pretty big but as long as the ratings match it should work... right?

Thanks,

Dave

Quote from: winner on July 29, 2008, 07:10:04 PM

These are good questions and I agree too they need clear answers. Here is my take, as an interested observer:
From Gotoluc's first post, the "contraption" is intended to produce an "efficient way to change water to a fuel." I'm sure it was also intended to provide a simple device for others to build and see first hand the water plasma spark phenomenon, thus growing public awareness and interest in this potential energy source. A third goal, I think, was to provide a practical starting platform for others to experiment with and explore improvements. Gotoluc, if I am wrong in my understanding, please correct me.
The circuit appears at first to produce an efficient "water to fuel" effect, yes. By "efficient," this is in contrast to the comparatively high current HHO production experiments.
Callanan/Ossie has pointed us to a research paper "Arc-liberated chemical energy exceeds electrical input energy." See >this post<. Do you have any suggestions on how results can be measured? The FE open source movement is the "wild west" of research, so not everyone is going to have exactly the same wagon. ;-) Yes, it would be great to establish a common measurement technique to evaluate effectiveness of circuit changes.
I don't think anyone is making a claim of this sort. But, I would say it DOES produce an extraordinary effect, easily reproduced, and thus is valuable as a teaching tool and a starting place for open source propagation.

Thank you winner for helping. All you have said is excellent. In some cases we are not able to satisfy everyone and that is fine.

@everyone, when individuals are questioning without putting in the effort of a simple replication, we should be cautious. We will not be able to satisfy them since our answers will lead them to more questions.

Luc

Quote from: Ursine on July 29, 2008, 09:57:38 PM
Please excuse my ignorance...it's been over 30 years since my electronics training (haven't used it much since). I'm trying to find a 100 to 200 uf cap in the 200-250v range to use in the spark circuit. Would a motor start capacitor work? I can get one from a surplus dealer. They're pretty big but as long as the ratings match it should work... right?

Thanks,

Dave

Hi Dave, welcome aboard. You would find those caps in a CRT computer monitors. I see them in the garbage everyday now since everyone want LCD monitors. They contain all kinds of good parts! transistors, caps, diodes and a flyback transformer. Computer power supplies also have many good parts. I picked up 4 CRT's form the garbage and now have a large stock of components. Motor capacitors are more for AC. The circuit is using DC, so polarized caps will work better.

@everyone, please recycle parts. The most you need to spend to build this circuit is maybe $15. and that would be for a new coil: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-ACCEL-Super-Stock-Ignition-Coil-40-000-8140C_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em14Q2el1318QQhashZitem190239383626QQitemZ190239383626
but you should be able to get one for less from a junk yard. I have demonstrated in my updated video that you can just plug the bridge in the wall, so you don't need an inverter to see the effect.

Luc