Quote from: Tinker on September 18, 2008, 11:01:39 PM
Hey Dave I haven't tried that one yet.

I have a PVC canister used to house tie wraps thin wall.
30cm tall and 11cm dia and has a neat red screw on lid.

A 20cm od clear plastic tube I could cut down to three tubes for the internal tubes and some other clear abs for mounting.
 
And have a bunch of 1/2in neos of varying dimensions including some 1/2 by 1/4 diametric ring mags.

But this will require some ADULT supervision from you folks but should be doable/easy using Chileans rendering.

Keep me close to Home Depot on the chemicals when you two sort out a starting mixture ie product names, I haven't much messed with chemicals since I took the chunk of white phosprous literaly out of the bottle and droped it on the Science Teachers desk, You can imagine how that turned out

Figure out something Inert I can put in the mix to see if its circulating.

Be Well
Tinker

Hello Tinker, the solution that has more paramagnetic properties is 400 grams per liter of manganese chloride.

Look at the attached image.

Regards.

You might be onto something... I ran a small-scale electrolysis experiment with H2O & NaCl (inside a tic-tac box) which worked normally until I placed the container between 2 powerful 1"x1"x0.5" N50 NdFeB magnets and it DID rip apart the salt because the water started turning green (Clorine gas liberated @ anode) and I had to disconnect the battery (Chlorine gas is not the healthiest substance)

you won't know until you try.

Hi ChileanOne,

This sounds familiar to me, I think I read about using this technique to separate plastics. I am not sure if it is being used right now or not. I guess in your idea you would harness the liquid "flow". I still can't picture how you would keep that "flow" constantly going. I would think the layers would reach their equilibrium points due to density and just stop. Maybe that is why no one really paid attention. We really don't understand it. Unless the magnets are rotated, then the flow could be constantly induced?

@hypersonic,

Yes, the chlorine gas would be a by-product of a electron transfer for electron flow. See, this is what I was thinking of. As simple as it sounds, this may have merit.


                                     2Cl^- ----> Cl_2(g) + 2e^-




Once the chlorine gas is gone I think the system would switch to OH^- ions, then to attacking the water itself. This would mean the liberation of hydrogen as gas too.

                    2NaCl_(aq)  + 2H₂ O --> 2Na⁺OH^-_(aq) + H_2(g) + Cl_2(g)



Maybe this has potential to look into. Powerful Neo-magnets that don't use electrical power may work for this; but the containers and the ions need to be separated so the electron can flow from high to low potential. I don't know it the magnets would be strong enough to encourage the system to run this way. It seems too simple to me.

@Tinker,

Do magnets work through PVC? The magnets would need to be on the outside of the container. That's why I suggested glass as the container substance.

@mdmiller,

I wonder if the magnets just gave the salt the energy to align itself into a crystalline structure. The magnets would encourage the atoms to align themself in the same electrical orientation so it would be easier for the crystal structure to form. Very interesting; but if the ions are in separate containers and connected by a wire, would that induce electron flow. This is what I was thinking.

Thanks for all your ideas everyone. Like I said, I am just throwing this out there because I don't have a way to test this without magnets.

  Finally!!

Something that sounds easy to replicate/experiment with, fairly safe, and doesn't involve aliens or their technology. 


Now, time to research what is going on with the instant crystallization from neo magnets.

Great idea guys, BTW.

Quote from: ResinRat2 on September 19, 2008, 06:42:57 AM
Hi ChileanOne,

This sounds familiar to me, I think I read about using this technique to separate plastics. I am not sure if it is being used right now or not. I guess in your idea you would harness the liquid "flow". I still can't picture how you would keep that "flow" constantly going. I would think the layers would reach their equilibrium points due to density and just stop. Maybe that is why no one really paid attention. We really don't understand it. Unless the magnets are rotated, then the flow could be constantly induced?

Hello ResinRat2. Well, I have been studying the theroy of the idea of generating a "magnetic convection", and guess what, it is possible, and there are a lot of Japanese papers estudying it as a way to increase velocity of mass transfer reactions. As you know, convection is the term that depicts the event when a heterogeneous difference of densities within a fluid (be it gaseous or liquid) generates a movement within the fluid because of the relative difference of the effect of gravity on each portion of fluid because of their densities, and as long as the source of density gradient inducing force remains constant, the movement keeps being observed. It is the same principle that generates the movement within a boiling fluid.

Magnetic convection is observed in paramagnetic salt solutions, and thus, the idea of directing that convection to generate a usefull flow is not that far fetched, but it requires a lot of research to find a proper way.

ALso,  Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS3mT9eCDVw&feature=related

If it canbe done with electromagnetism, can it be done with permanent magnetism? There is the basis for my idea, that now you see, it's not so woo woo.