@I_ron
Regarding your experiment, I think thane has given a very good example with his motor as to why "quality" matters. The property of capacitance is nearly uneffected by a magnetic field so we could say the applied energy relates to electric fields. The stored energy of the capacitance depends on the quality of the applied current, that is a high voltage will store more energy on a static surface area. As well a large surface area will store more energy but will lower the potential unless the applied energy completely charges the capacitance. This is why Tesla always used a large inductance and a small capacitance to increase the stored potential relative to the source.
The patent you are replicating is stated as a "Capacitive winding for electric motors,transformers and electromagnets" so I think the circuit as a whole should reflect the qualities inherent in any capacitance. This would require a high voltage in the working circuit to increase the magnitude of energy stored as capacitance increasing the effect, a large surface area at lower voltages decreasing proportionately to an increasing voltage to maintain the desired potential. A capacitor is defined as two conductors in close proximity normally having equal mass and surface area so the windings should have these properties. This is an LC circuit or rather an LCC circuit so I think the natural resonance must be established first then the source must match this frequency and vary from this natural frequency with any loads applied. What may be most important is what happens when we remove the source as shown below--a capacitive series circuit where energy induced as inter-winding capacitance would seem to have no where to go? until it acts in series with the source.

Quote from: allcanadian on October 30, 2008, 03:52:06 PM
@CrankypantsLOL, I wish you would have warned me not to leave our cozy little forum . I wanted to prove a point I already knew, that is most average people have made up there minds irregardless of the facts presented to them and become down-right hostile to anything that threatens there reality. I was stupid to even think they give a damn, as well I am sorry I posted your info there and realize I should have asked you first. LOL, from my first post there everything just went south but I learned a valuable lesson about human behavior which was why I was there in the first place--testing the waters. Never again----they will understand there stupidity when this technology is on the front page of a newspaper.
On the subject of your motor, I have used a small portion of the output from the HC coil to precharge a high self inductance external coil, this coil is forced to collapse inductively into a low turn primary on the HV coil prior to register with the PM increasing the capacitance.

WHEN I FIRST STARTED THIS PROJECT I JOINED AN "REAL" ENGINEERING FORUM LIKE THAT ONE AND ASKED A "WHAT IF QUESTION" ... "WHAT IF YOU COULD REDUCE OR EVEN ELIMINATE BACK EMF IN A GENERATOR?"

I WAS MET WITH THE SAME RESPONSE, NAME CALLING ETC. UNTIL FINALLY THEY BANNED ME FROM THE FORUM. THAT'S WHEN I LEARNED THAT SCIENCE WASN'T ABOUT LEARNING OR CREATING SOMETHING NEW.

I ALSO HAVE LEARNED THAT:

THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY ISN'T ABOUT HEALTH - BUT SELLING DRUGS AND MAKING MONEY.
THE LEGAL SYSTEM ISN'T ABOUT THE TRUTH - BUT BUYING AND SELLING THE "TRUTH".
THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T ABOUT CARING FOR ITS CITIZENS - BUT POWER AND MONEY.
THE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM ISN'T ABOUT GOD - BUT CONTROL PEOPLE THROUGH FEAR.
THE EDUCATION SYSTEM ISN'T ABOUT TEACHING A LOVE OF LEARNING - BUT CRUSHING INDIVIDUALITY .

SO I CONSIDER MYSELF VERY FORTUNATE TO STILL BE MOVING FORWARD THROUGH ALL THIS MESS WE HAVE CREATED FOR OURSELVES.

CONCERNING YOUR TOPIC - IF YOU WANT US TO UNDERSTAND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW US WITH PICTURES, VIDEO, PHOTOS ETC. I AM "SLOW" AT THE OF THE DAY.

CONCERNING WHAT PEOPLE WILL ACCEPT...

"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.
For those who do not believe , no explanation will suffice."

T

Quote from: allcanadian on October 30, 2008, 05:28:02 PM
@I_ron
Regarding your experiment, I think thane has given a very good example with his motor as to why "quality" matters. The property of capacitance is nearly uneffected by a magnetic field so we could say the applied energy relates to electric fields. The stored energy of the capacitance depends on the quality of the applied current, that is a high voltage will store more energy on a static surface area. As well a large surface area will store more energy but will lower the potential unless the applied energy completely charges the capacitance. This is why Tesla always used a large inductance and a small capacitance to increase the stored potential relative to the source.
The patent you are replicating is stated as a "Capacitive winding for electric motors,transformers and electromagnets" so I think the circuit as a whole should reflect the qualities inherent in any capacitance. This would require a high voltage in the working circuit to increase the magnitude of energy stored as capacitance increasing the effect, a large surface area at lower voltages decreasing proportionately to an increasing voltage to maintain the desired potential. A capacitor is defined as two conductors in close proximity normally having equal mass and surface area so the windings should have these properties. This is an LC circuit or rather an LCC circuit so I think the natural resonance must be established first then the source must match this frequency and vary from this natural frequency with any loads applied. What may be most important is what happens when we remove the source as shown below--a capacitive series circuit where energy induced as inter-winding capacitance would seem to have no where to go? until it acts in series with the source.

SEE THIS IS THE KINDA SHIT I NEED TO HEAR IF I AM GOING TO WIND A PRIMARY THAT HAS A HOPE OF WORKING!  THANKS T

And those who want to believe, want to understand, and an explanation is most welcome 

HEY ALL,

SUGGESTIONS COMMENTS ON HOW TO AVOID BRUSH OFFS?
ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR GOOD PROTOTYPING SHOPS AS PER THEIR SUGGESTIONS?

THANKS
Thane


--- On Fri, 10/31/08, ORNL@ornl.gov> wrote:

From: ORNL Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Subject: RE: Technology Support Request for NASA Demonstration
To: thane heins
Received: Friday, October 31, 2008, 1:06 PM

Mr. Heins:

Thank you for your interest in the PEEMRC.  Our prototyping facilities are limited in terms of motor/generator development and we often use outside shops for much of the fabrication effort.  Because we are required by DOE to charge at full cost recovery rates for work done for others I believe that our services would prove to be prohibitively costly for production of a prototype unit.  Since we would probably have a significant fraction of the work done by local shops it would likely be more cost-effective for you to contract with local motor/generator shops to do your prototype fabrication.

ORNL
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MY RESPONSE

Dear ORNL,

I appreciate your concern although I am sorry I don't understand what "prohibitively costly" means to you? I decided to contact ORLN because of your reputation and "costly" simply infers a good investment to me. I would prefer to leave the cost decision to our Board of Directors since that is their job not mine (or yours in fact).

I am sorry if our satellite lab and teaching facility at Ottawa University gives the impression of a popper status (it's deliberate). I can assure you that we have substantial and adequate financial backing and commitment. Cutting corners at this stage serves none of our interests here. We also wish to make the absolute best presentation to NASA as we possibly can since this technology began at ROMAC's UPS flywheel facility.

Please take a moment to review some of the material concerning our "Regenerative Acceleration Technology"  where we design in and employ the self-capacitance of our generator coils to reduce and or eliminate Lenz's Law in our generator. I would much prefer a rejection of our partnership request on these grounds. Thanks again for your consideration.

Sincerely
Thane

Thane C. Heins
President
Potential +/- Difference Inc.

ORIGINAL LETTER

From: Thane C. Heins 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:39 AM
To: ORNL
Subject: Technology Support Request for NASA Demonstration

Dear Power Electronics and Electrical Power Systems Research Center & ORNL,

My name is Thane Heins and I am the President of Potential Difference Inc., a small R & D firm near Ottawa Canada . I am wondering if we might be able to procure services from ORNL to assist us in prototyping our generator technology to meet a request from NASA as well other companies who want to licence our technology.

Our technology pertains to what we call "Regenerative Acceleration Technology" where we alter the conventional performance of a generator coil and make it do the opposite of what is commonly know. (I have included a brief description below) To date our technology has been shown to increase energy output by 300% while decreasing the input energy required by up to 30%. 

As of now we have two licensing agreements under way (one California Power company and a Canadian wind turbine manufacturer). We have other interest from Brazil , Holland and as I mentioned a demonstration request from NASA. Most of the current interest is from wind generator manufacturers, electric automobiles and stand alone diesel generators. We would also require a prototype to be developed and eventually delivered to NASA, (see NASA REQUEST below) and possibly to Neil Young's LincVolt XPrize team as well.  We have lots of interest but no engineering facility to meet demand yet.

Here is our You Tube Channel with all our videos.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins 
Focus attention on "REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION VIDEOS"

Our research is presently being carried out at the University of Ottawa where Dr. Riadh Habash  is our University liason.

Thank you for your consideration. 
Thane

Thane C. Heins
President
Potential +/- Difference Inc.
169 Spring St.
Almonte ON
K0A 1A0

Perepiteia Generator Operation Explanation â€" Draft 1 â€" June 20th, 2008
High Voltage Coil Effects

Thane C. Heins

Introduction

The Perepiteia Generator employs high voltage coils to counteract the effects associated with Lenz’s Law and the Law of Conservation of Energy. Whereas a conventional generator high current coil design causes the prime mover to decelerate under load â€" the Perepiteia high voltage coil design causes the prime mover to accelerate. If high current and high voltage coils are employed simultaneously, the acceleration provided by the high voltage coils can completely eliminate Lenz’s Law (deceleration) effects and even provide additional acceleration despite high current coil loading.

This paper is intended to explain (only) one aspect of how this acceleration may be occurring with respect to how high voltage wire eddy currents affect the coils ability to produce an induced magnetic field as dictated by Lenz’s Law. There of course are other possible reasons for the observed acceleration (including core loss reduction) which will be dealt with in greater detail at another time.

Basic Observations, Critical Minimum Rotor Speed/Frequency

Conventional generators employ low gauge â€" high current (HC) wire to reduce losses associated with resistance and eddy currents.  Figure 1 shows how current is distributed through a typical HC coil. The current flows evenly throughout the entire conductor and the induced magnetic field emanates out in a radially symmetrical pattern.

The high voltage coil (HV) in Figure 2 on the other hand shows what happens in the HV coil as the rotor speed exceeds the critical minimum velocity.

Rotor Speed Critical Minimum Velocity

Above a certain rotor speed or frequency the HV coils cause system acceleration in violation of Lenz’s Law.

Below this rotor RPM or frequency the HV coils act in accordance with Lenz’s Law and cause the system to decelerate under load.

The question is why?
What occurs as frequency rises to change the coils’ performance?

HOW GENERATOR HIGH VOLTAGE COILS CAUSE ACCELERATION

At the critical threshold speed or frequency (dictated by the coils inductance) the HIGH VOLTAGE COIL ceases to act as an INDUCTOR (storing energy in the electromagnetic field and producing a Lenz's Law repelling action to the approaching magnetic field) and begins to act as a CAPACITOR (storing energy in the electrostatic field between the wires).

This is clearly shown in the video FREQUENCY VARIATIONS & MULTI LAYER HV COIL ACCELERATION: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YReGJEMmkJA

When a North Pole magnet approaches a HIGH VOLTAGE COIL above the critical threshold speed/frequency a North Pole repelling magnetic field as per Lenz's Law is not produced because the coil's impedance has impeded the current flow within the coil sufficiently. Voltage is built up in the coil and stored in the electrostatic field between the wires like a capacitor.

When the North Pole magnet is TDC - Top Dead Centre - neither approaching nor receding away from the coil - the coil's stored voltage, which is now at a maximum, is released through the coil's DC resistance and a magnetic field is produced according to Lenz's Law  (at this split second at TDC the AC sine wave is changing direction and as far as the coil is concerned frequency is briefly 'zero' and coil impedance is zero so current is allowed to flow - thus producing a delayed North Pole magnetic field which now pushes away on the receding magnet and simultaneously attracts the approaching opposite South pole on the rotor

NASA REQUEST

Subject: re: previous phonecall
From:  @cne-mail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Date:    Tue, February 12, 2008 8:48 am
To:      @site.uottawa.ca
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Riadh,
I had contacted you this previous Saturday about trying to procure an
abstract on the work you are doing with Thane Heins. The magnetics lab here at Goddard expressed some interest in having you come down to do a colloquium, but would like to get an abstract on the work done so far before moving ahead. Let me know when you could provide this, so we can look at posibilities moving forward.

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NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center
Bldg 18 Room 200 Mailstop 730.0
Greenbelt , MD 20771