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Overunity Machines Forum



Thane Heins Perepiteia.

Started by RunningBare, February 04, 2008, 09:02:26 AM

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Charlie_V

QuoteWHY WORRY ABOUT OVER-UNITY ANYWAY? CHECK THE INTERNET, EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG HAS AN OVERUNITY DEVICE - MY COUSIN IN POLAND HAS TWO IN HIS GARAGE.

Haha true but none of them work actually work. So far all the ones I've built haven't worked - and of course I'm still trying  :D

I have another question.  How fast does the motor spin when you take away all the coils so that it can spin freely without interacting with the iron cores?  If the motor spins at 2500rpms without the iron being present, then you place iron (from the cores of the coils) near the magnet wheel and it slows down to 900rpms, the drag is considerable.  So if you start to energize the coils, the flux in them can saturate the iron and basically reduce the mechanical load the motor sees - causing it to spin faster like it would without the iron and coils being present. 

However, if the motor is regulated to only spin at 900 rpms, despite the iron being there or not, then that is more impressive.  Its the difference in showing that the setup is adding energy from apparently no where, or designing a system that has extremely low efficiency starting out, and the efficiency improves somewhat when electrically loaded.  Both are cool but the first has a greater initial impact while the later needs more work.  The latter system could be made to act like the first if the forces involved can be balanced so the initial drag is almost zero.  Then it would be just as easy rotation at the start as at the end.

efoda

Quote from: CRANKYpants on November 20, 2008, 06:41:28 AMAS I HAVE DEMONSTRATED THE HC COIL LOADED SPEED OF THE SYSTEM IS LESS THAN 900 RPM - PRODUCING 0.25 W.

THE SAME HC COIL LOADED SPEED OF THE SYSTEM IS MORE THAN 3000 RPM - PRODUCING OVER 8 W.

THE ACCELERATION IS CAUSED BY THE SELF EXCITED HIGH VOLTAGE MOTOR COIL WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY EXTERNAL INPUT POWER.- YOU CAN SAY WHAYEVER YOU WISH AS WILL I.

Ok, the acceleration does not require any input power... excellent. But, what is the input power to begin with then?

CRANKYpants

QuoteSo if you start to energize the coils, the flux in them can saturate the iron and basically reduce the mechanical load the motor sees - causing it to spin faster like it would without the iron and coils being present. 
WE CAN GET ACCELERATION FROM A COIL AT 200 RPM - PRODUCING LESS THAN 25 VOLTS USING LAMINATED CORES - SATURATION IS A NON ISSUE HERE BECAUSE THE VOLTAGE ACROSS THE LOAD (AND HV COIL VOLTAGE) CONTINUE TO INCREASE - THEY WOULD NOT INCREASE BEYOND SATURATION - IF THEY WERE SATURATING WHICH THEY ARE NOT.

QuoteHowever, if the motor is regulated to only spin at 900 rpms, despite the iron being there or not, then that is more impressive

WE GET SIMILAR RESULTS WITH A DC MOTOR.

THE AC INDUCTION MOTOR IN THE VIDEO IS A 1/3 HP RATED AT 3500 RPM.
THE VOLTAGE IN THE LAST VIDEO WAS SET AT 82 VOLTS.

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CRANKYpants

Quote from: broli on November 20, 2008, 07:12:52 AM
Damn I thought the motor was going to explode if it kept going higher. Very fascinating to see indeed. What's planned next?

SAME DEMO FRIDAY FOR:Colorado Energy Research Institute:http://www.ceri-mines.org/

SAME DEMO & TECHNICAL EVALUATION (IN THE NEW YEAR) FROM: The United States Department of Energy ay Oak Ridge National Laboratory http://peemrc.ornl.gov/  The Oak Ridge National Laboratory's (ORNL) Power Electronics and Electric Machinery Research Center (PEEMRC) is the U.S. Department of Energy's premiere broad-based research center for power electronic and electric machinery development

SOME NEW "TEST" COILS FROM A LOCAL TRANSFORMER MANUFACURER TO BE MADE INTO A FULL SIZE GENERATOR.

WORKING TOWARDS COMPLETING THE PROTOTYPE REQUESTS FROM OUR LICENCING PARTNERS.

CHEERS
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CRANKYpants

Quote from: efoda on November 20, 2008, 12:17:01 PM
Ok, the acceleration does not require any input power... excellent. But, what is the input power to begin with then?

THE ACCELERATION DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT POWER - IN FACT IT REQUIRES LESS..

1/4 HP DC MOTOR = 10 - 15 WATTS
1/3 HP INDUCTION MOTOR = 200 - 400 WATTS
5 HP GAS LAWNMOWER ENGINE = 3730 WATTS
90 HP DIESEL ENGINE = 20,000 WATTS

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