I just wanted to mention:
I made 2 identical caps at the time but I don't have either one anymore.
I was so angry when the diodes blew the second time that I mutilated the one cap.
And the second one I threw into a box of junk where it got crushed by some heavy stuff piled on it.
When I tested it, it was shorted out.
I haven't got round to making any new ones yet but it shouldn't be difficult to do.

i believe that the voltage squares with half the distance. i once did the same experiment and it left me rather surprized also the discharge becomes more tenatious for itself rather than outside ground i layed my plates on the carpet on the concrete floor and they were well attracted to the ground until discharged so i do know what you mean about the force of attraction.just some information.

Quote from: sparks on December 03, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
        This is true but what it does is focus the energy or store the energy in a smaller field.  Take the simple ignition coil.  We invest 12volts at 1amp for 1 second say and flip over a bunch of magnetic dipole moments in the steel.  Then just as the core reaches saturation or a little afterwards with a reduction in current to holding levels we open the circuit very quickly.  Now our 12volts is with use of a secondary that responds only to the collapse goes to 20,000volts.  Now let us store 20,000 volts in a capacitor hook it up to the primary of another ignition coil setup and do it again.  Now the secondary gives a nice expotential rise but now we need a capacitor to hold on to a million volts. What kinda mass isn't going to give up potential energy sitting in between two plates with a million volts distributed across them?  What was done is that we gained power by doing work.  There is no conservation of work but there is focusing of power or force.

But, how can this give FE?
Also, focusing power isn't the same as gaining power. I guess focusing of energy is the correct term, since power implies j/s, and the discharge is less than a ms.

Quote from: AbbaRue on December 04, 2008, 01:09:09 AM
I've read a lot of threads on this forum and I have never seen any subject attacked with this much energy.
Maybe this is a good sign, maybe we are on the verge of something really big here,
and someone is trying to prevent it from being discovered. 

Or maybe it is something everyone understands.

Everyone thought they understood magnetism too at one time.
But now look at how many new concepts are being discovered.
How many claims to OU devices. 

A transformer uses electricity to create a magnetic field in a coil,
and then that field is collapsed and captured by a different coil.
This effect transforms electricity from one voltage to another. 
And from one amperage level to another. Eg. an arc welder.

Now I ask how could this same concept be used in a capacitor?
Could we use capacitance to transform one voltage to another? 
We already know it can transform one current level to another?

If discharging one capacitor into another produces more voltage across the 2 caps.
Then what about discharging one cap into many caps.
Can we use this to step voltage up to different levels.?
Well I guess that has already been done in voltage multipliers (eg. voltage doublers, triplers, quadruplers, etc.)
But is there a better way of doing this, perhaps using multi-plated capacitors.

I believe this thread has opened the path to a whole new science of electricity. 
And I hope the mockers will begin to see the potential for discovery here,
and start contributing some new ideas instead of mocking.
The study of capacitance is still  very Young.

I remember reading something about someone using a 4 plate capacitor that produced some interesting effects.
The 2 outside plates were connected to one circuit and the 2 inside plates were connected to another circuit.
I believe this worked similar to a transformer for converting electricity in some way.
It formed some type of energy compressor.
Considering the 2 outside plates are farther apart then the 2 inside plates.
So the capacitance of the 2 inside plates is much higher then that of the 2 outside plates.
I don't remember were I read it, but I think they stated that the input and output became isolated from each other.
And this somehow produced free energy.  The outside plates were charged with say 100uF
but the inside plates contained many times the amount of uF's.
Maybe someone is familiar with the device, it may have been in Harold Aspden's documents.

It would be interesting to make a 4 plate capacitor from aluminum foil and poly. plastic and see what effects we get. 
And this is one device that anyone on this forum can build for less then $10.
Just keep track of which plates are which, you want the 2 inside plates connected to one circuit
and the 2 outside plates connected to another circuit.
Kind of like a bifilar coil only it's a capacitor. But at the same time winding foil in a coil like this also acts as an inductor.
So this will act like a type of transformer as well.  Similar to a flat Tesla transformer.
I hope the mockers can see the potential here and start contributing!!  At least give it a little thought.