Alan B. brought this thread to my attention via a phone call regarding the above 'youtube' link. I told him that it looked like 'Ron P's earlier version which has been considerably updated. 

I have not by any means read all that has been posted here, so bear with me as what I am about to say may have already been said.

There seems to be a lot of debate regarding the claimed 12:1 output of this machine and how to prove or disprove said claim. So I have a suggestion that may or may not have already been tried.

Attach a secondary pivoting lever with adjustable fulcrum to the output side of the machine. Place the fulcrum of this secondary lever at various distance from the pivot point. If a 1:12 ratio can be achieved then the output of the secondary lever should offer 12 times the distance of the working stroke. Sufficient travel to do something with. Test weights could be added at designated points on said lever.

Or with the amplified stroke one may attempt adding a connecting rod to achieve a rotating flywheel.
Picture an early 'walking beam steam engine' for an example.  The connecting rod would have to be slotted with compression springs to allow for the random effect created by the machines output, once turning, the flywheel should dampen the effect and in turn feed back a small portion of this dampening to help resonate the machine.

For those who have actually built or have experience with such a machine, I look forward to  your input on my suggestion.

Ralph   

Just found on a forum also considering Veljko Milkovic's oscillator
Source:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2374&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30


While doing some mail box cleaning this post popped up, it was written by a contact of mine who is known as "the builder" on the Milkovic forum. It does not necessarily reflect my personal views on the subject.

Quote:
Ralph, you were doing pretty good!

But in all these types of discussions it is much like trying to explain color to a blind man.
Then of course my favorite,,," you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think"

You are at a one down disadvantage in that you don't have hands on experience with this. Even I will admit to you that after two years
I don't have the answer. But I will keep on until I do.

So what are most people missing?

The pendulum is an old device, as close to a pm machine as we can get. It has always been build with a rigid structure, to prevent any motion
at the pivot point. It was Veljko that saw that if you could loosen off the pivot point, it will flop up and down and in looking at this movement, understand the theory of the energy released at this point.

As the pendulum falls through the 6:00 position the pivot has to restrain the fall. The whole gravity addition must be contained and diverted
into uphill swing, right? Then at the end of this swing the pendulum bob actually starts to lose weight. Just do the math or experiment...
at about a 120° swing the bob will weigh half it's weight... and at the bottom of the swing it will weigh half as much again.

This is the "force" then, that is on the axle/pivot point. No one before Veljko had ever tried to harvest this "potential energy" in this manner.

If, as Veljiko has done, we fasten the pivot point to a secondary arm and allow this arm to translate this previously hidden energy then the
possibility to extract and utilize this "force" is a possibility. In a grandfather clock the pendulum motion is a very modest 6 to 10° say, but to
generate the most "force" we try for from 120° to 180° of swing. The force is multiplied correspondingly but the DRIVING force is also
increased. Then too as I pointed out in the "botafumeiro" example the motion of the combined pendulum and secondary arm is counter-
productive, in that we are actually dropping the pendulum when to sustain the pendulums motion we should be raising it.

So if we have a 20 Kg pendulum swinging say 120° we have a force of 20Kg's at the pivot point that is relatively cost free, over a short distance.

This is a machine that becomes more practical as the size is scaled up. It might never be proven at small scale.

It will never be proven with bike parts, the lost motion of the ratchet clutch defeats it. One must use a zero backlash indexing clutch.

The motion of the secondary arm is slow and limited, electrical generation is nonexistent at this speed, yet to speed the "force" up 100
times diminishes the torque by 100 times....the end result, friction wins.

But coupled with an invention as postulated by Felix Wüth, such as the "Living Energy" machine....?

Another possibility is the Wilt device...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMb-mab7ad4

I hope I have shed a small ray of light?

Be of good cheer,

(Author name deleted)

PS: you have my permission to post parts, or all of this...

Merg,

Yup! one of my posts on Besslerwheel.com, and the whole thing should be in a quote box. But tha'ts OK as the point is made.

A number of people have and are involved with this Milkovic contraption and as stated elswhere none have been able to make a self-sustainer out of the alleged 12 X power gain?

From what I understand using a stationary suspended pendulum the best one can expect is 3 X the static weight,  but here again the amount of dynamic input is not measured. I would think that the moving pivot would dampen this making it less not more.

My above post regarding the secondary lever was simply throwing a concept out to see what kind of response and discussion it would bring.  No much response was there! 

Ralph   

I think this recommendation for all those who are making the replicas haven't been posted earlier:

"Preposition for decreasing of the friction:
Two-stage mechanical oscillator or some other gadget lay in direction east-west in order to decrease axial friction on bearings caused by Coriolis force."

I was wondering why this was so simple, but in the same time hard to work with it - interesting thought...
"To someone it is a problem if the idea was simple, but coming to the simple solution is the hardest and there are the most reasons for that."

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