@ t3t4

I would think that when working with the vertical voltage gradient above the ground, that a certain height will only give a certain voltage. Thus increasing area will not increase voltage. BUT, I also think that increasing area should increase the current. Thus more area will not charge capacitors to a higher voltage, but should reach that voltage quicker.

The loop antenna design works off the changing magnetic field rather than the voltage gradient. It is like a wire next to a moving magnet.

So I think there are two ways of getting energy. One uses the electric field and one uses the magnetic field.

But, I have not built anything. So these are just wild speculations.

Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 28, 2009, 09:47:38 AM
Would building or laying a copper wire/rod/pipe grid across a roof help in generating more power?  It would have considerable area covering the whole roof.

--Lee

Hi Lee,
I think that is one of the reasons for the loop arrangement.
The area within the wire is one major part of the volts produced when a mag field goes through it. You get many sq ft of area inside a closed loop of many turns.
W Lewin (sorry) says to help picture this, imagine sticking a loop of wire into soap and the spiral surface that runs between all the loops is the total area. This is why more turns gives you more volts, because more turns increases the area of the surface that the mag field goes through.


I once saw an article which I cannot find today which describes making many loops out of one telephone wire by connecting the wires by color so they connect in a spiral inside the cable.

Does this sound easier? It sounds like less space or less obvious to me.

jeanna

QuoteSo I think there are two ways of getting energy. One uses the electric field and one uses the magnetic field.

But, I have not built anything. So these are just wild speculations.

Well current always puts out a magnetic field in a wire. The two cant be separated. Using a magnetic field to produce current takes you back to the electric field.  Thats why you can magnetize metal with dc current.
Im wondering if anyone has tried to magnetize a nail with an earth battery. Im going to have to try that out.   

@ Xee2,

QuoteI would think that when working with the vertical voltage gradient above the ground, that a certain height will only give a certain voltage.

That is exactly true! But I didn't know then what I know now, so I had to  learn the hard way. Voltage in this case is all in relation to altitude.

QuoteSo I think there are two ways of getting energy. One uses the electric field and one uses the magnetic field.

A-men, your dead on!

QuoteBut, I have not built anything. So these are just wild speculations.

Well, for just guessing, your doing a hell of a job. All I have have given are wild speculations thus far. Remember back when I said I was trying to optimize my component set? You guys gave me a couple suggestions to improve the circuit with different parts, but I said I was thinking in a different direction. The point is to get the most natural component set, not necessarily the most efficient.

I'm hoping some of you can prove this for yourselves, otherwise, my explanation would make me sound like a total wacko rather then just half wacked!

t3t4

jeanna said:

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I once saw an article which I cannot find today which describes making many loops out of one telephone wire by connecting the wires by color so they connect in a spiral inside the cable.

I also remember reading an old source that maintained connecting the twisted pairs in a multiconductor cable would then create one long wire in effect.  If it was in a circle, the effect was described as being 'like having free energy', or, it may have acted like a capacitor when power was applied to it.
Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity was said to be responsible.

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Does this sound easier? It sounds like less space or less obvious to me.

The description above did help, yes.  I'm acquiring more Radio Shack parts for a larger project that may be coming in the future.

--Lee