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12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

Started by hartiberlin, November 30, 2006, 06:11:41 PM

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tagor

Quote from: Charlie_V on October 15, 2009, 08:05:50 AM
30 years after whose claim?

http://www.free-energy.ws/veljko-milkovic.html

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But Veljko Milkovic is also a researcher, an inventor, and a writer. His scientific work has always focussed on creating a better future. To date, he has worked on over 100 different inventions, and has received 23 Serbian Patents. Veljko has also received many domestic and international awards for his work over the the last 30 years.

Nabo00o

One problem of closing the loop electrically is that even though motors can be efficient, generators at large are very inefficient. But the ratched idea is sound, and whether it is used to do electrical work or mechanical work, its efficiency is somewhere close to 98%, it can of course be both better and worse depending on its use. 

Also, it might be easier to make it self-sustained by using a spring instead of a pendulum.
It only goes up and down, and it should work just the same.


But maybe tagor has a point. Even though it is a very good demonstration device, and that it can also do some useful work, there might be other design which we should focus on.


Still the research should be in many places, because I believe this concept of parametric resonance has a very wide use. And who knows, maybe it is one of the "laws" which controls our universe.
After all, and as I have said for a long time, thermodynamic conservation and entropy laws are not very accurate in predicting the way our universe turned out. There seems to be more existing then just the reactions that leads to entropy.....

JUlian
Static energy...
Dynamic energy...
Two forms of the same.

spoondini

If COP is 12, you can be pretty damned inefficient at converting to electricity to close the loop.  To be specific, you can waste up to 91.7% during conversion and still provide enough energy to continuously run the pendulum.

From what I've seen these are really neat!  However I do not believe these are COP 12.  I actually don't believe they are even COP 1, but it's just my oppinion.  I really hope someone proves me wrong, and if they do I'll proudly eat crow.

Mayo

Quote from: spoondini on October 15, 2009, 02:25:00 PM
If COP is 12, you can be pretty damned inefficient at converting to electricity to close the loop.  To be specific, you can waste up to 91.7% during conversion and still provide enough energy to continuously run the pendulum.

This claim about 12 times more energy is not scientifically confirmed yet. Milkovic got that result by measuring friction in a tube, actually it was a medical syringe made of plastic. It would start moving down after some pressure applied. After its initial movement it is very questionable how it would continue to move down. Milkovic used that method because no one was able to tell him how to do measuring.
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Measurement1.JPG

So, in reality results could be 2 times instead of 12 times. That still would be good concerning over unity claim, but not so good in using electric generator with low ratio.

Jovan