the "invisible brake" will be interpreted completely into the stator and is irrelevant to the mechanism

the only reason there has not been a single (documented) PMM is because of lenz law, otherwise almost every single generator would be one

there are two components to every magnet, mass and strength

how do we make mass irrelevant? we already know this, just make it a balanced system, and spin it.

the strength is important because the stronger it is, the more energy it generates, and the more counter torque is directed to oppose this spin, and the more energy is required to keep it going. this has never been solved, but i did it

normally the stator is fixed, directing all the force into the magnet. and if the magnet is fixed, it cant be spun, so how do we make the magnet spin, without spinning the magnet?

we spin the plane it rests on

we fix the magnet, spin the plane, and allow the stator to move with the magnet, but be fixed at the same time relative to angular movement in comparison to the magnet


essentially i am spinning a fixed magnet, in front of the rotating axle of a non-rotating stator.

while all of this occurs, the entire system stays balanced

by making this force interpreted by gravity, we do not have to account for it, meaning we are harnessing almost all of the energy for almost nothing

almost all the forces cancel each other out, except for the friction of all axles, and the mass of the entire balanced system, and were left with almost all gain

Quote from: gravityblock on November 17, 2009, 11:29:18 PM
In the original setup, there was relative motion between the disc and magnet, but no relative motion between the disc and the magnetic field, thus the disc won't cut the field. 

that is the reason why HPG might not be the way to go, if we just use multiple magnets, the different poles can do it for us, i would imagine the working model having a combination of 5+ magnets per disc

here is a super quick drawing of how we can easily do this, it reminds me of the set up most home built wind generators have

apologies for its lack of proper scale and placement, would this idea suffice instead of an HPG type

@lumen:

If the external circuit rotated with the disc, then the external circuit would have an electric field (electro-motive force) that is the same polarity or pointing in the same direction as the disc.  Current can not flow in that setup.  The external circuit is just part of the disc in this case.

Relative motion between the disc and external circuit creates an EMF in the disc and an opposite EMF in the external circuit for current to flow.

If you have a disc with an EMF pointing from the axis to the rim, then have another disc with an EMF pointing from the rim to the axis, then you can connect a wire to the axis of both discs to create a return path for current to flow between the discs, even if the wire rotated with the discs.  A slip ring on the axis of both discs will allow us to bring the current off the discs to run our load.

If you have a single magnet, with a disc on each side of the magnet....then both discs will have an EMF pointing in the same direction.  Current can't flow in this setup without an external circuit that has relative motion to the disc.

@Mr_bojangles:

The last drawing I posted will have the counter torque on the disc because I reversed the roles of the disc and magnets so the discs will cut through the magnetic field.

If the magnetic field rotated with the magnet, then we wouldn't have this problem with the HPG.

GB

Quote from: gravityblock on November 18, 2009, 01:12:56 AM
If the magnetic field rotated with the magnet, then we wouldn't have this problem with the HPG.

what if we just use three horse-shoe magnets, arranged pointing outward from the center, alternating in poles

or two bar magnets, anything with both poles exposed in the manner we want it to

why not even change the disk to be perpendicular to the axle, it shouldn't make a huge difference

i actually have a couple magnets that are disc shaped with the north and south are on the ends as if you had folded it in half, as opposed to the ones that will not work. i thought it was very peculiar and i actually didn't think about them until now