Quote from: MileHigh on December 03, 2009, 01:05:12 AM
Bill:

I am not going to rebut your three technical points and just say that there is noting special or remarkable going on in what you are observing.  I know that you have heard that response before from others including Poynt but this is not the place to go into those details.

So please don't be offended but you haven't convinced me at all with your examples and I have to point out that you did not actually describe any differences between run-of-the-mill capacitors and supercapacitors.

Your comments on the desire to learn are welcomed.  Perhaps one day you and your JT group will get to the point where you see the real deal with respect to your three examples and you might share my viewpoint.  Time will tell.

A little thought experiment for you:  You are in a park and are sitting next to a merry-go-round.  It is an ideal merry-go-round on frictionless bearings and there is no air friction.  You have a small ball-peen hammer in your hand and you hit a rail on the merry-go-round and it starts to turn.  Every second you hit the merry-go-round with your ball-peen hammer and it slowly starts to speed up.  Just like there are frictionless bearings and no air friction, you have a near "magic arm" and can still hit the merry go round with your hammer so that keeps on speeding up faster and faster.  Eventually you decide that the merry-go-round is spinning fast enough and you stop hitting it with your ball-peen hammer.  The merry-go-round then just spins "forever" since there is no bearing or air friction.

That is what is going on with your first example, the earth battery charging the supercap.  That is what the electric circuit is doing.  Perhaps it sounds crazy and incomprehensible to you, but if you keep on learning perhaps one day it will make sense to you.

Anybody that says that this was a junk posting can kiss my ass.

MileHigh

. Your Words don't prove anything . If you want to prove something you have to Build an example .

Mh can you make even 10 amps  1. 5 volts from a 1.4 volt battery for slow release  ? ?  Show that little example in a model . If you can do that then you prove your point  .


However . I am Storing 2.6 volts at 1000's of amps from a 1.4 volt battery only requiring a few millivolts for LONG RELEASE . Remind you again the battery is rated @ 2500MAH .. SHOW US  ? You can't and why you can't see a very high cop from that simple little experiment i did alone is sad . sure you can charge up an electrolytic cap up to several hundred volts at many joules and blow the tip off your screwdriver but you cannot use that energy for more than a few seconds . If you could everyone would have a self runner . this is not  Ou and therefor < 1 Only when you can have a secondary higher than your primary current and volts is this  Ou explained in WIKI ! that what we have here . and it work on Bcap to bcap so without a doubt you cant explain experiment facts with calculations and conjectures . Thats what us experimenters do all the time . No one lit 400 leds up before us with an earth battery as the source . either  Fl tubes . I know its "NOTHING Special "  ha yea right .
and poynt said that  the Jt has been around for over 20 years ,This is Just another person claiming to know it all ,Also not true . It was Named Joule Thief By big Clives and the circuit was introduced in 1999  . only 10 years  at best and its in its infancy still and being constantly perfected and altered  to do incredible things . enuff said about the simple vampire circuit.and Ultracaps are liquid Electrolyte  unlike super cap which contain a solid electrolyte





   Also Show Us A capacitor  @ 1volts and Charge another one up to 2 volts  ?  Go ahead .  Show us that you Already have a self runner and a cop >1 and this is "NORMAL "
  .. cause  owners of an ultra cap already did show all this . Explain By showing real models not words . 

And i Love This One Liner from a another TRUE EXPERIMENTER Dr. Stiffler  "to play in the sand box you need your own shovel. "



Albert

that is a great line... lmao 

i have not followed his work ...  cuz i know where MINE  goes lol

hehehe

but how true is that ..... 

lol

btw ... i have showen miles more then your remaining time on earth alows for ... if ya hear that!

perhaps if there is a dream intertupter in the house ...   what does it mean when you float off in the sky looking at the world beneth you waveing good bye ? ...... the world was still here ...  i was told ... there only so many seats ... 

ali's words ...  daddy there only so many seats .....   ali blyss

thank you 

william

@Paul, I really appreciate your thoroughness on taking these measurements 

@gadget, The ultimate test will be an open source self-runner 

@M H, Looks like someone's got sand in thear face 

cat

This will be fun testing the UC. If it's not excess energy, then it's still not a reflection on gadgetmall's claim since he's using his JT circuit with the UC.

... More data logger fine tuning. It's now hopped up, over ten times faster at ~ 8300 logs / second. That's cooking for this simple ADC chip. Opps, I shouldn't say that work cooking around chips. It's zooming, ... how's that. The software will never be the limitation now. There's a parallel port limitation, which depends on your computers pp hardware. ECP (enhanced capabilities port) mode is ~ four times the rate of unidirectional mode. You could get about 1MB/s, and faster with some pp hardware.

The next level up would be USB or a MCU. The MCU would cache the data, and periodically upload it to the PC unless your MCU has lots of memory. I don't have the luxury of buying anything right now unless it's absolutely necessary. The UC tests don't need high speed, and actually even 1 data log / sec. is fine. 8300 is a bonus!

Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 03, 2009, 09:00:40 AM
2. Dielectric absorption. Also know as dielectric hysteresis, or dielectric relaxation, and sometimes as dielectric soakage.

Add: The idea is that the UC current / usage increases the dielectric absorption.


Paul

Quote from: powercat on December 03, 2009, 12:03:22 PM
@gadget, The ultimate test will be an open source self-runner 

I 2nd that! I hope gadgetmall does not take any chances with a self-runner. Personally I'd hit the road and make sure such technology made it into public hands. Too many insane people in the world who would bump such a person off for far less. I don't assume for one second they can't find your location even if you post anonymously. With some time & $ I could get the location of anyone at this forum.

Don't take the chance.

Paul