Quote from: Low-Q on March 13, 2010, 08:04:31 AM

Hydrogen is the matter which have the highest energy versus mass in the universe, but without salt or baking soda, pulling destilled water apart to HHO takes about 1/100 of the energy released when HHO fuse together into water.

Was that last bit proven? I cannot see how a garage tinkerer would NOT have a self running car on water then. Or even, when not looping aything, just having a small battery to break up a tank full of water to provide HHO for the powerful engine.

Low-Q, you just have broken the old 42.8Khz myth. Yes, the frequency has to match the resonant circuit, but, I'm not so sure about the high Q. Although, resonance is not the trick to making copious amounts of gasses out of water. There is a bit more to it. There are two resonances Stan talked about and used the term loosely. There is a resonance in the cell called "Resonant Action" that is occurring between the plates which can be achieved without the LCR circuitry or "Resonant Charging Chokes".

Quote from: Low-Q on March 13, 2010, 08:04:31 AM

Oxygen will be released on the positive connector and hydrogen at the negative -

Its a strange technology which owes much to the idea of an opera singer
breaking a champagne glass by singing the note that the glass resonates
at.

It would seem that it is the voltage, rather than the current which fractures
the water molecule, and that is why the bubbles come off, not at the
plates but throughout the bulk of the liquid between them. It is not an
electolysis process at all.

At the UK Free Energy Conference in 2007 and 2008, we were shown an
implementation of the Stan Meyer technology; the Dave Lawton system.
When the power was switched on, there was a brief interval of about
half a second, and then the entire apparatus went milky white with
bubbles.

Quote from: HeairBear on March 13, 2010, 09:05:31 AM
Low-Q, you just have A the old 42.8Khz myth. Yes, the frequency has to match the resonant circuit, but, I'm not so sure about the high Q. Although, resonance is not the trick to making copious amounts of gasses out of water. There is a bit more to it. There are two resonances Stan talked about and used the term loosely. There is a resonance in the cell called "Resonant Action" that is occurring between the plates which can be achieved without the LCR circuitry or "Resonant Charging Chokes".

I am not 100% sure about the high Q, but high Q is essential to reach maximum amplitude with a very narrow frequency band. So voltage amplitude rises as the frequency band decrease (or Q increases). As it is the voltage that breaks up the water, high Q should be preferred to maximize the efficiency and highest possible voltage.

Further, you mention a second resonance system. Is that the mechanicanical resonance that is occouring between the mass in the tubes and the compliance in the fluid and bubbles between them?


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Quote from: Cloxxki on March 13, 2010, 08:49:14 AM
Was that last bit proven? I cannot see how a garage tinkerer would NOT have a self running car on water then. Or even, when not looping aything, just having a small battery to break up a tank full of water to provide HHO for the powerful engine.

First of all I do think that a "correct" HHO production isn't well known to hobbyists. Many still play with baking soda and 12V car battery at 30 amps. Second, I do not think the idea of recycling water steam into liquid water again is wery well established - or thinked of much.
Third, I do think that most people have the "traditional" way of thinking that you cannot get more out than in.

The last part is hard to accept, but I think there isn't more out than in, but every time there is a reaction between two matters, like burning H and O, they loose some mass in the fusion into water. This massdifference is seen as radiant energy we can harness. So my thougt is that the mass of the water will eventually dissappear as pure energy. This will however happen very slow. Because if you gain 2kWh, the energy production by use of 1 gram of water, will take over 2000 years to emty. Einsteins theories is a proof of this, and the whole deal isnt violating anything of the laws in physics - because mass IS energy, just waiting for a trigger to convert it into radiant and useful energy. And water is a very convenient matter to do this with.

Fourth: The goverments around the globe - what will happen with Norways economies if the production of oil, gas, and gasoline discontiniued because of the HHO? There are quite powerful forces which is trying to stop development of alternative energy that is a threat to oil production.

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