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Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin

Started by Magluvin, March 01, 2010, 01:30:50 AM

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ramset

Teets
:-*

But what was the first one [the little one]?

Did I miss it?

Chet

Besides ,
Look at the mess oil is making in southern U.S.,
Even if you don.t share your secrets!
get off your ass and get busy bud!
These guys are killing our planet ,a gallon at a time!
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

ramset

Teets
Share your "little" OU secret with the fella's,
and we'll keep busy until you and your Boys get the biggy goin!!

That would be nice!!

Chet
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

Magluvin

I did some playing last night but no vids till later today. I was trying to figure out how the rotor was able to go in both directions without timing changes.  It must be that the reed is just firing very short pulses just as the rotor mags are passing center of the coils. I had not seen this before and maybe it has always been that way. Later I will set it up just in pulse motor config and see if the results are the same.

I also tried a 1uf cap and the reed sparking was less but the inductor was producing a lot of pulsing noise. The ferrite transformer core is not glued together. I just used black tape tightly to hold it together, but the seams are apparently clacking so I need a tighter wrap.

Another thing that comes to light is the fact that when charging the inductor, there is current flowing through the motor coils and the inductor is like a 22 ohm resistor in series, so there is motive reaction there also along with cap discharge. So that tells me that for comparison purposes, that I can run the regular pulse motor with a 22 ohm in series to get a some what close comparison to what is happening, and if the cap discharge is a help here or not.

The motor coils are not a short conductor coil as prescribed by Tesla, but things are apparently working. After this project I will put a transformer together to see what the "quiver" Tesla spoke of that happens during the cap discharge on the short, stout, conductor has in store for us.

Mags

Magluvin

[See Nikola Tesla: Colorado Springs Notes, page 324, Photograph III.]

FIG. 6. PHOTOGRAPHIC VIEW OF THE ESSENTIAL PARTS OF THE ELECTRICAL OSCILLATOR USED IN THE EXPERIMENTS DESCRIBED

I had arrived at the limit of rates obtainable in other ways when the happy idea presented itself to me to resort to the condenser.  I arranged such an instrument so as to be charged and discharged alternately in rapid succession through a coil with a few turns of stout wire, forming the primary of a transformer or induction-coil.  Each time the condenser was discharged the current would quiver in the primary wire and induce corresponding oscillations in the secondary.  Thus a transformer or induction-coil on new principles was evolved, which I have called "the electrical oscillator," partaking of those unique qualities which characterize the condenser, and enabling results to be attained impossible by other means.  Electrical effects of any desired character and of intensities undreamed of before are now easily producible by perfected apparatus of this kind, to which frequent reference has been made, and the essential parts of which are shown in Fig. 6. For certain purposes a strong inductive effect is required; for others the greatest possible suddenness; for others again, an exceptionally high rate of vibration or extreme pressure; while for certain other objects immense electrical movements are necessary.  The photographs in Figs. 7, 8, 9, and 10, of experiments performed with such an oscillator, may serve to illustrate some of these features and convey an idea of the magnitude of the effects actually produced.  The completeness of the titles of the figures referred to makes a further description of them unnecessary.

Magluvin

The Tesla quote above, I had found while looking at some things Delboy had posted on the Magnifying Transmitter thread the other day, but this was on the previous pages to what he had posted.
But I thought about it today. Is there an advantage to having a primary coil of a few turns of stout wire? Could it be that the oscillations in the primary and the cap are not killed off as easily as a hundred or more turns of another primary that are commonly used? Why else would Tesla do it this way?

For all this time, I know we can get caps and coils to resonate and ring with a single pulse, but I also know that a secondary with a load will kill it. Kill it as in if we were to kick a cap/coil resonator, the oscillations would die faster, even just about instantly, with a secondary coil with a load on it if it were near the primary. But, what if the few turns of stout primary, which of course no doubt be of some high freq, just might not loose its waves of oscillation as quickly as a high resistance primary, as to say that maybe the resistance would be a main cause in the nature of the thing.
So if we can get more than 1 oscillations to affect a secondary, and even other secondaries along with it, for every kick, maybe we get a bunch of oscillations into the secondary before they die off in the primary than a typical primary.
Each one of those slowly dying oscillations adding up with the next to become equal to and greater than the initial kick, if what my mind is telling me is of any value, other than another way to look at it....

Maybe the stout primary is of so little resistance and the caps instantaneous discharge into that resistance, the amount of wattage at that moment would be staggering.  But would that wattage in the amount of time that it existed, be more than the wattage and the amount of time to charge the cap for discharge?

Mags ;)

I come up with thing sometimes that I dont fully understand why I had come up with it. I suppose its just experience and some subconscious thought that brings some things to light without a clear explanation. But then I have to find out if it is true. =]

Mags