Well, I finally managed to wade my way through this thread - it started out great, but went astray somewhere.  Very interesting nonetheless, imo largely the result of Magluvin and delboy...

@delboy - you seem to have a masterful grasp of this stuff. Question, what do you think would be the effect of using the same setup (pancake coil with a few-turn primary on the perimeter) except when building the pancake, you use a different gauge wire every few turns - start outside with heavy-gauge, decreasing gauge as it winds its way towards the center?

Ok, were going to be doing some more on this subject for a bit.
Im finding more and more that if I think of the inductor as a flywheel and the capacitor as a spring, I get a better feel for what is going on in these circuits.  We were in Rosemarry's thread so we will bring it here as its appropriate.

I think that with the igniter circuit, I need to tune it a bit. Like a lot of circuits, the desired output can be compromised by 1 off value part.

So Woopy has a couple vids that show that an inductor can be thought of as an electronic flywheel, and he does some tests on shorting the cap to energize the inductor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrwgEb5ac_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQFD1cDlEUU


Now I am suggesting the possibility of being able to use this flywheel to get more out than in. Ill be working on the circuits after the weekend as Im finishing some test setup of the bitoroid transformers right now.

Here is an example

If you connect a 1uf cap across a 5v battery then disconnect it, the cap should have 5v across the terminals. Im sure we agree. =]
The cap hold a determined amount of energy, correct?  5v on 1uf cap has a finite calculable amount of energy.

And that amount of energy is how much we took from that battery, correct?  An amount we could count on every time. 
I have another theory on this, but will get to that next week. ;]


So Im going to use the flywheel in my circuit to use only the amount of energy that is in a 1uf cap at 5v, but charge a 1uf cap to above 5v.
Its not that much, but it is something.   ;]

mags

@ Magluvin

Fantastic work you're doing, I can see from your posts lately that you're on a high of creativity...keep the juices flowing and keep it up!

Regards,
Paul

Hey Goat

Thanks.  Ya know, when I say flywheel in reference to and inductor, Im serious. ;]
And it helps some that never thought of it that way, see it in a  new light. ;]  It helps imagination take place where it may not have been before.

mags

Hey Magluvin

I think I know what you're talking about, I once tried charging a cap bank on a bedini wheel using milliamps and ended up with over 1,000 V on the cap bank in no time and man could it deliver an instantaneous charge...so if you add the inductor as you say then yes big bang for the milliamp buck

My problem was always returning that big bang to the source but you're way seems like it could do it....I look forward to your experiments and results.

Regards,
Paul