Quote from: e2matrix on June 18, 2011, 09:46:22 PM
Slightly off topic but in a way I think it's important.  An interesting little situation I stumbled into that supports what bolt is saying just happened.  Just yesterday in the process of looking for something in a supply store I was asked by the owner what I needed it for.  To make a long story short he kept prodding me and we ended up talking about alternate energy.  He told me about a guy he knew up the road who had an industrial type place which used a number of large electric motors and that he had converted some 3 phase motors to one phase and they did something special.  I mentioned Rotoverter and he said yeah that sounds familiar.  He said this guy needed power to get this 'special' converted motor running but once it was running he ran the whole place from the power it provided and that it even ran his electric meter backwards.  He said he has not actually seen it in person but this guy knows everyone around here and knowing the culture here as I do it's very unlikely he's making this up.  Apparently this guy is very old now and no longer runs this place but I'm planning on trying to look him up to see if I can get a look at this setup.  I'm still kicking myself for not picking up a good size 3 phase motor at a garage sale that was $10.

For every person that goes public there maybe a 100 or even 1000 loopers that keep quite.  If i know of 6 public RV loopers that means in reality there is somewhere between 600 to 6000 looped RV systems on earth some going for decades. This is true for a lot of this technology i bet there are many TPU's in use as well as other stuff we are not privy to this information.

BTW there is an elite rapid clean up plan in operation to get rid of ALL cheap induction motors that can run in RV mode. The cheap ones are being wiped out replaced like new induction motors used to be dirt cheap now price has risien over 30% in last 2 years.In the coming years you will not be able to get access to these induction motors anywhere as being phased out to new designs with inbuilt inverters etc that will NEVER work in RV mode.

Quote from: Jdo300 on June 18, 2011, 09:07:51 PM
Hi Bolt,

Lastly, the principles you were describing I would love to learn and intuitively understand a bit more. Would you happen to have any good sources that you would recommend for one to get more acquainted with the ideas you discussed (specifically, the idea about working with the electric field of the coil to tap the energy of the magnets, as opposed to conventional induction).

Thanks!
Jason O

I love your workshop when can i move in??!!

Quote from: bolt on June 18, 2011, 11:19:14 PM
I love your workshop when can i move in??!!

LOL Thanks! I've been working on it for a while now  .

Anyway, I've spent some time reading through your posts over the last week or so and wanted to come up with a summary of the basic principles we need to start with.

1. Tune our coils to have the most reactive energy stored in the tank circuit/coil (VARS).
A. PF needs to be 0 with the current 90 degrees out of phase in the tank (hence resonance).
B. Large inductance, low capacitance preferred.
C. Either non-inductive bifilar coil or two bucking coils needed to energize the tank circuit without loading the motor.

2. Use one of several methods to tap the energy from the tank circuit (coil shorting, synchronous load switching, passive tuning, sine clipping using Zeners, etc. etc.).

Since I'm still stuck at stage 1. One thing I know I immediately failed to do was to wire my coils in the bucking configuration while tuning to resonance. Bolt, when you say "Out of phase coils back to back", I understand the "back to back" part to mean that the coils are wired so that their fields oppose. However is the "out of phase" part something additional that I need to cause by my configuration or does this effect naturally occur on its own because coils are bucking eachother?

Secondly, when picking the right size cap for the coil in this configuration, I noticed that when measuring the inductance of the coils in bucking configuration that the inductance dropped (duh). However, I'm assuming that the circuit behavior is much more dynamic since the magnet is essentially (electrostatically inducing power??) in the coil rather than magnetically. Do you know if the same standard resonant frequency calcs apply to tuning the circuit in bucking/canceling mode as in the normal cases?

Also, earlier when I mentioned metallic cores, I was just referring to any coil that had a ferromagnetic materials of some kind in it. My pulse motor has pure air cores which is why I was concerned about that aspect.

- Jason O

LOL Thanks! I've been working on it for a while now  .

Anyway, I've spent some time reading through your posts over the last week or so and wanted to come up with a summary of the basic principles we need to start with.

1. Tune our coils to have the most reactive energy stored in the tank circuit/coil (VARS).

yes

A. PF needs to be 0 with the current 90 degrees out of phase in the tank (hence resonance).

yes

B. Large inductance, low capacitance preferred.

yes


C. Either non-inductive bifilar coil or two bucking coils needed to energize the tank circuit without loading the motor.

or a mixture of the two.

2. Use one of several methods to tap the energy from the tank circuit (coil shorting, synchronous load switching, passive tuning, sine clipping using Zeners, etc. etc.).

can be passive but active power factor correction is easier to deal with dynamic and variable loads.

Since I'm still stuck at stage 1. One thing I know I immediately failed to do was to wire my coils in the bucking configuration while tuning to resonance. Bolt, when you say "Out of phase coils back to back", I understand the "back to back" part to mean that the coils are wired so that their fields oppose. However is the "out of phase" part something additional that I need to cause by my configuration or does this effect naturally occur on its own because coils are bucking eachother?

back to back for opposing fields and maybe even bifilar wound cores crossed over like joule thief windings. This is why Romero said stay with ONE pair of coils and don't go any further till you have found the perfect solution.

Secondly, when picking the right size cap for the coil in this configuration, I noticed that when measuring the inductance of the coils in bucking configuration that the inductance dropped (duh). However, I'm assuming that the circuit behavior is much more dynamic since the magnet is essentially (electrostatically inducing power??) in the coil rather than magnetically. Do you know if the same standard resonant frequency calcs apply to tuning the circuit in bucking/canceling mode as in the normal cases?

I don't know the formula for out of phase inductors. They will APPEAR to be very small inductors as the test equipment pushes an in phase signal and the new special inductor cancels the flux and it appears to be a small inductance. So you can not pre-measure and calc or measure  the required capacitor that would be too damn easy

Also, earlier when I mentioned metallic cores, I was just referring to any coil that had a ferromagnetic materials of some kind in it. My pulse motor has pure air cores which is why I was concerned about that aspect.

OK i doubt standard aircore go OU very easy if at all as there is no proxy for ambient energy transformation.

Hint for lower power drive on pulse motors use alike 50Khz PWM 61.8% duty cycle when the hall calls for a pulse during the allowed time slit window.


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Quote from: bolt on June 19, 2011, 12:45:18 AMcan be passive but active power factor correction is easier to deal with dynamic and variable loads.

Yeah I would much prefer the broadband approach. My plan is to do some testing with Kone's coil shorting circuits once I get the tuning part of the equation worked out. I just hope that I can make the air-cores work or I may end up having to wind some new generator windings.

Quote from: bolt on June 19, 2011, 12:45:18 AMback to back for opposing fields and maybe even bifilar wound cores crossed over like joule thief windings. This is why Romero said stay with ONE pair of coils and don't go any further till you have found the perfect solution.

When you say bifilar-wound cores crossed over like joule-thieves, do you mean something like two bifilar canceling windings connected in series on either side of the magnet, or something else?

Quote from: bolt on June 19, 2011, 12:45:18 AMOK i doubt standard aircore go OU very easy if at all as there is no proxy for ambient energy transformation.

When you refer to a "proxy" for ambient energy transformation. What types of proxies exist? I know from your previous posts that you mentioned isotope formation in metal cores as one proxy. Are there others? For the air-cores, my thought was that direct E-field coupling with the environment in tune with an existing signal constituted coupling with the environment to some extent.

Quote from: bolt on June 19, 2011, 12:45:18 AMHint for lower power drive on pulse motors use alike 50Khz PWM 61.8% duty cycle when the hall calls for a pulse during the allowed time slit window.[/b]

Thanks will try that .

- Jason O