Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 02, 2011, 01:47:35 PM
plenty of chances? like when specifically? and what were the 'tests' to be performed (specifically) that he (rossi) refused? furthermore, it is not a "problem"... it is his (rossi's) prerogative.

Go read the articles on Peswiki like everyone else. Volume of steam output claim keeps going down, etc ad nauseum.

Quote from: happyfunball on October 02, 2011, 01:52:42 PM
Go read the articles on Peswiki like everyone else. Volume of steam output claim keeps going down, etc ad nauseum.

you talk of farcical and then you direct me to peswiki?  LMFAO!!! that's rich man, thanks for the laugh!

so... you really have nothing to base your argument upon then do you?

Because of the unique way Rossi has chosen to do this
I think his problem may be that he doesn't understand
"computer process instrumentation and control" very well
if at all. Stuff like "observables, Lagrangian" and other
the neat stuff used to collect data to support a process model.
Of course there is no law against doing things this way.
If he knew at least the basics then he would be able to
apply "self intelligent process controllers" which are able
to  find the stability control laws for a system without human
technical intervention.

For example, I would never try to operate his reactor without
a microcontroller to at least collect data. This may be why Rossi
is tied to generating steam with his reactor. In this scenario he uses
the thermal parameters of generating water vapor as a process control
setpoint. He may not know how to derive process stability models for
operating the reactor at a selectable temperature without completely
redesigning it each time.

Always needing steam has made his life difficult because calorimetry
works with water, even though there are probably specialized
instrumentsthat can do calorimetry with steam. His solution
is this dual calorimeter loop that uses a heat exchanger to
let him have his steam but do calorimetry with water.

This might also be why the hoped for Defkalion deal
(which he badly needed for technical reasons) fell through,
they would have wanted not only the process but stability
control logic mechanism other then steam. 100Deg C steam
is a limitation for upgraded energy.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Quote from: mscoffman on October 02, 2011, 02:03:37 PM
Because of the unique way Rossi has chosen to do this
I think his problem may be that he doesn't understand
"computer process instrumentation and control" very well
if at all. Stuff like "observables, Lagrangian" and other
the neat stuff used to collect data to support a process model.
Of course there is no law against doing things this way.
If he knew at least the basics then he would be able to
apply "self intelligent process controllers" which are able
to  find the stability control laws for a system without human
technical intervention.

For example, I would never try to operate his reactor without
a microcontroller to at least collect data. This may be why Rossi
is tied to generating steam with his reactor. In this scenario he uses
the thermal parameters of generating water vapor as a process control
setpoint. He may not know how to derive process stability models for
operating the reactor at a selectable temperature without completely
redesigning it each time.

Always needing steam has made his life difficult because calorimetry
works with water, even though there are probably specialized
instrumentsthat can do calorimetry with steam. His solution
is this dual calorimeter loop that uses a heat exchanger to
let him have his steam but do calorimetry with water.

This might also be why the hoped for Defkalion deal
(which he badly needed for technical reasons) fell through,
they would have wanted not only the process but stability
control logic mechanism other then steam. 100Deg C steam
is a limitation for upgraded energy.

:S:MarkSCoffman

generating steam for power isn't really "unique"... it's more like the de facto standard

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 02, 2011, 01:55:26 PM
you talk of farcical and then you direct me to peswiki?  LMFAO!!! that's rich man, thanks for the laugh!

so... you really have nothing to base your argument upon then do you?

Peswiki is an easy source for all the links to the testing of the 'E-Cat,' much as you are an easy source for endless juvenile flaming.