Don't shoot the messenger, I am only forwarding the latest news.
Frankly, I don't care about this commercial fight, I rather like to look at the bigger picture here.
It's clear that something very relevant is boiling here. Literally.
The fact that there is already a serous competitor shows that it's even more proove Rossi is not a one off scammer.
There will be much more public fights on this soon.
That's always the case when it involves big amounts of money.

But that's only minor news.
The main thing is that something will change the global energy landscape in a very rapid paste.
And even that may be the beginning of other area's of new developments.
Once this process is understood, more spectacular things will happen.

Quote from: teslaalset on December 01, 2011, 03:35:34 AM
Don't shoot the messenger, I am only forwarding the latest news.
Frankly, I don't care about this commercial fight, I rather like to look at the bigger picture here.
It's clear that something very relevant is boiling here. Literally.
The fact that there is already a serous competitor shows that it's even more proove Rossi is not a one off scammer.
There will be much more public fights on this soon.
That's always the case when it involves big amounts of money.

But that's only minor news.
The main thing is that something will change the global energy landscape in a very rapid paste.
And even that may be the beginning of other area's of new developments.
Once this process is understood, more spectacular things will happen.

I agree with you.  It's all good.  I actually answered this and lost the post.  Is there something wrong with the connectivity here with OU.com.  It's been rather brittle - all day.  Off and on.

Anyway - as you say Teslaalset - everything's moving in the right direction and AT PACE.  What could be better.  Surprisingly little attention from our forum members though. 

Regards,
Rosemary

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on December 01, 2011, 08:58:42 AM
I agree with you.  It's all good.  I actually answered this and lost the post.  Is there something wrong with the connectivity here with OU.com.  It's been rather brittle - all day.  Off and on.

Anyway - as you say Teslaalset - everything's moving in the right direction and AT PACE.  What could be better.  Surprisingly little attention from our forum members though. 

Regards,
Rosemary

@Rosemary:
I find this way too obvious to ignore or dismiss as well.  The little attention this revolutionary technology is getting is very ironic for an "over unity" forum but it may help to separate those who are genuinely here for the cause of over unity and those who are here for other purposes.

Rossi put out a statement today regarding his old crooked business partners.  Here's the link to that:

http://ecatnews.com/?p=1526


In my opinion, Andrea Rossi is taking all the right steps in order to advance LENR.  You have to bring it to market with protection so wealthy interests can not buy it out from underneath of you and punish anyone who replicates it because this has been the case up until Rossi.  And then there's the scams.  People who will not let you test it yourself even if you are a serious paying customer.  The previous scams have revolved around such schemes as:

·   We have to wait until we have 10,000 buyers paid up in full before we can ship the product.
·   We will ship the product in two years (and then when 2 years go by with still no delivery of the product, the shipping   date get pushed back even further).
·   Then there’s the Orbo approach.  What a wax job that is.
·   Then there's the disappearing company where the owner leaves the country with all the money and hides.

I like Rossi's business model (the test drive part especially) and his rapid advance into the commercialization stage.  At last an over unity inventor with an equally impressive business approach.

Regards,

Chess

Hi Guys,

Here's what occurs to me.  I buy an E-Cat unit.  I then dismantle the system and learn how it works.  I then re-assemble the unit and go into production.  Then I make boat loads of money.  Rossi sues me.  I defend the action - but a Court Order determines that I must pay Rossi what?  The patent protects 'not' the knowledge 'but' the right to enrichment from that knowledge.  The most patent holders earn is 3% or thereby of net profits - or, where it can be pre-negotiated - gross profits. If a court rules that this is owing then  I'd pay it gladly.  ALSO.  Even if it didn't go to court I'd gladly pay Rossi - in advance - lest it go to Court. 

As I understand it - right now there is no law that prevents the 'duplication' of any technology.  But I also know that provisional patents carry something like a year's absolute INTERNATIONAL protection to ensure that there's time to 'cover' the technology adequately and to let everyone argue their prior knowledge claims. The weakness of this technology is that there's no 'reasonable' explanation within the standard model.  Their 'best shot' is to argue a weak nuclear reaction.  But that does not allow for the transmutation of elements without some emissions.  Bottom line they're going to argue the 'theory' in support of the evidence.  The question is does that negate the force of the patent?  I doubt it.  Because the Law MUST protect the working technology regardless.  Isn't there a lawyer reading here who could comment?

Think about it.  The Wright brothers - to the best of my knowledge - did not patent their planes.  But they were flown well in advance of the 'theory' in support of it.  The atom bomb was developed when the question related to the feasibility of 'splitting the atom' was still raging in and out of academic circles.  The assumption had been that the transmutation of elements first needed the improbable access to a power source equal to the force of a super nova.  And then there's the final problem.  Which is this.  The only thing, to the best of my knowledge - that CANNOT be patented - is a natural force.  In other words - technically NO-ONE will be able to patent LENR - or call it what you like - technology.  All that can be patented is the idiosyncratic use of catalytic materials - or those materials that can sustain this process.  We also know that there have been results - albeit not that dramatic - with the use of palladium and deuterium.  Rossi is using nickle and hydrogen.  Who is to say that someone wont find other and better 'mixes'.  And there is NO way that Rossi can patent the full 'gamut'.   Nor can he patent LENR. 

To my way of thinking - there is going to a harvest of variations to this.  And hopefully each one will come with a different producer.  And each one will, quite possibly, carry it's own rights to patent.  What we all need to keep in mind is this.  Rossi has made his technology PUBLIC.  That's really big.  I know the poor guy has been the victim of jealous self-interests in his previous business ventures with Petroldragon.  That was a public humiliation.  And his subsequent exoneration from guilt was - for reasons best known to our media - made considerably LESS public.  This new venture of his is 'in the face' of those detractors.  Retrospectively - it is highly likely to all become the absolute FINAL VINDICATION.  I'm sure that for this reason alone - Rossi would be out of reach of anyone who bribes him to 'bury' his technology.

But more the point.  Rossi would know that this technology comes with some considerable risk of competition.  And I'm absolutely satisfied that he does not care.  There's obviously more than enough money to go around.  He's got a head start.  And it's very likely that his own 'personal mix' is cheap enough and abundant enough to ensure its continued use.  Quite apart from which, the guy is very obviously COURAGEOUS and INVENTIVE.  That's big in my book.  So.  Give me a choice between an E-Cat or anything else on the market, then I'll go E-cat.  The guy is already a legend in my book.  Golly.  He's come up with the FINAL SOLUTION to our rather heavy dependencies on energy.  WHAT A STAR.

Sorry to go on and on.  But it's SUCH a WONDERFUL SUBJECT.

Kindest
Rosemary

Quote from: chessnyt on December 01, 2011, 08:31:34 PM
@Rosemary:
I find this way too obvious to ignore or dismiss as well.  The little attention this revolutionary technology is getting is very ironic for an "over unity" forum but it may help to separate those who are genuinely here for the cause of over unity and those who are here for other purposes.

Rossi put out a statement today regarding his old crooked business partners.  Here's the link to that:

http://ecatnews.com/?p=1526


In my opinion, Andrea Rossi is taking all the right steps in order to advance LENR.  You have to bring it to market with protection so wealthy interests can not buy it out from underneath of you and punish anyone who replicates it because this has been the case up until Rossi.  And then there's the scams.  People who will not let you test it yourself even if you are a serious paying customer.  The previous scams have revolved around such schemes as:

·   We have to wait until we have 10,000 buyers paid up in full before we can ship the product.
·   We will ship the product in two years (and then when 2 years go by with still no delivery of the product, the shipping   date get pushed back even further).
·   Then there’s the Orbo approach.  What a wax job that is.
·   Then there's the disappearing company where the owner leaves the country with all the money and hides.

I like Rossi's business model (the test drive part especially) and his rapid advance into the commercialization stage.  At last an over unity inventor with an equally impressive business approach.

Regards,

Chess

Quite right Chess.  I absolutely agree with this.  Regarding the 'lack of interest'.  Actually your thread is well read.  Just not that well subscribed.  But what is absolutely BEWILDERING is that there's NOTHING on our other 'energy'.com type forums.  What gives?  I think the real problem is that everyone here was rather hoping to 'lead' with the evidence.  And their hopes - for reasons better understood by themselves -  are not quite 'dead'.      They should be.  The IDEAL technology seems to be to hand.

Either that or they're actually more interested in testing and discussing than in finding a solution.  OR - God forbid - they're in that number who simply debate the evidence.  No intended progression EVER.  OR.  A combination of the above.  I must say.  This rather puts paid to developing anything at all beyond what Rossi has got.  I know that's my take on all this.  The man's clearly an experimental GENIUS.  But it does rather put our own efforts into the shade somewhat.  And by that I mean the work of just about everyone on these forums.  Not that they're not of value.  I think that this over unity drive of ours - has certainly played its part in the development of awareness.  And I know that, deep down, we were all compelled to add our bit to that pool of knowledge.  But I also think we've now got a solution worthy of our very best reach here. 

What I do expect now though is that someone will put together that perpetual motion motor that's eluded us all thus far.  Wouldn't that be grand?  Then we've tackled the energy problem from every possible angle.  That would be the most elegant solution yet.  A magnet that keeps spinning - and keeps generating an electric current.  NO INPUT REQUIRED.  LOL.  And better yet - how about anti gravity machines?  LENR technology isn't going to advance that.  Plenty work still needed. 

   

So.  The challenges keep coming. 
As ever,
Rosemary

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