Quote from: Cloxxki on January 11, 2012, 08:25:49 AM
@Neptune
I admire your composure and commend your methods, working witht he skillset you happen to have.

What saddens me about the FE community, one can throw in a 2SO, stick an expensive OU label to it, and make it the burden of the community to make it work for them, and to disprove it. We're so eager for new viable ideas, that we'll chase such a ghost for years. I myself have gained a bit of insight by the 2SO, as would any proper riddle, but in no way has it set me on a path towards OU.
The FE community needs to invest more time and effort (even money) into the 2SO to disprove it than the inventor ever did to vague and very shadily prove it. Only after a convincing disproval (we're almost sure it won' be accepted by the investor regardless how good it is), will we have ridden us of this project, and can this collective brainpower be put to fresh, more meritable ideas.

   Cloxxki,
  At one time, I was going to build a demonstration of the principle I believe Bessler used.
I was severely attacked for it.
As things are, this should be the last thing for me to be concerned with. One of the basic failures of the OU/FE community is a lack of actual education and working knowledge of engineering. When working with Newton's Laws of Motion, it helps to uderstand how various forces can be manipulated by design.
As for myself, I have posted some ideas which have been basically ignored. It could be that to understand how an application can be varied or modified is not understood because  a lack of experience and or knowledge.
  As things are, I may quit everything I have been doing. Where I live is really no place to work. Yet when I tried to find someone to work with, I only got attacked for not having a place to work. And that is the blow hards of the OU/FE community. They have lots of opinions and those are mostly criticism for others trying to do what they're not doing. It has gotten old for me. I mean, there are some parts I can build, but without using a router and having a place to build a steam box, it is a waste of time.
I think in reality it is as one person posted at besslerwheel.com, it is their sanctuary and they do not wish to discuss how something might actually work. It would take the fun out of it and that is why the TSO is still a topic when after all these years, where is the working model ? To me, that is sufficient proof it is not OU.

edited to add; it is a lot of work to develop an idea.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Bessler2011?ob=video-mustangbase

Hi Guys . I ve been running some tests on my rig with the 360 degree pendulum . At present my results are showing LESS efficiency than a normal pendulum released from horizontal . As I have said , my tests are by no means definitive , but accurate enough to convince myself . I have a new idea I want to build , but I will discuss that when the time comes .
   @Johnny 874 . Please do not give up now , you have come too far for that , and if you are like me , you probably need this work to give structure and meaning to your life . Criticism is something we all get every day . In my opinion , the only people qualified to criticise OU researchers  are those people who can demonstrate a self runner , and they tend to be a bit thin on the ground . In the view of most people , OU researchers are all insane anyway , so what does it matter what people think . At worst , this work is just a harmless hobby .
       As I say , today I do not believe the 2so is overunity , tomorrow I might , given evidence . Regarding Milkovic ,in a way , what really matters is if if it is really easier to pump water with his device , than a standard pump . It would sure be interesting to see some trials , with both types of pump and some unbiased operators . Naturally , they would swap pumps at half time . It could become a new event for the Olympic Games , perhaps . Remember that if we need to change a wheel , we raise the vehicle using a jack , whereas in theory it would use less energy to raise the vehicle manually . OK Talk soon , Regards Ken.

Quote from: neptune on January 11, 2012, 11:31:47 AM
and if you are like me , you probably need this work to give structure and meaning to your life . Criticism is something we all get every day     

  Family would give my life meaning and structure. This is for the abuse. Most people I think shy away from building because how do you build a wheel, even if it doesn't work ? And I think they are afraid of putting forth that much effort.

@ neptune
Thanks neptune & clokki,
Thanks for keeping sanity here. I don't want either of you to think that I spend 24 hrs a day contemplating the tsmo. I have wasted no time on the tsmo, because 5 yrs ago, I could probably not even been able to describe a vague concept of angular momentum, angular velocity, centrifugal force, etc, etc. But now I probably could. The tsmo has been a great learning tool for me, and I still have a gut feeling that there could be overunity. It's hard to explain, and I wish I would have kept some better records of my experiments. On the other hand I have not 2nd mortgaged my home to build  tsmo's.  I use mostly scrap materials and most of my stuff is just tack welded together. I add weld as needed, in  accordance to the weights I am using. I try not to waste tons of energy and resources to do experiments, welding rod and the energy to burn the rods. I can put models together quickly with my methods though, that's what I do for a living. Clokki, You made the offer- help me figure out the most efficient design for my pump and I can build it in several hours. The pipe sizing and check valves are the key and I think with a simple design, this could be something anyone could build. That is a priority for me because I have found that alot of these free energy idea';s aren't so free if you have to spend several thousand dollars worth of stuff to do it. may as well just get a solar panel system and hell with it. Maybe that was something that just lead me towards the tsmo.
@johnny
Don't get discouraged. I have been "attacked" in person, and let me assure you it is much more humiliating than it is on the internet. F it. Do your thing and what you beleive in. Be cool about it though.

Hi Jim, Neptune,

Einstein said it best:

Quote"If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be called research."

I must be good at research because I still don't know what the heck I'm doing. 

Keep experimenting.