Oh, sorry, a radio interview with Rossi and NASA vaguely referring to LENR without showing any working devices clears it all up. Lol....

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Quote from: teslaalset on February 01, 2012, 07:46:55 AM
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LOL

Why even bother about trolls? Just ignore them and they will dissolve in the air like a wisp of bad smell.

Anyone who have read the summary made by the two Swedish scientists who attended the 6 hour test at the Leonardocorp in Bologna will understand that there is no traditional
scientific way to describe what happens within the 50cc reactor during these six hours:

Below is an attached PDF file of a paper covering the experimental 6 hour test of a mini-Rossi device at the Leonardocorp, Bologna 29 March 2011, published by the two attending scientists from the Swedish University of Uppsala:

I have also attached The Rossi-Focardi paper published at the Bologna University as aPDF below.

And finally the application for the patent:
http://www.wipo.int/patentscope/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2009125444&recNum=1&maxRec=1&office=&prevFilter=&sortOption=&queryString=FP%3A%28WO%2F2009%2F125444%29&tab=PCT+Biblio

Gwandau

Mainly in response to Gwandau's long post above...

I'm inclined to believe Rossi and others have done what they claim to have done.  But until there's more wide-spread access to and testing of the devices, to the point where it's conclusive there haven't been any honest mistakes and the technology is viable in real world practical terms, I think it's natural to reserve at least some degree of doubt.  However, my doubt will take the form of encouraging Rossi or anyone else to just get on with it and, basically, get the stuff out there.  I see no point whatsoever in heaping on the skepticism or knee-jerk dismissals and presumptions and throwing up obstacles to hinder them in reaching their end-game.  If they're all faking it, I just say, here, have more rope, get on with it and hang yourselves or use it to hurry up and help us all benefit from what you've achieved.  It costs me nothing to assume the best and expect the worst.  Some obviously take another approach though.

I'm also of the opinion though, that until these devices Rossi and others are working on are more widely checked out and tested, the whole LENR thing could still be knocked on the head and swept under the carpet even if all the claims being made about it are in fact entirely true.  The limited media attention Rossi has gained so far won't mean a thing and could easily be turned against him with just a few falsified reports and 'official' announcements, leaving the committed skeptics to claim another 'victory', while those with entrenched interests in maintaining the so-called status-quo breathe a sigh of relief, as the 'believers' are left again to try and figure out if there really was or could actually be something to the technology they were so sure was legit.

As to who Rossi's big 'customer' is, Chessnyt suggested earlier it was/is the US Navy, and I think that'd be a pretty good guess.  Of course it is just a guess, but if I had to make one that would be it.  Unless someone can tell me who else is capable of spending that sort of money, for use in remote and inhospitable regions, while keeping it (and having the motivation to keep it) secret.

People might think that would be the last kind of organization to invest in this sort of technology, but in recent months the US Navy has made several public statements about their commitment to using more alternative sources of energy.  They recently ran one of their ships on bio-fuel, and have stated they have throughout their history always been at the fore-front of using new technologies, going from sail to steam to diesel to nuclear power.  They've even stated percentage goals they intend to achieve in regards to becoming less reliant on current fuels.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there.

In regards to the possible effects of this technology on society and the whole world, I agree it could be disruptive to the extreme.  But people can adapt.   And if one wants to consider all the possibilities, one must also consider the possibility that some form of this LENR stuff could be introduced in a limited, heavily regulated (albeit still wide-spread) way, so that nothing really changes except some shares in a bunch of companies change hands and all the oil being drilled stops getting burned up and gets re-directed into manufacturing uses.  No big deal, lol.

Some people (myself included) seem to like to load up all sorts of other dreams and wants onto the free-energy horse.  And imo there's nothing wrong with those dreams and hopes and wants, but surely they don't have to be mutually inclusive.  I personally would like a bit of restructuring to go with my free-energy, and wouldn't like to see the opportunity for that to happen be squandered, but I'd consider settling for just a more efficient and environmentally friendly way of generating power.  The power-deranged individuals running the show will come unstuck one way or another, and if it's going to happen later rather than sooner, then lets at least clean up our energy-producing act in the meantime, no-one has to lose out if it's done right.