Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on February 10, 2012, 02:36:26 AM
What I enjoy about those transcripts that you give us Chess - is that one can hear the humanity in the guy.  He's not a boaster.  He's cautious and clearly troubled about the implications of all this.  And yet he keeps up that required optimism.  And so BRAVE.  I'm absolutely IN LOVE.  I have most certainly ordered my E-cat and so have my children.  I'm yet to alert my neighbours - but they none of them have computers.  Perhaps I can do that ordering for them?  I'll give it a go.  And my friends and collaborators have, I believe - all placed their orders.  This is an important requirement guys.  Because that way Rossi will know the scale that's needed - and he'll have a nice carrot to dangle for those franchised manufacturers.

And Chess, again.  Many, many thanks for these tireless efforts.  Interesting to see your focus from such an early period.  My own involvement in all this was way too late in life.  I LOVE THIS THREAD.  It's where I come when I want some relief from sundry pressures.

Kindest and best,
Rosie     

@Rosemary:
I have to agree with you on your statement regarding Rossi's humanity.   Yes, his character shines through as he humbly makes the time to do lengthy interviews with a tiny media outlet such as PESN.com despite putting in 16 hours a day on his business enterprize.  I mean no disrespect but they (PESN)are not exactly the equivalent (in audience or resources) to ABC or CNN by any stretch. 

Then there are some here who have pointed out that Rossi is in this to make a profit and he should instead be making this an open source technology.  To these I must say; this is true.  He is definitely looking to make a profit, however, if Rossi had no other motives than to make lots of money, he could have easily sold out to the oil cartels a long time ago without having to put up one cent of his own money. 

He wouldn't even have to be concerned about who will be contracted to design the controls or where he can set up manufacturing plants to mass produce the E-Cats.  Surely, if Rossi were in this for the money alone, he would have joined the likes of Steve Ryan and simply sold out and said the hell with all of the hard work and red tape (and having to sell his own home).  I always keep in mind that Stanley Meyer was even offered over $1 billion dollars cash by the Arabs alone just to sit on his technology and do nothing with it.

I'm with you about wanting the technology to become an open source effort but at least we have hope of ever having access to this breakthrough science as opposed to having it buried by the greedy energy vendors who could only salivate over the thought of having it permanently shelved.

These are just some of my thoughts concerning Rossi's humanity.  I also understand why you are "in love", Rosemary.  He is certainly very brave, noble and persevering    I'm so jealous 

I am very delighted to hear that you find solace here and the feeling is mutual.  Thank you for the nice compliments.


Warmest regards,

Chess

Quote from: Gwandau on February 10, 2012, 03:16:52 PM
teslaalset,

I believe there is really no need to plug into the grid to drive the e-cat.

As I have understood, Andrea Rossi has managed to control the heat production in the catalyzer in a very simple way,
namely by repeatedly triggering the system into LENR mode, and letting it cool off in between. This way the nickel powder
will stay OK and keep the e-cat going into LENR mode.

I don't think there is a known method today to harness LENR in a literally continous mode. Neither Andrea Rossi or anybody else
know enough about the nuclear reactions working behind the LENR phenomenon. This has to wait until the nuclear physicists get access
to one of the e-cats.

So if the control units of the e-cats are repeatedly triggering the reactor into LENR mode in short heat pulses, then it should be no problem
to use a serially connected unit of two e-cats to run a steam powered generator that will keep a powerful battery system like those of an
industrial truck lift charged with enough KwH to be able to run the heating sequences of themselves and two additional e-cats.

The energy needed for the continous repeated triggering into LENR mode is only around 17 percent of the generated energy, so it seems to me
quite feasable to turn the e-cats into self sustain mode and get off the grid.

The only reasons Andrea Rossi is incorporating the existing electricity grid into the e-cats is because it combines an attractive price with
a reliable energy source to the control unit. If the control unit fail the nickel powder in the reactor self destruct and ruin the e-cat.

Two e-cats produce 20 KW which is more than enough to make a steam powered engine drive a 12 or 24 volt truck generator, charging a battery system
with enough power to keep four e-cats running.

(When we talk about a minimum of 600 degrees needed to create electricity, we are talking about a continous generation of 110 or 220 Volt AC for direct
domestic use. As you understand, this is not what I am talking about.)

I really can't see why this would not function, but I am open for any wellfounded objections to this idea.

The ball is rolling...


Gwandau

@Gwandau,

We have to separate facts and fiction.
As I have indicated earlier, I believe all the methods (and others) you mention to increase COP are possible over time, but with the present e-cat, the one that Rossi announced, COP is < 10 in continuous mode in my opinion.
If he's controlling the e-cats in his present implementation in self sustaining mode or 'pulsed mode' the guaranteed COP would be much higher.
But let's see what will be delivered.
I've pre-ordered 4 units a while ago, so who knows, maybe by the end of this year we know more.

Quote from: teslaalset on February 11, 2012, 02:45:12 AM
@Gwandau,

We have to separate facts and fiction.
As I have indicated earlier, I believe all the methods (and others) you mention to increase COP are possible over time, but with the present e-cat, the one that Rossi announced, COP is < 10 in continuous mode in my opinion.
If he's controlling the e-cats in his present implementation in self sustaining mode or 'pulsed mode' the guaranteed COP would be much higher.
But let's see what will be delivered.
I've pre-ordered 4 units a while ago, so who knows, maybe by the end of this year we know more.

@teslaalset,

no fiction here.

A 10KW e-cat will convert 7 liters of water into 120 degrees Celsius of steam in one single hour - according to Andrea Rossi this is no fiction.
As I earlier mentioned, this is enough steam power to make a simple steam powered engine drive a 2KW truck generator thus keeping a set of truck lift batteries charged.
Now, According to AR  the energy needed to heat the e-cat into functional mode is 17 percent of 10KW, which is 1,7 KW.

So tapping the 1,7 KW from the e-cat for powering the control unit seems quite feasable.

Are you with me, or is this fiction for you?

I did myself pre-order 4 e-cats early this year, which when delivered will be put to tests like this.

Gwandau

Quote from: Gwandau on February 11, 2012, 02:50:16 PM
@teslaalset,

no fiction here.

A 10KW e-cat will convert 7 liters of water into 120 degrees Celsius of steam in one single hour - according to Andrea Rossi this is no fiction.
As I earlier mentioned, this is enough steam power to make a simple steam powered engine drive a 2KW truck generator thus keeping a set of truck lift batteries charged.
Now, According to AR  the energy needed to heat the e-cat into functional mode is 17 percent of 10KW, which is 1,7 KW.

The numbers are correct, but your assumption this is only required to crank up the process are not confirmed by Rossi.
Maybe you can point me to a link to a quote from Rossi himself where he states this. If you have no such reference, this is only your interpretation against mine. Why would Rossi mention a COP of 6 if there is only 1.7 KWh required for startup if the process after startup can be run for 180 day continuously without additional electricity input? The total heat potential of the NiH cartridge is 45000 KWh.

B.t.w. 10/1.7 = roughly 6.
COP calculation for only the startup is useless and incorrect because the 10 KW heat will only produced right after the startup, so during startup the COP will vary from zero to roughly 6.

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So tapping the 1,7 KW from the e-cat for powering the control unit seems quite feasable.

Are you with me, or is this fiction for you?

Rossi mentioned in almost all his open interviews that electricity generation is not included in present ecats.
If you want 1.7 KW from 10KW, you will need a stirling generator. Solid state conversion from heat to electricity can only be done by using Peltier/Seebeck elements. Those have an efficiency of max 5%, which is insufficient for the numbers you mentioned.

Can I humbly remind you that methods of converting heat to electricity have a low efficiency .  This means that much of the energy that you tried to convert , is wasted as heat . However , this waste heat is not wasted if you make use of it . So you just operate the conversion inside a building , and you get a small amount of electricity and heat the building at the same time . A combined heat and power system . It only becomes a problem in hot weather .