Quote from: chessnyt on February 15, 2012, 10:56:36 PM

@Rosemary:
If you view the video attached to the opening post of this thread, there is actually someone in the video advising another to do just this saying something like, "If you hurry, there's still time for you to sell your Mobil/Exxon shares" (I'm paraphrasing here).

Yes, this is almost going to look so much like mass insider trader.  Exxon/Mobil has got to be thinking "SUCKERS!" to everyone who buys a share at this point.  No wonder they have to keep the majority of the media away from this story.  It's a good thing they own them and even were able to buy them on the cheap 

Talk about a fiery stock crash


Chess

Joking aside Chess.  I've got a small investment lined up for a permanent 'sell'.  I'm just waiting for our petrol prices to start dropping a tad - or, to stop peaking.  That may be the death knell.  Because from there the price will plummet.  At the moment it's artificially inflated and I think they may want to try and make it a viable alternative - and that AT PACE.

Guys, all, I REALLY cannot find a way out of this for our standard energy producers.  Not even our 'green energies' - solar, wind, wave anything at all - are going to get into this picture.  The worst of it is that - if it is this easy to transmute our elements - then the holy grail related to 'gold' from anything at all - is well within reach.   ALCHEMY - with a vengeance.  And what, in God's name - will that do for market stability?  I think we'll all be like Little Chicken Licken - and complain that the Sky has fallen.   Except that it'll be the Market has CRASHED.  It's scarey.  But it's exciting.  Hopefully someone out there is preparing some kind of reasonable transition - from NOTHING to EVERYTHING.  It's potential has no UPWARD LIMIT. 

Kindest as ever,
Rosemary

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on February 15, 2012, 10:44:48 PM
Very nice indeed Gravock.  However not exactly what I asked.  But nonetheless very interesting indeed.  It seems that our high school students could manage this relatively easily.  And that's really important - that we don't get too dependent on our generator suppliers.  It'll keep their costs realistic too.  Which is a good thing.  I'm always concerned that we'll end up relying on another set of expertise that makes it difficult to simply apply this energy as required.  Then we'll become overly dependent on what could also become another kind of monopoly.  What will our poor energy suppliers do - in the face of all this?  If I was a broker - then about now I'd be advising my clients to start off loading standard energy stocks.  LOL

Kindest as ever
Rosemary

The answer I gave was exactly what you asked.  Maybe you were looking for a different answer.  If this was the case, then you didn't ask the right question.  Now, I hope you're not confusing Frank Wilczek with Frank Znidarsic.  Frank Wilczek is a Nobel Prize Winner and he is considered one of the world’s most eminent theoretical physicists. He is known, among other things, for the discovery of asymptotic freedom and the development of quantum chromodynamics (QCD).  QCD is an important part of the Standard Model of particle physics.   He's also an official advisor to CERN and to Daedalus.  According to Wilczek and the standard model, photons inside superconductors are slowed-down and behave as particles with real mass.  This may come as a shocker to some, but Wilczek supports the idea of an Aether.

According to Rossi, LENR exploits the weak nuclear force.  The below quote by Rossi can be found in the New Energy Times magazine.

Quote from: Rossi
ROSSI. Exactly. In fact, mine is not "cold fusion" but weak [force] nuclear reactions. Pons and Fleischmann did heavy-water electrolysis with a palladium cathode and a platinum anode. I don't do electrolysis, I don't use either platinum or palladium and I use temperatures that manage to melt nickel.

Now, what does this have to do with Frank Wilczek, Frank Znidarsic, and the work of Ioannis Xydous?  It has everything to do with it.  Pay close attention Rosemary.  According to Xydous, there is a reduction in the E/M wave's velocity when it enters into an Electrostatic Field. This is in agreement with Wilczek's claims with photons being slowed-down inside a superconductor, and is also in agreement with Znidarsic's work when the speed of light is slowed down in the electronic structure of the atom to match the speed of mechanical waves in the nucleus.  All three are saying light slows down in the presence of an Electric Field.  Let's see what Wilczek has to say about the weak nuclear force, since Rossi is claiming this force as being responsible for the nuclear reactions in his device.

Quote from: Wilczek
The model Nature gives us for making force-carrying particles heavy is superconductivity. For inside superconductors, photons become heavy! Here’s the essential idea. Photons are moving disturbances in electric and magnetic fields. In a superconductor, electrons respond vigorously to electric and magnetic fields. The electrons’ attempt to restore equilibrium is so vigorous that they exert a kind of drag on the fields’ motion. Instead of moving at the usual speed of light, therefore, inside a superconductor photons move more slowly. It’s as if they’ve acquired inertia. When you study the equations, you find that the slowed-down photons inside a superconductor obey the same equations of motion as would particles with real mass.
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Cosmic Superconductivity: Electroweak Layer

The weak interaction is a short-range force. The fields responsible for this force, the W and Z, are similar in many ways to the electromagnetic field. The particles that arise as disturbances in these fields (the W and Z particles) resemble photons. Like photons, they are bosons. Like photons, they respond to chargesâ€"not electric charges to be sure, but what we’ve called green and purple charges, with similar physical properties. Their most obvious difference from photons is that W and Z are heavy particles. (Each weighs about as much as one hundred protons.)

Short-range force. Heavy particles. Sound familiar? It should. Those are exactly the properties of electromagnetic forces and photons inside superconductors. The modern theory of electroweak interactions is heavily invested in the analogy between what happens to photons inside superconductors and the observed properties of W and Z bosons in the cosmos. According to this part of the Core theory, the entity we perceive as empty spaceâ€"the Gridâ€"is a super conductor. Even though the conceptual and mathematical parallels run very deep, Grid superconductivity differs from conventional superconductivity in four main ways:

Occurrence: Conventional superconductivity requires special materials and low temperatures. Even the new “high temperature” superconductors max out at less than 200 Kelvin (room temperature is about 300 Kelvin). Grid superconductivity is everywhere, and has never been observed to break down. Theoretically, it should persist up to about 1016 Kelvin.

Scale: The photon mass inside a conventional superconductor is 10^â€"11 proton masses, or less. The W and Z masses are about 10² proton masses.

What Flows: The super-currents of conventional superconductivity are flows of electric charge. They cause electromagnetic fields to become short range, and photons to acquire mass. The super-currents of Grid superconductivity are correlated flows of much less familiar types of charge: purple weak charge and hypercharge. W and Z fields can be generated by those flows, so the forces that W and Z generate become short-range, and the W and Z particles acquire mass.
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Rosemary, How in the world are you going to absorb all of this without getting it mostly wrong?  Did I answer your question?  Yes, both here and in my previous post.  This post is definitely more in line with the type of answer you were looking for.  Space (Aether) is a multilayered, multicolored superconductor which can be exploited through the weak nuclear force.  Znidarsic's quantum transitional velocity is 1094000 m/s, which is 3.139... times the Aether's linear velocity of 348422.9 m/s. This is so very close to pi = 3.14... The Aether's linear velocity is computed by Ioannis Xydous in his publication titled, "The secret of the Electron-Positron pair v2.0".  E/M waves slow down to 1094000 m/s in the electronic structure of the atom to match the speed of mechanical waves (sound) in the nucleus.  Would you say a strong electrostatic field is a good place to start?  What about a strong oscillating electrostatic field which varies in strength and/or distance to generate a broadband of frequencies. And wouldn't all of the different frequencies generated have a different momentum which would correspond to different energy levels?  In addition to this, wouldn't all of the different energy levels deliver excess energy continuously instead of in short bursts?  And if you can swallow this post, then I'll bring something else to your attention which is related to Xydous's work, which is more related to the catalyst.   On second thought, maybe you should seek this information on your own.

Do you have anything to tell or share which is related to LENR, other than running the page count of this thread up to an extremely high level where people won't bother or take the time out to actually read the entire thread?  Any arguments or misunderstandings you may have about this post will be ignored.  I see at least 50 additional pages to clear up any misunderstandings you may encounter while trying to absorb this information.
   
Gravock

Quote from: Doctor No on February 12, 2012, 08:25:08 AM
7-th:
You should really to start learning math (as bankers only do good).
"A 10KW e-cat will convert 7 liters of water into 120 degrees Celsius of steam in
one single hour - according to Andrea Rossi this is no fiction."
This is only 0.9 kWh of heat power- this is no fiction too.
7 L x 110 (dT) x 4.200=3.234.000 : 3.600.000=0.898333 kWh
(i think i don't need to clear what dT, 4.200, 3.600.000 values are, em i right folks?)
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ALL CLEAR GEANTELMEN?
Dr. Adolf Nowak
NSPAP
http://nspap.livejournal.com

I'm sorry but the above is plain wrong. Water is boiling. Please add some heat of vaporization and correct the math, Dr.

I'm still waiting for your reply on the chemical reaction (6th point in http://www.overunity.com/11404/first-free-energy-device-reaches-market-in-october-the-game-changer-is-here/msg312398/#msg312398) that you implied it might generate such energies.
Do I waste my time or I'm simply not enough of a "semi serious" member here by your standards?

Cheers,
Tinu

Hello again Gravock,

Reading between the lines,... and so many of them.  Golly.  Anyway.  I get the distinct impression that you're not talking about LENR at all - but something about some theory related to ... I have no idea what?  Bores me to tears.  Bear in mind Gravock.  I'm rather OLD and rather slow of thought.  It's a kind of arthritis of the mind.  And, if you don't mind my saying so publicly, I get the distinct impression that you're little irritated?  With me?  Am I right?  Perhaps, in the fullness of time, you'll explain this.  Hopefully not on this thread.  Use your own.  Because I rather suspect you're drifting off topic.     

No idea what to make of the following comments...

Quote from: gravityblock on February 16, 2012, 03:14:36 AM
...Rosemary, How in the world are you going to absorb all of this without getting it mostly wrong?

Why should you suppose that I'd get it wrong?  I don't care enough to get any of it at all.

Quote from: gravityblock on February 16, 2012, 03:14:36 AM...Did I answer your question? Yes, both here and in my previous post.

No actually.  Not in either.  I was interested to see if you yourself knew anything at all about LENR.  It seems not.  You're only going on about someone else?  Never head of him, her?  Them?

Quote from: gravityblock on February 16, 2012, 03:14:36 AMAnd if you can swallow this post, then I'll bring something else to your attention which is related to Xydous's work, which is more related to the catalyst.

Why should I swallow your post?  I'd rather not.  Thank you anyway. And I'm not sure I want to know about Xydous either.  Whoever he is.   

Quote from: gravityblock on February 16, 2012, 03:14:36 AMOn second thought, maybe you should seek this information on your own.

No thanks.  I'll pass, if you don't mind.  I only wanted   to learn more about LENR.  Golly.  I had no idea you'd take it so PERSONALLY?  It's probably best to ignore my first question.  I really shouldn't have asked?  Reckless of me.  I see that now.    LOL

Quote from: gravityblock on February 16, 2012, 03:14:36 AMDo you have anything to tell or share which is related to LENR, other than running the page count of this thread up to an extremely high level where people won't bother or take the time out to actually read the entire thread?

I'm not sure that I'm guilty of this.  Not at all. Actually, I wonder if it's you who's rather moving a little bit off topic - all over the place.   Not sure.  As I explained - I'm rather old.  I just don't have the mental agility to jump around among a whole lot of obscure references.  Better just ignore my first question.  It was JUST SO INNOCENT.      And I get all this?  Golly.

Quote from: gravityblock on February 16, 2012, 03:14:36 AMAny arguments or misunderstandings you may have about this post will be ignored.

On the contrary.  I'm paying close attention.  I just CANNOT understand any of this.  Unless you're saying that you'll my ignore arguments and misunderstandings.  Just as well.  I have no argument.  But I have NO understanding either.

Quote from: gravityblock on February 16, 2012, 03:14:36 AMI see at least 50 additional pages to clear up any misunderstandings you may encounter while trying to absorb this information.

Not unless you want to write those pages.  Again.  I'll pass.  Actually trust me on this.  I'll never ask you a question again.  In future I'll confine myself to STATEMENT. Golly.  And to think that I only wanted to learn more about LENR.  Who'd have thought?   


Kindest regards Gravock, and thanks for the laugh.  I'm always amused at an inappropriate reaction.
Rosie
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@Gravock: Looks like you were exactly right.   

@tinu: It's true that the _output_ water from a Rossi device is or was boiling. But surely you know that to get water to 120 degrees (actually Rossi reported 130 degrees inside the Ottoman ECat) it must be held in a pressurized vessel, and doesn't necessarily need to boil.

At the end of the Rossi demo a tap is opened and a large quantity of water flashing to steam is emitted... for a long time... since there's 30 liters or more of water at 130 degrees acting as a heat reservoir in there. Think of popping the radiator cap on a hot car engine...... All that phase change energy is stored in the hot water, and it's only the release of pressure that allows it to actually change the phase.
But it's available to boil small quantities of feedwater that's being fed through an internal heat exchanger submerged inside the 30 liters of 130 degree liquid, non-boiling pressurized water.
All that's needed to simulate FULLY the phenomena shown by Rossi in the Ottoman ECat demonstration is a ball float valve, a T-connection, an internal heat exchanger, and a vessel capable of holding the 130 degree water.

The empty device is weighed. Then it's hooked up to the pump and the heater power. As the pump squirts in its 2 cc per second, the empty space fills, because the floating ball valve is below the seal, and so the water flows into the container, not out the outlet leg of the T. The water heats up too since the heaters are on. The "demo" hasn't started yet, remember... this is the "warm-up" period, nothing comes out of the ECat's outlet. Then, after however long it takes, the ball valve is up at the top and seals off the pressure vessel, which is hot enough now so that the pressure continues to rise and the ball seals ever tighter. The input water is now passively diverted down the other end of the T and flows into the internal heat exchanger.... which is now at 120-130 C from the electrical input. There's a "lot" of energy stored in that reservoir of 130 degree non-boiling water: nearly all of the "warm-up" energy is there and available to boil the small flow through the heat exchanger. The steam from this boiling is the visible and measured output of the ECat.... but there is still that big reservoir of hot, pressurised non-boiling water inside. For safety, there's probably also a pressure relief valve, venting From the pressure vessel INTO the output line.
Heat after death? No problem. 30 liters of water at 130 degrees, and the metal mass containing it, also at 130 degrees, store enough energy to continue boiling the input water coming from the pump at 2 ml/sec for a long time. I don't know how long..... but I'm trying to talk somebody into calculating it based on my assumptions above.
I think this model accounts for all the features of the Ottoman Ecat demonstration: the before and after weighings, the 130 degree internal temperature, the "quiescence" requiring re-heating of the reservoir water, the "heat after death", and most importantly the gushing of steam/water at the end of the video..... an event whose significance seems to have escaped many observers.

Now open it up, look inside... you see a big empty box with some pipes and a much smaller "reactor" box that looks like a pretty efficient heat exchanger, that you can't look inside.