Quote from: gravityblock on February 18, 2012, 02:11:45 PM
This may not be the best course of action.  I'll be withdrawing from any further participation.  Please don't read too much into my decision to withdraw.  The information on how to successfully build a working LENR device is already in the forums.  With a little research, it can all be brought together.  My sincerest apologies to all.

Good Luck,

Gravock

My dear Gravock,

Why are you apologising?  It was an excellent idea.  I'm rather sorry that we won't be seeing this through as I'm sure we'd all have learned much.  And on my part it's a much required learning curve.  Hopefully it won't stop the experimenting. 

And really well done.  It is always a pleasure to show the actual potential of these forums.  Certainly with your kind of vision and energy.  Absolutely nothing to apologise for.  In fact I get the distinct impression that we've all rather let you down.  Which means that the wrong person is shouldering the 'blame' if such it is.  It has certainly enhanced my own growing respect for your aptitudes, abilities and strength of purpose.  And indeed - for your reach.  We need more of you.  Clones might cut it.

The very kindest regards,
Rosie

Piantelli's LENR patent includes pulse generation as part of the process.
Rossi's patent however does not.

[edit]
Piantelli's device operates at sub bar pressure, while Rossi's process requires 20-30 Bar pressure.
Attached both patent (applications)

Your insights may be very valuable, Gravock

Quote from: teslaalset on February 18, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
If I'am not mistaken, Piantelli's LENR patent includes pulse generation as part of the process.
Rossi's patent however does not.

A photon which is oscillating in and out of an electric field will be continuously decreasing in frequency and momentum until the moment of entropy is reached.  In each successive decrement in the frequency of the photon, then the charges (electrons and/or positrons) will gain acceleration and momentum.  Once both charges obtain the necessary acceleration and momentum they will overcome the coulomb forces, collide and annihilate each other generating excess heat. It's a self-feeding process which requires no additional input once the process is initiated.  This isn't pulse generation.

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on February 18, 2012, 02:50:39 AM
Dick Smith can't just purchase one of the 1 MW units from Rossi, if Rossi won't sell one to him.  Why would Rossi sell him a device which he could back engineer and give to the general public before he has the opportunity to fulfill the orders for the first in line customers?

Yes, Dick could purchase a 1 mw E-Cat but he would have to qualify first as this notice appears on Rossi's site "Orders are accepted from all over the world and require a routine due-diligence process. Customers must comply with several criteria set by Leonardo Corporation in order to qualify for a purchase of a ECAT 1MW plant."

If Dick qualified, you could see Dick buy one at a cost of currently, $1.5 million dollars per unit, out the door.  Delivery time from date of purchase is 3 months (sooner than the home version crowd).  It does come with a money back guarantee in which taking delivery hinges on a successful demonstration in which your own experts (not Rossi's) are satisfied.

So I would like to see Dick run, see Dick buy and see Dick make Rossi demonstrate his purchased 1 mw plant using only Dick's own people (personnel). 

Now Dick is not the only one with millions of dollars willing to play with this technology.  There is a billionaire who has donated $5.5 million dollars to cold fusion research.  And he doesn't even need any proof that it works, first.  This is a well informed man.  Here is the link:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/02/billionaire-sidney-kimmel-to-donate-5-5-to-fund-university-of-missouri-cold-fusion-research/

I'm a builder myself and I'm already deeply entrenched in the biggest build (over $25 thousand dollars along in this build which is nothing to some people) of my entire life.  I must finish what I start first.

Now you suggested starting a thread on building the reactors but later cancelled the idea when you found out there were threads already doing this.  So why not point people to the best thread so the builders among us can start experimenting and report back to the rest of us here?


Chess

Here's a video showing the dual charges in action.  Notice there are two streams.  One stream is made of  negative charges (electrons) while the other stream is made of positive charges (positrons).  The dual charges generate the same current, since they are of opposite charges and moving in opposite directions.  In this video, the two streams appear to combine into one stream in some instances.  They actually remain separated from each other at an extremely small distance by the repulsive coulomb force.  There are both attractive and repulsive coulomb forces at play.  If both charges gain enough acceleration and momentum they will overcome the repulsive coulomb force, collide and annihilate each other while generating excess heat.

Gravock