Magluvin, I suggest to redirect your quest; I mean see the newly opened thread: "TPU Revolution":

http://www.overunity.com/12109/tpu-revolution/msg314407/#msg314407

I see there a potential. This thread earned almost no attention, and I'm almost quite sure why: poor languague, foreign languague as the source; the tries of translations also yield very poor. All of that despite that the source subject is a one which originated at this forum: Otto Sabljaric and his work for TPU replication. My search fruited with astonishing source of knowledge for this subject, which occurs right in this forum's archives. Astonishing not because of quantity, rather because of available results of this work. I found there answers for your quest at Energy Amplification thread where you and some others, including me were losing time in hope to convince Tito to share his secrets. And all this knowledge sits there since the year of 2007 (!!).So, I suggest you to get and see these documents:

1. "Tao's TPU specs"
which presently is on page 7 of the General documents and files of the "Downloads" section of this forum. This is the essence for the understanding how the TPU works. Easy languague of this document makes an impression that it is written for kids who just yesterday learned how to read; despite of this, read at least the first part which I find very essential to understand the TPU; here you find the (easy) solution how to change high voltage into current, without losing the voltage quality.

2. http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/otto/ottos-open-tpu/  and
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/otto/a-pdfs/

This is the whole archive regarding Otto's work. Essential seems to be this work which is one of the items of one of the above given link:

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/otto/a-pdfs/TPU_ECD-V1_0.pdf

but the languague here is not easy: Otto and Ronette as authors, their native languagues are not English and thus lot of some languague errors occur. So, I suggest something else instead: to track Otto's posts from his very first presence on this forum; here his languague seems much easier to understand:

http://www.overunity.com/profile/otto.2747/area/showposts/start/1230/

Using available translators as well as my rather poor knowledge of Russian languague, I was searching the Russian thread suggested at TPU Revolution and I found out that it seems they are not farther in their results now than Otto was five years ago, after I compared the results.

Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2012, 07:08:31 PM
Mags:

As far as I am concerned you are wigging out.  What I said is that if the reed switch is closed when the magnet is near that the coil itself will generate EMF and that will be in series with the battery voltage.  Do you disagree with this?

I also said if the EMF is greater than the battery voltage then you could see the same difference in brightness effect in the LEDs depending on the direction of the rotor.  And apparently you are having a freak-out over this.

So you have battery in series with a coil in series with an LED when the reed switch is closed.  The timing of the closing of the reed switch is different depending on the direction of the rotor.

So with a scope and a piece of graph paper you could construct a timing diagram for how the setup operates for both rotor directions where you show the voltages and the current.  That will explain the difference in brightness of the LED flash.  Is that worth freaking out about?  Jesus.

Screw you with your double-standard where someone might mention something technical and you engage them but if I say something technical you freak out and attack me.  Pull yourself together.

MileHigh

"I also said if the EMF is greater than the battery voltage "  This is what you actually said... "So if the EMF induced by the passing magnets is larger than the battery voltage " Would that be saying that the mag/gen is producing greater emf than the battery while the battery is connected through the reed?  Would that be an OU condition? I find that one hard to be produced here, or in most cases with the best of motor design let alone this, if the battery was the prime mover. the scope shot does not show it either.

Even if the voltage generated "adding" vs subtracting, in order to produce the flash collapse, I cant get the led that dim compared to bright. No frikin way dude.

How close in current drive do you believe the gen is compared to the battery? I know you are talking voltage, why I dunno, but that all changes very rapidly when the switch closes. In fact, the scope shot does not show any added level to the "on" section of the shot. No hump or dip. Just flat. And the reed is closed during the null of generation not peak.   This isnt a well designed, very efficient generator or motor M. You know the difference and the scope shot shows it very clearly. The hump of the gen voltage unloaded is maybe a 3rd of the battery voltage. Never more, or larger as you say it in the quotes above. you did write those quotes didnt you? Or am I being irrational or mistaken?

Now how else am I suppose to interpret this M?  Tell me please.  Or am I still full of it?

Ill do some stuff with the battery after my non battery. I spent too much time on this discussion even though it isnt that much time.

An apple a day

Mags

Mags:

I think a picture is really helpful so I edited a screen cap from the clip.   Below is what I think the proper circuit really is.  Or at least the circuit below will work.

I'll discuss it in the next posting.

So I assume everyone can see the basic function going on in this clip:

If the reed switch closes then the current flows clockwise.  The LED is reverse biased and is off.   When the reed switch opens then the coil will keep the current flowing until all of the magnetic field energy stored in the coil is discharged through the LED.

In other words the current flowing out the top of the coil instantly stops going to the right (direction of the reed switch) and instead is goes to the left (direction of the LED.)  The LED becomes forward biased and lights up.

So the brightness of the flashing LED is proportional to he amount of energy stored in the coil.  And the amount of energy stored in the coil is proportional to the current-squared flowing through the coil.

We know that there are three resistances in the main loop.  There is the 5-ohm resistor, the resistance of the coil, and the internal resistance of the battery.

We know that there are two sources of EMF that want to push current through the main loop, the 1.5-volt battery and the coil.

So in very simple terms the current through the mail loop is equal to: (Battery EMF + Coil EMF)/(5-ohm + R_coil + R_batt)

What determines the EMF produced by the coil?   There are three main contributors:  1) The number of turns in the coil, 2) The strength of the passing magnet, and 3) The angular speed of the passing magnet.

Realistically, the EMF produced by the coil is an unknown.  You know that it produces some kind of AC voltage, but the three parameters above are pretty much unknown.  You can simply scope it and experiment and find out.

One thing you know for sure is that the EMF produced by the coil can either help the battery make the current flow in the "normal" direction, which is clockwise.  But it can also hinder the flow of current and reduce the current flow, or stop it, or even reverse it.

Continued in part two...

Simplified examples:

At a certain point in time the battery voltage is 1.5 volts and the EMF from the coil is 1.0 volts for a total of 2.5 volts pushing current clockwise through the main loop.

At a certain point in time the battery voltage is 1.5 volts and the EMF from the coil is -1.5 volts for a total of 0 volts - hence the current stops flowing.

At a certain point in time the battery voltage is 1.5 volts and the EMF from the coil is -3.5 volts for a total of -2.0 volts pushing current couterclockwise through the main loop - hence the current reverses direction as compared to the "normal" direction.

So you can see that it's possible for the EMF from the coil to overwhelm or "drown out" the EMF from the battery.

From what I understand with no battery in the circuit you see the LEDs flash with different intensities depending on the direction the rotor is turning.  The unbalanced flashing in this case is due to the EMF since there is no battery in the circuit.

Therefore, it's conceivable that with a battery in the circuit where the EMF from the coil is larger than and dominates the battery voltage, that you will still get the unbalanced flashing effect.

Another thing that is interesting is that if the coil is producing EMF that adds to the battery EMF, at a certain point it will switch on the LED.  So the "good" EMF from the coil is actually clamped to the LED (diode) voltage.

If any builders out there find this interesting, the real deal is to use your scope and put a 0.25-ohm current sensing resistor in the loop, and then construct a timing diagram that shows the voltages and the current in the setup.  You can experiment and see how the circuit behaves when the EMF from the battery dominates vs. how the circuit behaves when the EMF from the coil dominates, for both directions of rotation.  So that implies that you can derive four timing diagrams from this one simple circuit.

MileHigh