Chessnyt:

I am talking about going through an entire life taking chemistry and science courses and reading science literature and watching science programs.  In that sense I have never heard about quadrium.

And now I know why I have never heard of quadrium:

Quote⁴H contains one proton and three neutrons in its nucleus. It is a highly unstable isotope of hydrogen. It has been synthesised in the laboratory by bombarding tritium with fast-moving deuterium nuclei.^[4] In this experiment, the tritium nuclei captured neutrons from the fast-moving deuterium nucleus. The presence of the hydrogen-4 was deduced by detecting the emitted protons. Its atomic mass is 4.02781 ± 0.00011.^[5] It decays through neutron emission with a half-life of (1.39 ± 0.10) × 10^âˆ'22 seconds.^[6]

The reason I have never heard about it is because it has never been worth talking about.  It only lasts 10^-22 seconds.  How far can a photon travel in 10^-22 seconds?   Something like 3 x 10^-14 meters!  That's only three ten-thousandths of an angstrom!

What is neutron emission?

QuoteNeutron emission is a type of radioactive decay of atoms containing excess neutrons, in which a neutron is simply ejected from the nucleus.

Oops!  Robert Godes says that a neutron isn't ejected from the nucleus, but instead (like magic perhaps?) it decays into a proton and a beta particle to give you helium and lots of energy.   All this happens in 10^-22 seconds!

So it sounds too good to be true.

Quote"...Brillouin has had two significant independent validations of their scientific model and claims. One of those was by Los Alamos National Laboratories. The other was by Dr. Michael McKubre of Stanford Research International (SRI), who subsequently joined their board of advisors."

Even though the name dropping sounds impressive, I still have to call bullshit.  You know exactly what I mean.  I mean a real, physical demo of the reactor for one month with continuous monitoring by third party independent testers.  Nothing else will do.

MileHigh

Quote from: MileHigh on April 24, 2012, 01:34:35 AM
Chessnyt:

I am talking about going through an entire life taking chemistry and science courses and reading science literature and watching science programs.  In that sense I have never heard about quadrium.

Even though the name dropping sounds impressive, I still have to call bullshit.  You know exactly what I mean.  I mean a real, physical demo of the reactor for one month with continuous monitoring by third party independent testers.  Nothing else will do.

MileHigh

@MileHigh:
Well you march right down to Los Alamos National Laboratories in New Mexico and the Stanford Research International (SRI) and flash them your library card and a note from your mother proving you passed a basic chemistry class and set them straight.  Go get 'em tiger!  Tell these respected credentialed institutions that you're calling bullshit, which is a very scientific term in farming communities by-the-way 

The nerve of those bastards doing INDEPENDANT verifications of science you know MUCH BETTER than they EVER could!  Why the nerve of those credentialed scientists!  Thank you for enlightening us all.  I can now rest better at night knowing you're the top authority in science (much higher than Los Alamos National Laboratories and Stanford Research International (SRI)) who has never even heard of quadrium.  At least you have heard of the scientific phrase of "calling bullshit".  As you have once again proven that ignorance IS bliss.


Chess

Chessnyt:

Quotehe nerve of those bastards doing INDEPENDANT verifications of science

You have to look at these claims with a critical eye and take a conservative approach:

Quotesignificant independent validations of their scientific model and claims

What does that really say?  Does it say they reproduced an experiment and got results?  The answer is no it doesn't.  For all you know they did phone interviews with those two people and spinned an acknowledgement that there may have been something interesting going on into the above.  You will recall that Rossi spinned the fact that he was going to purchase some products from National Instrument into claiming that "he and National Instrument were collaborating together on the project" which was bullshit.

So what I said holds true - independently verifiable testing, nothing less.  How could you possibly be against that because if the claim is true it will advance the cause?

And what I now know is that the only H-4 that has existed on Earth is in atom smashers and it lasts for 10^-22 seconds.  And that's why I have never heard of it, presumably along with a lot of other science-minded people.  I also just did the Google search on quadrium and basically nothing comes up.

You have to start using your critical thinking skills and stop just blindly believing stuff that you want to believe.  Use your wits and your computer to make good decisions.

MileHigh

Chess,

thanks for all your efforts in getting us updated on the LENR movement, and I admire your seemingly endless tolerans
when replying to the poor pessimist MileHigh, who seems unable to get onto the accelerating train of revolutionary events
due to his incapacity to take in what's actually happening all around him.

The sorrowful chap will unfortunately have to wait until his long awaited demand of a third party evaluation gets published,
but then he will have missed all the great moments in these early stages that the rest of us here enjoys.

I don't envy him, you know, for every new report published about new actors on the global scene of successful LENR progress,
poor MileHigh will have to add another scammer to his record, and another scammer, and so on, until almost everybody
are ugly scammers out to fool him and rip him off.

As for myself, I have as for the time being terminated all further communication with him.


Now to some really exciting stuff, namely LENT.

The most intriguing research initiated in the wake of the global LENR progress is LENT.
LENT (Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations) will probably develope into a completely new outlook on nuclear physics.

Among many other actors going into LENT research is Mitsubishi who are looking far beyond palladium, platinum and nickel.

Quoting Mitsubishi from the LENR colloqium at Cern:
“D2 gas permeation through nano-structured Pd multilayer film makes it possible to induce nuclear transmutation
under low pressure and low temperature condition.”

Mitsubishi indicates that there may well be Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations or “LENT” across a much larger part of
the element table that any of us have been thinking so far.


Can you guys imagine what this will mean to mankind?

LENT may be the biggest discovery since the wheel, suddenly giving us the full power to transmute any element
into anything needed, like Mitsubishis suggestion of the transmutation of radioactive materials into harmless elements.

What Enrico Fermi once famously said, “Give me enough neutrons and I shall give you the Entire Periodic Table.” ,
may soon become reality.

Most of this material is found in the article "CERN Has A LENR Colloquium" found at :
http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/03/26/cern-has-a-lenr-colloquium/

Below is an interesting 40-page PDF presentation by Yogendra Srivastava from the University of Perugia.
http://indico.cern.ch/getFile.py/access?resId=1&materialId=slides&confId=177379


And here is more PDF:s from the Cern conference:
http://indico.cern.ch/materialDisplay.py?materialId=slides&confId=177379&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

We are just experiencing the tip of the iceberg in this early stage of the LENR movement.

When the avalanche starts, everybody will know.


Gwandau

Gwandau:

This "sorrowful chap" believes in doing proper due diligence for things that sound too good to be true.

You have also shown your true colours.  First of all I believe that you linked to that "Freeenergytruth" blog, and many people consider that to be a blog that has no credibility.  The guy who runs it was a rabid believer in Steorn and many other suspect "technologies" that were just good old fashioned cons.

In the brand new thread, "MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH BY PHILLIPS - HIGHLY EFFICIENT HYDROGEN PRODUCTION!" people have already debunked it.  Your comments to Tinu include "Are you a troll, or just having not read the Phillips papers?" and "Which side are you on?"

However, the valid technical argument has been made.  The system uses aluminum powder and the fact of the matter is that it takes massive amounts of electrical energy to produce aluminum.  So aluminum itself represents stored chemical energy.  I know that's a hard thing for some people to visualize but it's true.  So there is no breakthrough associated with that hydrogen production system, none.  You apparently don't want to believe that.  That's very telling.

I stand by everything that i have said so far and I am certainly not in ignorant bliss.  Any controversial energy production system has to prove itself in real life and be proved in the field with independent testing.

MileHigh