MileHigh,

On the contrary, this fits perfectly with the Andrea Rossi I have come to know.
Just like everything else in connection with the E-cat, Andrea Rossi have not asked
for any professional help in getting the english version of the application formulated.

This is a very typical expression of his obstinacy, creating the english version himself,
based upon his rather poor english.

Regarding the extreme span of values presented, this again is typical for a person that
by all means wants to keep anyone as far as possible from the secret.

So from my point of view the temperature span described as well as hydrogen pressure
all just reinforces my understanding that Andrea Rossi is extremely afraid to disclose
any information that may lead to the exposure of his secret parameters.

Just as many other inventors have realized , presenting a patent application often equals
an exposure that may actually be counteractive to the progress of production and marketing.

Conclusively, this sounds just as I expect Andrea Rossi to act.


Gwandau

Quote from: MileHigh on June 06, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
I will just repeat that it would be well worth it to read all of the comments in the previously linked article in order to understand other people's opinions.

MileHigh

@MileHigh:
I looked at the comment section of the latest article I posted and here is the newest comment left:

"I think there are some people who have been manipulated by the propaganda and lies spread about Rossi by certain competitors. In particular, one well known personality went out of his way to attack Rossi, and wrote countless stories trying to convince the world that the E-Cat did not work. He wrote articles with titles like, “Ten E-Cat tests and ten failures” and repetitively tried to convince the world that Andrea Rossi was a fraudster, and the E-Cat was a hoax. He dismissed the qualifications and experience of those several scientists who participated in the tests, made statements that were flat out scientifically wrong (such as trying to use input power TWICE), and even got “personal” by posting pictures of Rossi’s home.

Other cynics/skeptics followed his lead, and continued to attack Rossi. They spread lies and misinformation. The propaganda spread far and wide that somehow the tests of the E-Cat were inconclusive, did not determine anything, and showed the E-Cat did not work.

However, the opposite was true. The test proved the E-Cat was producing huge amounts of excess power. Jed Rothwell on the Vortex L site wrote hundreds of essays refuting the lies that were being told, and pointing out how the tests were successful."
Now I'm glad you're paying attention to these comments as you suggested.  It sure helps to see things in a clearer light like the comment above does.  There are very worthy comments posted there


Regards,

Chess

Chess:

There were two comments that I noticed that I thought were particularly interesting.  Here is the first:

Robert Mockan on June 5, 2012 at 3:08 pm        More lead shielding? Indicating more radiation?
10KW to 20KW thermal power from 1.5 gram catalyst?
It is difficult to convey just how small a volume that is. Given the density of nickel, 1.5 grams is about the size of a BB shot pellet. Or a pea.
Apply 10 KW to that volume and it would not just melt, but start to vaporize, in just a few seconds.
The only possible way Rossi could be preventing the catalyst from melting is if it is a thin film applied to a heat conducting fin, like a copper sheet, being cooled on the other side so the temperature does not exceed 600 C. The lead shielding would need to enclose the entire reaction area. Since lead melts at 328 C, that also means the lead must be kept away from the 600 C reaction.
I can see some interesting engineering problems if one wants to minimize the reactor weight. Lead is heavy.

I have always wondered myself about how one would extract 10 kilowatts continuous production of heat from something as small as a thimble.  It is a very complicated engineering problem and I honestly don't get a sense that those individual reactors in the one-megawatt container had any technology to deal with this issue.  If you assume that the reactor is actually the size of a thimble, then you need a very complex control system to extract heat from it because with one hiccup lasting a fraction of a second the nickel powder would melt and the reactor would be dead.

It seemed that there were just regular water hoses connected to individual reactors in an almost casual manner.  Nobody remarked about hearing a high-speed motor and seeing a sophisticated control system for each individual reactor.  It felt like each reactor was like some benign little pod right out of Invasion of the Body Snatchers as they sat on shelves individually wrapped in thermal blankets.

It all just doesn't smell right, but I am willing to wait.

None the less, here is an interesting follow-up comment from someone:

Edwin Crook on June 5, 2012 at 5:02 pm          I suspect that it is not the nickel that gets hot. If the reaction in (or on the surface of) the nickel gives out gamma rays and the some other substance absorbs them, it is the other substance that is getting hot.


So who knows.  If the comment above is true, then all of the people that continuously shout "The device doesn't produce any radiation!" will have red faces.  I would guess that if you were exposed to say 700 watts of gamma radiation flux for 10 seconds you would die.  I must stress it's just a guess.

Of course one of the mysteries is that nobody actually knows the mechanism for the heat extraction from an E-Cat, do they?  You would think that by now Rossi would say how that is being done.  Standard disclaimer, I don't know all of the details in the storyline.

MileHigh

Here is another pair of posts that I also found interesting:

Pekka Janhunen on June 5, 2012 at 5:40 am        I submitted the following to JONP:
“Dear Andrea Rossi,
Can you help: I cannot get the numbers given in Hank Mills’ recent email interview at e-catworld.com to match. The interview describes 90 days (expected) operation at 10 kW with 1.5 grams of nickel. This translates to 34 MeV per nickel atom. This is somewhat more than what can be liberated by turning 62Ni or 64Ni to copper, even if all the nickel would turn to copper. Can you clarify, I suspect that some of these numbers or assumptions are wrong?”

---- Pekka Janhunen on June 6, 2012 at 11:01 am        Now Rossi effectively confirmed at JONP that the produced energy is between 30 and 60 MeV per original nickel atom. Such high energy production only appears possible if there is a catalytic fusion-fission cycle also involved, probably operating between Ni60 and Cu63, that turns protons into He4 without consuming the metal. Maybe that’s why it’s called E-cat.

So what's interesting here is that it would take ALL of the nickel to produce the claimed amount of energy over six months and there will apparently be a shortfall of energy unless there is a secondary fusion-fission reaction taking place?

They never have stated that all of the nickel would be consumed in six months and that's counter-intuitive because I think that most people at this point are assuming that you need mostly nickel powder inside the reaction chamber to "sustain the magic."

I don't know I am just speculating, but one more time, it just doesn't smell right to me.  So I wait.

MileHigh

@Everyone:
To help clear up the fuel consumption issue a little, here's a recent question and answer session (where Rossi answers) that addresses this:
Q: Does it start with the same time of the the “first” ecat or is it more faster to began to work?
A: Faster

Q: Does it uses the same quantity of Ni/H?
A: Less

Q: Do you think it still can work for 6 month with one recharge or the new version “burns” NI/H faster?
A: Yes
(link to full article):
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/05/rossi-reliable-stability-at-600-c-very-close/

Quote from: MileHigh on June 06, 2012, 08:54:59 PM
I would guess that if you were exposed to say 700 watts of gamma radiation flux for 10 seconds you would die.  I must stress it's just a guess.

Rossi has been working in close proximity to these E-Cat units for over two years now and he is not dead.  The scare tactic "it might be producing deadly levels of radiation" is simply an attempt to raise saftey concerns despite the fact that EVERYONE here is fully aware that U.L. would not grant approval for the device to be sold to the public if this were the case.  So come on now.  Nobody's falling for the "I'm buying Chernobyl...oh my gawd!" so give it a rest. 

Really
Chess