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FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

Started by chessnyt, September 16, 2011, 06:57:24 PM

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The new poll  starting 2-4-2012:  LENR technology

a) will soon lead to the end of the fossil fuel era and become the new standard.
b) will compete with fossil fuels for decades to come eventually replacing them.
c) will not only phase out fossil fuels but will also lead to the trials of the current corrupt powers in charge.
d) will lead to all of the above.

MileHigh

Chess:

Those interviews are strange.  They are really and truly low-value questions being posed apparently by people that have very little technical background.  The answers by Rossi are almost always single-word.  It's frustrating to read that stuff.  They are "dumbo" questions that are technically immature.  I know that it's not your "fault" you are just offering the service to the readers of providing them with information.  They are not serious interviews, and that also adds to the aura of something being amiss.

QuoteQ: Does it start with the same time of the the “first” ecat or is it more faster to began to work?
A: Faster

That sounds like a question and answer session between two five-year-olds about how to operate an Easy Bake oven!

For the radiation example, that was just a hypothetical example to make a point, it was not about the E-Cat itself.  You and others have praised the E-Cat over and over and make it sound like it is benign like apple pie.

However, if it really is a device that is radiating a 10 kilowatt flux of deadly Gamma radiation and they use a lead lining to capture the heat - well that's not such a benign device, is it?   Plus the simple fact is that every layer of lead of a certain thickness will reduce the emitted radiation by a certain percentage, and with enough lead it can be made perfectly safe - but it will still be emitting low levels of Gamma radiation.  Not such a pleasant fact in the context of this day and age.   You have a toddler and your wife is pregnant, do you like knowing that there is a very low and safe level of Gamma radiation being emitted by your new home furnace?  I think not.

Again, this is a purely academic discussion for the sake of interest.  I have no idea how any variant of the E-Cat works.  Realistically, from what I understand, allegedly only Rossi (and one must assume an inner circle) knows how an E-Cat works.  Also, I am just talking about the mechanics of the heat production and extraction here.

MileHigh

fuzzytomcat

Howdy members and guests,

Has anyone actually went to the ECAT web site ..... http://ecat.com/     

That was first created in 1994 .... http://whois.domaintools.com/ecat.com

Looked at the "FINE PRINT" in the "TERMS and CONDITIONS" bottom tab ..... http://ecat.com/terms-conditions    :o

"TERMS & CONDITIONS"

ACCEPTANCE OF TERMS
Editing, Deleting and Modification
Accuracy, Completeness and Timeliness of Information  **
LICENSE AND SITE ACCESS
PRODUCT PRICING & DESCRIPTIONS  **
LINKs & FRAMINGS
DISCLAIMERS  *
CORPORATE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS  **
Confidentiality
NON-ASSIGNMENT OF RIGHTS
NON-Waiver  **
Severability of Terms
Entire Agreement
GOVERNING LAW
___________________________________________________________________________________

** - Special Note  ::)

FTC
???


Gwandau

MileHigh,

many people seems to have confused the minor gamma emission detected in the reactor of the e-cat with the main process that produces the actual heat.
This confusion is due to the assumption that the LENR process just is a low energy version of standard fusion physics.
It is not. LENR is not fusion in the traditional context.  It is a lot more to LENR than just a bleak low temperature copy of hot fusion.


Recently in a video interview when asked about whether the E-Cat was a ‘cold fusion’ technology he said,

“we have found traces of fusion because we have found 511 kev gamma rays at the output, which is the emission of a positron and an electron,
and a positron is the product of a proton turning into a neutron, so we have some kind of fusion inside, but I do not think this is the main
energy source.”

"...but I do not think this is the main energy source."  You see, even Andrea Rossi himself does not really know exactly what is going on inside the E-cat.

According to the findings of other LENR researchers there are indications that EM generated resonance effects within the crystal lattice of the nickel
are creating an interaction with hydrogen not yet fully explained, and contrary to the standard model fusion, the energy types of radiation emitted
during the E-cat LENR reaction seems to be composed of several different levels of energy emitted even prior to the absorbtion of the reactor walls and lead shielding.
So as far as I understand it, the gamma ray emission is only a minor secondary effect in the exoterm reaction of the e-cat.

Everything concerning LENR indicates this is new ground being entered, old school will have to add a totally new and novel area of knowledge into the nuclear model.


Arthur C. Clark describes the situation of the confrontation between the old and the new very well:

"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that
something is possible he is almost certainly right.
When he states that something is impossible he is very
probably wrong" [Clark's First Law]


As I have emphasized before, Andrea Rossi is extremely careful not to expose anything that might lead to an conclusion of what is going on within the reactor.
He is doing this by leaving out vital information to such a degree that it unfortunately keeps encouraging the sceptics as well as undermines
his possibilities to get an international patent.  That is the price he has to pay to keep the secret.


Gwandau

chessnyt

@Everyone:
Another very interesting article regarding the future repercussions of the current media blackout concerning LENR technology (as well as the E-Cat making it to market) was published yesterday.  The author draws very similar conclusions as the ones I posted earlier in this thread.  Here's some excerpts:
"As these various milestones have emerged, in some ways resembling a drama of the century, we at PES Network, and many others in the alternative media, have been right there to cover them for the alternative community who knows better than to expect the mainstream media to be keyed into things of such significance that would make their paymasters obsolete.

The longer you wait to weigh in on this, the more irrelevant you are going to prove yourself to be when the population at large finally gets wind of these developments and realizes that the mainstream media are total sell-outs to the powers that be. Don't wonder why people are turning to alternative media. It's no mystery to me. I benefit from their defection. Their traffic is what helps me stay in business."
-- Sterling Allan

Here's the link:
http://pesn.com/2012/06/06/9602103_Why_doesnt_Utah_media_cover_latest_cold_fusion_developments/

The article is actually a copy of a letter sent to journalists working in the state of Utah. 

Just as I also predicted earlier, the mainstream media is getting ready for its ride around the rim of the drain hole.   After all, it's not terribly difficult to decide which is more practical.  The partial truth in carefully edited releases or the entire truth.  You be the judges of which is more desireable.

Regards,

Chess

cheappower2012

@Milehigh,you need to ask this question,is there a scientific
examination of heating effects of gamma radiation on lead.Theres  a lot of information
on shielding of gamma radiation by lead,calculations of how thick a sheet of lead to block a given amount of
gamma radiation
but no mention of heating effects at all,that's very strange.I have done a long search in this area
and have found nothing relating to heating effects of lead due to gamma radiation.The e-cat heats water
  thru the alleged absorption of gamma rays from the nickel reaction by the lead shield into heat, this came from Rossi,this is at the core of how the E-cat transfers heat.If the heating of lead by gamma rays does not occur then Rossi is a liar,its a con in my book anyway,too many bad things about this guy.