Quote from: Gwandau on June 10, 2012, 10:07:59 PM

Gravityblock,

I agree, if aerogels doped with nickel did exist, that would certainly be a plausible future material for e-cats and their successors.

When using aerogels as gamma ray absorbers, the ability to absorb still is related to thickness:

"Gamma-ray shielding materials should be of high density and high atomic number so that they have
a high total linear attenuation coefficient and a high photoelectric absorption probability."


Gwandau

Gwandau,

The lead in the e-Cat isn't being heated up from the absorption of gamma rays.  I'm very surprised you got caught up in this ridiculous debate, especially since you made a previous posting to the W-L Theory.  The lead in the e-Cat is being heated up from the absorption of photons in the infrared region.  Below is a quote on how the Widom-Larsen Theory explains Low Energy Nuclear Reactions & why they are safe and green.  We don't need a thick layer of shielding material!

Gravock

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The W-L theory also explains why hard gamma and X-rays are not released during LENR system operation [8]. This arises from unique heavy-mass electrons created by the very strong nanoscale electric fields that occur in regions above localized patches of collectively oscillating protons and deuterons where neutron production and absorption are taking place. Unlike isolated normal-mass electrons situated in a vacuum or a hot plasma, heavy-mass electrons created in condensed matter LENR systems can directly absorb a hard gamma or X-ray photon, “ring like a bell” for an infinitesimal fraction of a second, then (according to conservation of energy) re-radiate a much larger number of much less energetic photons (mostly in the infrared region, with a much smaller ‘tail’ of soft X-ray photons).

In operating LENR systems, therefore, hard gamma ray photons in an energy range between 0.5 MeV and 10.0 MeV (often created during absorption of ULM neutrons by some, but not all, atoms/isotopes) are locally absorbed by heavy-mass electrons before they can escape [8]. Those electrons then convert the absorbed gammas directly into raw heat in the form of benign infrared photons that are also locally absorbed. LENR systems have what amounts to built-in gamma shielding during operation, a remarkable property by any standard.

A gamma-absorbing ‘patch layer’ of heavy-mass electrons in an LENR system has the ability to stop a very dangerous (~5 MeV) gamma ray in less than two nanometres. Whereas it would take ~10 cm of lead, ~25 cm of steel, or ~1 metre of very heavy concrete to accomplish the same degree of protection against ‘hard’ gamma radiation [9].

Gravityblock,

I'm covering the possibilities of applying old fasion high energy gamma emission theory to the e-cat process,
since I found MileHigh's idea of a melted lead system cirkulating the reactor core very interesting.

But if the reactor core actually needs a 10 cm layer of lead to absorb all high energy gamma emission, as it says in in your quote, the reaction
seems hard to explain by the standard model, since none of the e-cat reactors shown by Andrea Rossi are close to 20 cm in diameter.

So in that case we are back to the Widom-Larsen Theory, which still has to be validated and verified by orthodox nuclear science.
To be honest I have to agree that the idea of heavy mass electrons involved in a built in gamma shielding effected during operation sounds genial,
and of course I would prefer this to be the answer, since it also implies a well of new possibilities opening up for nuclear science.

I just want to be open for all alternatives.

Gwandau

Chess:

Quoting you from Rosemary's new forum:

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P.S. TK certainly is one of the chief propagandists followed by fuzzytomcat and MileHigh.  These three all fit the paid disinformation agent profile to a tee.  They are all obvious plants.

Will you stop this ridiculous nonsense?  I mean really, WTF???

You know if anything, readers of this forum can decide for themselves.  They can easily look at you and decide that you are a paid shill and you are paid by Rossi.

From Wikipedia:

QuoteA shill, plant, or stooge is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that he has a close relationship with that person or organization. Shill typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that he is an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom he is secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by professional marketing campaigns.

I can tell you for sure that you look way more like a paid shill than I look like a paid disinformant.  Your job is to excite clueless and gullible people and get them to get on Rossi's mailing list.  That mailing list itself will have value and can be sold.  But the real "pop" will be when Rossi asks all serious buyers to give him a 50% cash advance on their orders in order to prioritize them in the "real queue."  Then you will get your cut, right Chess?

The truth is that I don't think that you are a shill.  I think that you are a rabid supporter of Rossi which is fine by me.  You can't argue the technical merits or lack thereof of the alleged technology as shown by your own statements.

So, feel free to support Rossi all the way while only having a vague concept in your mind of how it might work.  I will be free to state my thoughts and I have a slightly less vague concept of how it might work.

But stop alleging that I am a paid disinformant.  I am sick of it and it is pure bullshit.

MileHigh

Quote from: MileHigh on June 11, 2012, 12:02:09 PM
You know if anything, readers of this forum can decide for themselves.  They can easily look at you and decide that you are a paid shill and you are paid by Rossi.

I can tell you for sure that you look way more like a paid shill than I look like a paid disinformant.  Your job is to excite clueless and gullible people and get them to get on Rossi's mailing list.  That mailing list itself will have value and can be sold.  But the real "pop" will be when Rossi asks all serious buyers to give him a 50% cash advance on their orders in order to prioritize them in the "real queue."  Then you will get your cut, right Chess?

@MileHigh:
When I first read the above quotation, I nearly laughed myself right onto the floor, literally.  And the only possible way you could understand why is if I laid a few more of my cards on the table.  So here's the punchline.

I am Rossi's worst nightmare.  I am working on a technology, that if proven successful, will completely and utterly ruin Andrea Rossi and leave his E-Cat in a sad state of obscurity. 

Why would I say something as bold as this?  Because even though my technology requires a fuel source as well, the fuel is by far less expensive than nickel and there is no need for lead shielding or even a 1 hour "warm up" period.  It also adapts to existing infrastructure much more easily than does the E-Cat.

So Rossi beating me to market is really not a big deal to me at all, but I would be (for obvious reasons just stated above) the last person Rossi would want to be involved with in any way shape or form business wise.  After all, I am the future competition which makes us rivals in the end. 

Now having said all of that; if I were getting paid or even working for Rossi in secret with the hopes of getting paid later on, don't you think I would be just a little better versed in precisely how Rossi's device works?  My technical responses would simply become Rossi's own words and concepts. Rossi could use me to personally counter even the toughest of technical questions with technical knowledge far beyond that of my own.  But my obvious lack of expertise in this area is rather self evident.

Quote from: MileHigh on June 11, 2012, 12:02:09 PM
The truth is that I don't think that you are a shill.

I think that you are a rabid supporter of Rossi which is fine by me.  You can't argue the technical merits or lack thereof of the alleged technology as shown by your own statements.

I don't think that this is any great secret.  It is obvious by the way I pretty much STAY OUT of the highly technical discussions and deep theory debates.  If I don't know enough in my own opinion about certain things, I will not try to BS my way through.  This just isn't me.  This is when I stay silent and open up my mind to learn new things.  I try to make the best of every situation because I realize profoundly that when I do not get what I really want, I at least gain an education as a consolation.

Quote from: MileHigh on June 11, 2012, 12:02:09 PM
So, feel free to support Rossi all the way while only having a vague concept in your mind of how it might work.  I will be free to state my thoughts and I have a slightly less vague concept of how it might work.

But stop alleging that I am a paid disinformant.  I am sick of it and it is pure bullshit.

Having an opinion that is contrary to mine, Rossi's or even other people here in this thread is TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE and appropriate.  However, if this opposite opinion carries any weight or merit on its own, then there would be no need to include false information or misleading material along with your opposing argument.  As I have stated a long, long time ago, false information is what is used to sell baseless and empty arguments (be they for false flag wars or otherwise).  This is why propaganda has become such a giant tool wielded by governments more times than swords.       

If you can be man enough to admit that at least one of your statements have been less than factual, then I will stop stating my opinion referring to you as one who fits the profile of a disinformation agent.


Sincerely,

Chess Knight

Quote from: Loner on June 11, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
I wanted to thank you for the correction of my views.  Unfortunately, it just makes it worse for me as now there are too many possibilities for me to decide which way to theorize.  Solid lead as a transfer to molten lead for a transfer is a nice concept, but I just can't accept that kind of leap in a same-sized box.   Having worked on wave solder machines and being aware of certain requirements for pumping the lead just makes it a little too far out for me, though not impossible.  I even lean away from the original setup being just solid lead, as transfer would be tough, but then again, A.R. had difficulties and maybe that's why.

So really, the only thing I can state for fact is, "I don't know enough.".

I like the idea of heavy-electron transfer, although I would define it differently.  This seems more along the lines of what I would expect, though I have no good reason for such beliefs that I can admit to.  At this point, I'm just gonna lurk and see.

I still believe that direct dissipation into the water will make a nice solution...  Useless for other transfers, however, and Field bias for direct electrical generation might end up out first.  As I said, I'll Lurk and See.

I agree, the idea of heavy-mass electron transfer should be defined differently (maybe high electron density transfer?).  Personally, I like the concept of photons gaining mass (photonic mass) with a loss in velocity and momentum in an electric field, as they do in superconductors.  Photons gaining mass and decreasing in velocity is supported by the standard model, by Frank Wilczek (a nobel prize winner), by Frank Znidarsic, by Ioannis Xydous (His paper has now been published in the Journal of Nuclear Physics), along with many others.

Below is an image of a C₆₀ fullerene showing the ground state electron density.  Wave-particle duality applies to molecules such as fullerenes. An important factor in the e-Cat is the dissociation of molecular hydrogen to atomic hydrogen.  This can be done with an energy gain on fullerenes.

Gravock