Quote from: Loner on June 27, 2012, 04:30:23 AM
Chess, I hope you realize that THIS type of response is the expected outcome.  (I Mean, Come ON!!)

To put it simply, why would the most powerful people on the planet allow something that would destroy their power base to ever be released.  This is just a dose of reality for any who don't truly have a grasp on the type of people that exist in the real world. 

@Loner:
I expected a little more from the UK government as their economy is in dire need of a boost and this would be the shot in the arm that would not only lead to higher employment rates, but also wider profit margins for their corporate class as the cost of doing business will dramatically drop due to considerably lower energy costs (shrinking overhead).

In contrast to the UK dictatorship, the U.S. government has a much friendlier reception for LENR technology in spite of the fact that the largest oil cartels in the world reside here.  Here's the U.S. government press release:

"Al Opdenaker [from The U.S. Department of Energy] was asked to give a statement on the position the department had on Low energy nuclear reaction and its recent developments. In an e-mail Opdenaker admitted that he had only learned of Rossi’s e-cat patent and device a couple of months ago and went on the endeavor to learn about this cold fusion device.

He is confident that a lot of progress has been made in the field of LENR since 2004 and belies that updated DOE reviews might produce a different output.  He insists to only speak about himself when he admitted to have been in the dark about the recent and rapid cold fusion developments produced by Andrea Rossi and other Inventors and Physicists as well.  It was only when Opdenaker personally spoke to Dr. Dennis Bushnell a Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who explained to him that more than 100 Low energy nuclear reaction experiments had been conducted that confirmed that LENR was no longer a mere theory. Bushnell confirmed that now much greater energy could be generated through LENR than through conventional chemical reactions creating it radiation only on nano-scale, but he also explained that the process was beta decay rather than fusion in any way as the e-cat patent claimed.

Opdenaker waved this argument off saying that he personally did not care what this process was called as long as it yielded results and it worked. He voiced his confidence in the effectiveness and productivity of Rossi’s e-cat patent and suggested that the involvement of the DOE was unnecessary."

So you can see that this is clearly NOT the expected response from a super power.  There's quite a contrast between these two conflicting positions. 

I really feel sorry for the UK citizens who are going to have to play catch-up later on when it is allowed by their dictators.  Hopefully, they will be able to catch up if they haven't already gone down the sink hole by then.  They will definitely be at an economic disadvantage having to compete in the market place with their government's mandatory energy policy dictated to them leading to steep overheads that will make anything they produce cost prohibitive.  Maybe their citizens will have to form a revolution like we had to do against this same dictatorship in the 1700's.


Best Regards,

Chess

Quote from: Loner on June 27, 2012, 04:30:23 AM
Chess, I hope you realize that THIS type of response is the expected outcome.  (I Mean, Come ON!!)

To put it simply, why would the most powerful people on the planet allow something that would destroy their power base to ever be released.  This is just a dose of reality for any who don't truly have a grasp on the type of people that exist in the real world.  It makes me very sad.  OK, I'll admit I'm biased in the "Been There, Done That" way, but I still don't see it happening, yet.  I wish AR all the luck in the world.  He will need it.

I'm keeping this short, so I deleted the rest, but I hope these words awaken at least one person.

Very well said Loner.   

My concern here - notwithstanding Opdenaker's interest - is that we leave the authority to comment - ENTIRELY - to any department of energy.  I think the true revolution will happen when more of those of you experimentalists - ON THE GROUND - start showing the ease with which this effect can be managed.  Surely?  Then who will be able to gainsay anything at all?

In any event.  Roll on Rossi's E-cats.  Does anyone know if his first products are still on line for September?

Regards
Rosemary

Quote from: chessnyt on June 24, 2012, 03:04:52 PM
@Sparks:
What's the big deal?  Oh, well I suppose...it is...EVERYTHING!  This "converter" (Rossi's E-Cat and other advanced LENR devices) changes absolutely everything and not just politically speaking.  Here's a few things that makes this a BIG DEAL:

o   It changes our fuel suppliers and this is a VERY BIG DEAL.
o   It changes our utilities industries.
o   It changes our pollution problem.
o   It changes the stock market values.
o   It changes our dependence on foreign oil.
o   It bankrupts or severely destroys nations that currently export oil as their number one export (Consider mainly looking at the middle East and Persian Gulf regions).
o   It changes the transportation industry.
o   It changes the cost of living used in C.O.L.A. analysis.
o   It changes all company's costs to produce goods and provide services making them more affordable.
o   It opens up a slew of new jobs and employment opportunities not only producing the technology, but also retrofitting the existing technologies worldwide as well.
o   It decreases the motive for waging wars based on coveting other nation's resources to the point of murder and plunder.
o   It decreases the amount of money received by corrupt political officials thus leading to the repealing of corrupt legislation in which only the corrupt have benefited from in the past.
o   It provides the means and opportunity for the masses to finally (or once again) become self reliant if they so desire to.
o   It wipes out a huge tax base that corrupt governments have misused as a secondary tax system to generate addition revenues (gas taxes tacked onto fuel prices at the pump).

So as you can see, this "fusion process" really doesn't change much 


Regards,

Chess

Dear Chess,

This is VERY WELL SCHEDULED.  Well done indeed. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

@Loner:
I completely agree with your statement "If the MOST important device that man has publicly released is NOT considered important enough for DOE involvement, then what would it take for them to BE involved.".  After all, the word energy is included in their very title and what priority could be above abundant, clean and affordable energy? It would be like the telephone company telling customers that problems with their telephone lines were not their problem.

Having said that, the point I was trying to make is AT LEAST a top official from that government department IS NOT saying that the technology is bogus as was the case with the UK's version of The Department of Energy.  Instead, the U.S. DOE official is wisely listening and heeding the endorsement of a leading scientist at NASA.  The UK government official, however, is obviously denouncing LENR technology and trying to hide behind obscure quotations as an excuse to dismiss the whole technological discovery or any further investigation into its validity.


Regards,

Chess

I would suggest that the ECAT is a device that is one of a long list of alternative energy devices that exploits zero-point. As far back as 1947 modern scientists verified and defined zeropoint. Basically this is when two forms of matter are caused to reside within the wavelength of the vacuum fluctuations. The casimer force arises. Protons that fuse do so because of zero-point. Gluons are vacuum fluctuation particles if you need to resort to particle theory. Since two quantom particles can not reside in the same state at the same place the protons fuse. They want to overlap in space but can not due to the Pauli exclusion principal so they become fused by converting their mass into radiant energy of various wavelengths, at a quantitative level established by Einsteins e=mc2 equation. ( Einstein had it backwards. Mass does not warp space-space warps mass but his conversion equation works anyway using the speed of light in a vacuum constraint) Matter caused to create a spacial seperation less than that found in the seperation of an electron smear in a 1sorbital begins to experience the casimir force. The vacuum wavelength can be altered by stressing it electrically to increase it's effective wavelength which results in gluon expansion. The subsequent collapse of the stressing field accelerates the matter as the gluon "net" returns to normal. Fusion then occurs and the "overlap" mass is converted. The common denominator in all these devices including those exploiting cavitation fusion-metallic crystal stimulation (ECAT)- piezo electric effects-magnetically self pinching plasma-
colomb explosions-plasma arc fusion- are all examples of "gluon netting".