Crazycut06:

The same principles apply.  Even if you see what appears to be an increase in efficiency, if you measure the power being provided to the motor and the output power from the generator coils going to the battery bank, the power going to the motor is always greater than the output power from the generator coils.

That YouTube page and associated web site appear to be set up by some guy out of his home.  I checked out his house.  He makes a few slick videos and has a nice friendly sounding voice.  Then he crosses his fingers and waits for the orders to start coming in.

Hacking into a real electric motor to make a "rotoverter" might be interesting for want of one thing.  Have you ever seen any performance graphs for the original unmodified electric motor compared to the performance graphs for the modified "rotoverter."  Things like electrical input power vs. mechanical output power?   As you increase the mechanical load on the motor the RPMs will tend to drop and at each instance the mechanical output power will be the RPM x the torque.

Without those comparative performance curves for an unmodified motor vs. the same motor modified to become a "rotoverter" we don't have much to go on.  And yes, I understand that a "rotoverter" outputs a current spike.  You can measure that too and include it in the data.

MileHigh

Quote from: crazycut06 on July 21, 2012, 09:02:01 AM
Hi Guys,
How about this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZDBtFLotbg&feature=player_detailpage

I am afraid I have to agree with MileHigh.
I have been playing a lot with rotoverters. In fact I have a pair of the very same motor (Baldor E-Series) so I do know the effect.
It is fairly normal for a rotoverter to lower current draw with load if you have tuned it first. I have a battery of capacitors and can find an even more pronounced drop for a particular load. The problem is that the current will go back up if the load changes in any way.

As far as the dual battery approach is concerned, I do not see higher charging battery voltage as overunity. A while back I've produced a dual battery push-pull inverter (a Ossie Callanan flavour) which works (with a 220VAC 15 W load) for nearly 2 days on a pair of freshly charged 12V 7Ah batteries. On one hand it seems like an overunity setup with higher charging voltages but I can assure you that, sadly, it is not.

Quote from: crazycut06 on July 21, 2012, 09:02:01 AM
Hi Guys,
How about this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZDBtFLotbg&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B750RHM9hTc&feature=plcp has same effect and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9bCAMWetL8&feature=plcp has explanation.

So who will be first to figure out formula on Lenz force timing???  Then we can go straight to the point with correct frequency

T-1000:

I doubt that my comments will resonate with you because you dismissed them once before but here goes.

Thane called the first clip, "PART 1 "Thane Heins" ReGenX Generator Replication by Independent Dutch Engineer."  That guy is not an engineer, he is a beginning experimenter.

I already stated that there is nothing of merit in the first clip, you can see my earlier comments.  Note that he is using a pulse-width-modulator to simulate a sine wave to drive the motor.  That's actually a nightmare if you want to make some measurements on the motor itself, which he does in some other clips.

The second clip is completely wrong.  He discusses the time constant for energizing a coil which is L/R.  That has nothing to do with using a coil in a generator configuration.   When a magnet passes a coil as in a generator, what you have is EMF induced in the coil and that drives the load, which consists of the coil resistance and the load resistance.  In this case Lenz drag acts at the speed of light because magnetic fields interact at the speed of light.

Any serious attempt at explaining any observed generator effects would require the development of a timing diagram.

QuoteThen we can go straight to the point with correct frequency

There is no such thing as a "correct frequency," I can feel you wishing that was true.  The faster the rotor magnets pass the generator coils the higher the EMF generated in the coils and the higher the power transferred into the load and the higher the Lenz drag.  That's simply the way it works.  There are no "timing tricks" or special formulas for the "correct" frequency.

MileHigh

Quote from: MileHigh on July 21, 2012, 08:55:36 PM
T-1000:

I doubt that my comments will resonate with you because you dismissed them once before but here goes.

Thane called the first clip, "PART 1 "Thane Heins" ReGenX Generator Replication by Independent Dutch Engineer."  That guy is not an engineer, he is a beginning experimenter.

I already stated that there is nothing of merit in the first clip, you can see my earlier comments.  Note that he is using a pulse-width-modulator to simulate a sine wave to drive the motor.  That's actually a nightmare if you want to make some measurements on the motor itself, which he does in some other clips.

The second clip is completely wrong.  He discusses the time constant for energizing a coil which is L/R.  That has nothing to do with using a coil in a generator configuration.   When a magnet passes a coil as in a generator, what you have is EMF induced in the coil and that drives the load, which consists of the coil resistance and the load resistance.  In this case Lenz drag acts at the speed of light because magnetic fields interact at the speed of light.

Any serious attempt at explaining any observed generator effects would require the development of a timing diagram.

There is no such thing as a "correct frequency," I can feel you wishing that was true.  The faster the rotor magnets pass the generator coils the higher the EMF generated in the coils and the higher the power transferred into the load and the higher the Lenz drag.  That's simply the way it works.  There are no "timing tricks" or special formulas for the "correct" frequency.

MileHigh

" In this case Lenz drag acts at the speed of light because magnetic fields interact at the speed of light."

Thumbs up, agreed.  If you are going to have an affect, you have to be quicker than the speed of light.