Quote from: MileHigh on July 21, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
Here is my challenge to you and the other believers:  Stop beating around the bush and ask Wayne what the output of the system is and exactly how he is measuring it.  He won't answer me ...

MH, I've tried several times to help you to understand what is happening right in front of you.  I really wanted that for you.  I believe you deserve it.

It is very clear to me:  Your statement that, "He won't answer me..." is just false.  He has answered the question you ask in the patent and in multiple posts.  He has not addressed those answers to you because you ask AGAIN after he has explained that portion of his presentation several times before.  Therefore answers to your questions only cause our progress to backtrack significantly.  If you would only read and digest the entirety of this thread you would be "up to speed" and able to stop asking insulting questions.

I have hoped time and time again that you would get on board by at LEAST reading the patent and the rest of the thread.  That is the LEAST you should do before commenting?  But I doubt that you are going to do so and will again proclaim "Bullshit!"

I do not wish to leave you behind on this.  I really hope you would do us (and yourself) the courtesy of reading the entire presentation. 

The presentation was interesting enough for me to start running the numbers.  The numbers is what solidified my interest.

Please stop harping about Mr. Wayne owing anyone the "MileHigh" required explanation of anything.  That is just your Ego.  It is not a requirement for anything else than satisfying your Id.

You will not even read Mr. Wayne's methods of explanation.  Yet you mock him for not conforming to yours?  Really?

Be a "baiter" and be ignored or join our genuine search for understanding and truth, wherever that may lead?

M.

Mondrasek:

Asking about the power output of the device is not an "insulting" question.  Nor am I going to read through the entire thread and the patent.

Just pretend I am a newcomer to this thread for the sake of argument.

I come into the thread and I have the following three questions:

How much power is output by the device?
In what form is the output power?
How is the output power measured?

I honestly doubt those three questions have been answered in this thread.  Now, in saying that, you put your ego in check and please do me the courtesy of answering those three questions.  If you can't answer them then just be honest and state that you can't answer them.  If that's the case, you personally should direct those three questions to Wayne yourself.

So, I am asking to forget about all of the attitude issues and all of the ego issues.  Saying, "You're not nice so I won't answer your questions" is something that you should hear in an elementary school schoolyard and not in this forum where we are supposed to be adults exchanging ideas and information.

So can you do me the courtesy of answering those three questions?

Just take the position that the device is a "black box" and I, as an imaginary newcomer to the thread would like for my three questions to be answered.  I don't want to be directed to "read the whole thread and read the patent" to find the answers.  I am just asking about the output from the device.

MileHigh

Quote from: MileHigh on July 21, 2012, 04:02:47 PM
Asking about the power output of the device is not an "insulting" question.

Asking it repeatedly when it has been disclosed repeatedly and you REFUSE to read those replies is not "insulting," I agree.  Maybe embarrassing is a better term?

Quote from: MileHigh on July 21, 2012, 04:02:47 PM
Nor am I going to read through the entire thread and the patent.

Thank you for making my point!  You are willfully ignorant on this subject.  WILLFULLY.

MH, I'm done.  You win.  I give up.  Sorry I tried.

M.

Mondrasek:

There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about the operation of the device.  I am not WILLFULLY ignorant either.  You can't force me to learn about this stuff and I never expressed a desire to learn about this stuff.  You are putting forth a false proposition.

You go shopping for a car and you ask the car salesman what the power output of the car is... Does the salesman tell you to go learn about combustion engines and transmissions and differentials and different fuel mixtures?  Get real.

My conclusion is that you can't answer those three simple questions.  So you have to do a song and dance routine and try to make me look like the "bad guy" again.

I will ask you one last time to answer my three simple questions and to respect the fact that I don't have to understand exactly how the device works just like I don't have to understand exactly how a car works.

I just want my three simple questions answered with no ego, no attitude, no preconditions, and no requirement to learn about the technology.

How much power is output by the device?
In what form is the output power?
How is the output power measured?

MileHigh

Mondrasek .. lol, I live on another small pacific island now [no, not Australia] & yes we do have internet - however, I regularly spend long periods away from my computer as I will be doing again soon.

Whilst I sympathize with MileHigh's requirements to have clear Output answers I also trust in the abilities & cool head of people such as yourself & Larry C - so, in short, I too as a newcomer to this thread don't have to wade thru the detail that you have already assessed but can rely on your summary facts.

I believe in the process - that is, that Mr Wayne is confident that he has found something extra-ordinary - that you & others will winnow out the detail by an exchange with Mr Wayne until all relevant data is in - that process may or may not reveal weaknesses in the argument presented [for which Mr Wayne may already have 'work arounds'], or you may find a "show stopper" - I believe that MileHigh is simply trying to get to the end game where we all will eventually end up.

As I said before if all pans out as Mr Wayne predicts then your time will not be taken up in understanding design & crunching numbers, but in identifying where the extra energy is coming from - and that may be a far harder task.

In the mean time I read with interest Mr Wayne's comments & appreciate his sharing of his research & hope he continues to do so - Mark D has asked some searching questions no doubt [this might be uncomfortable], so we wait for further information to substantiate claims of an extra-ordinary nature.

With this device I'd definitely like there to be no "show stopper" in waiting, so it's not surprising that emotions can run high at times, because not all information is available to all parties at the same time, as yet - Mr Wayne is doing a good job in keeping his cool head & character & not emotionally imploding with a few harder questions.