QuoteMy lift load or force input on these basic test was 2.5 fl o over 6.5 inches to lift 1.5 lbs with .5 of those left on the risers.

I am fairly good at puzzles but I am having trouble figuring this out.

2.5 fl o      Does this mean "fluidounces"? The fluidounce is a VOLUME measurement, not a force.


2.5 fl o over 6.5 inches to lift 1.5 lbs with .5 of those left on the risers      Huh?   .5 of those What? Inches, pounds? Left on the risers?

Webby, you are better at building than you are at explaining!!


Here's an example of what I'd consider a good answer:

"I press down with a steady force of 2.5 ounces, measured by the compression of a calibrated spring. I exert this force for 6.5 inches. The riser lifts a weight  of 5 ounces sitting on top of it a distance of twelve inches in response."

I think that Seamus10n and MH and me and some others would like to see answers in that kind of form.

To All,
It is easy to loose track with all the 'Stink bags" being thrown - please just use your Moderator Report button.

Wayne

@TK.I am sure we would all like to see Data expressed in that form. There are two ways in which we can see that data .
1. Build your own test rig and measure it in your own way.
2. Wait until Webby has perfected his test rig to the point where he can make those measurements.
     My own build can not start yet until I have had eye surgery so I can see what I am doing.

Hello Tinsikoala,

I think that is a good question you ask.


I will give this to you in steps, you do your part - I will do mine.

Currently we are stroking 6 total inches in a stroke - and capturing 30 cubic inches of pressurized hydraulic fluid @ 640 psi
We stroke 3.7 times a minute.

Tin - Please place a Energy value of your preference to that and then I will step you through the input costs.

Thanks Wayne
 

Quote from: mrwayne on August 10, 2012, 06:11:36 AM
Hello Tinsikoala,

I think that is a good question you ask.


I will give this to you in steps, you do your part - I will do mine.

Currently we are stroking 6 total inches in a stroke - and capturing 30 cubic inches of pressurized hydraulic fluid @ 640 psi
We stroke 3.7 times a minute.

Tin - Please place a Energy value of your preference to that and then I will step you through the input costs.

Thanks Wayne

Thanks for your response... but... no.

You are the one making a claim, I think, of overunity performance. It is actually up to YOU to put numbers on your claim, numbers that are standard and interpretable. Work, or equivalently energy, that is, Force x Distance, is the conserved quantity. You have not, as far as I can see, ever answered with numbers that would allow us to know the ratio of work input to work output. Yet, for a claim of overunity performance to be credible, this information must be known, in those terms, by "somebody" along the chain of analysis. Surely your engineers know the answer and can put it into the form required for others, classically trained and straitjacketed by our educations, to understand it.

How much energy, or equivalently, how much work must you do to produce your six inches of stroke at 3.7 times per minute? And how much energy, or equivalently, how much work do you recover from your 30 cu in of hydraulic fluid at 640 psi?
You have left out something critical: with what force must you push, over what distance, to obtain a flow of 30 cu in at 640 psi?

It's not up to your skeptics to provide you with information. Rather, if you really want to convince people that you've got what you claim, then you should be ready and willing to meet all their reasonable objections and questions with solid answers that are interpretable and make sense. I agree that the people who simply drop "stink bombs" and run away are not necessarily useful. But people like microcontroller, Seamus 10n, and myself are asking you to support your claim with real data... that's all. And we are telling you that, so far, your data are not providing that support. You should actually be thankful for that.... because at the very least we are making, or asking, you to firm up your argument, like a rehearsal for the "big time" exposure you'll be getting "when" your system is fully proven.