I posted last week that a square build was in progress and I did have some sheet stock and made a few practice glue joints. Testing those joints proved they wouldn't hold up long and I received a few PMs with concern for binding in the square config. Back to the board... I also checked all the links for acrylic sources and could not come up with the right sizes to build consistent .125 spacing and wall thickness; until I found eplastics.

I did a mill test yesterday to see how well I could cut consistent grooves in plastic and the results were quite good for a first attempt so... This morning I ordered material for a 4.25 x 12 ( 16" to 24" with the extensions ), 3 layer model. ( no where near $2000 )

Wish I'd started sooner, by the time I'm finished the official demonstrator and documentation will probably be out but I just couldn't wait... 

Quote from: wildew on August 13, 2012, 10:48:26 AM
I posted last week that a square build was in progress and I did have some sheet stock and made a few practice glue joints. Testing those joints proved they wouldn't hold up long and I received a few PMs with concern for binding in the square config. Back to the board... I also checked all the links for acrylic sources and could not come up with the right sizes to build consistent .125 spacing and wall thickness; until I found eplastics.

I did a mill test yesterday to see how well I could cut consistent grooves in plastic and the results were quite good for a first attempt so... This morning I ordered material for a 4.25 x 12 ( 16" to 24" with the extensions ), 3 layer model. ( no where near $2000 )

Wish I'd started sooner, by the time I'm finished the official demonstrator and documentation will probably be out but I just couldn't wait...

Great news, must have missed your original post. PM me if you need any improvement in the 'Travis Effect Material Take off Square Shape-4 Riser', like more than 4 Risers.

@Wayne,

Thanks, good explanations. And you're right, I should stick to my goal of helping those who want to learn to understand and not waste time with the deceivers. Unfortunately, I don't have your Christ like patience.

Regards, Larry

Quote from: LarryC on August 13, 2012, 11:18:48 AM

Great news, must have missed your original post. PM me if you need any improvement in the 'Travis Effect Material Take off Square Shape-4 Riser', like more than 4 Risers.

@Wayne,

Thanks, good explanations. And you're right, I should stick to my goal of helping those who want to learn to understand and not waste time with the deceivers. Unfortunately, I don't have your Christ like patience.

Regards, Larry

Patience yes, but not that much, all I can say is that when I accepted the responsibility of bringing the machine to the world - I would not waiver or be mislead - by those who would wish I did not.
I also witnessed the mistakes made by Rossi and Kwok - anger might fuel a few people - but to keep your ground  and character - patience is better - and the truth is the best.
I appreciate a good argument, when one really exists. 
Wayne

I'm glad to hear that there are coming some better explanations of the effect.
Last weekend I modeled for myself a complete cycle of 1 riser based on INVERSE Travis Effect which could lift 1kg over 1cm after  addition of 100grams of water BUT I needed all the energy produced to return back to the original state. I did not modeled n-riser yet.


One question to Mr. Wayne,
Is the Inverse TE considered full equivalent of normal TE. I'm asking as the Inverse TE does not use air.


with kind regards,
Marcel

Quote from: MT on August 13, 2012, 01:30:21 PM
I'm glad to hear that there are coming some better explanations of the effect.
Last weekend I modeled for myself a complete cycle of 1 riser based on INVERSE Travis Effect which could lift 1kg over 1cm after  addition of 100grams of water BUT I needed all the energy produced to return back to the original state. I did not modeled n-riser yet.


One question to Mr. Wayne,
Is the Inverse TE considered full equivalent of normal TE. I'm asking as the Inverse TE does not use air.


with kind regards,
Marcel

Hello MT,
As you have observed - the system pushes as hard down as it does up in the single set up - a single layer has a reduced input as compared to Archimedes' - and you measure the equivalent of one full mass.
That mass is equal to Both the water you input and the hanging (fixed load) Just like Toms video did.
Adding layers without the separating walls and air gaps - does not equal to reusing the mass (which is critically important).
p.s. You should re post your picture it is right for a one layer system -


Now:
In the system just as mine multi layers - the force is both up and down - it might seem to be pushing down harder because the weight of the system is pushing down with the heads - but you pay for that on the way back up.
Operational note - we do not add air to the system after starting - only the initial set up - and we transfer water instead of air.

Cool thinking! I hope this helps - but always check for yourself - I could be wrong - I test eveything....

Wayne