Quote from: TinselKoala on August 15, 2012, 12:42:10 AM
All right then mags... perhaps you understand LarryC's system, and thus MrWayne's, better than I do. (I'll be the first to confess that I don't understand MrWayne's explanations, that is for sure.)

YOU explain to me how is the ratio of input work or energy, to the output work or energy, determined for the three layer system that is clearly overunity itself?

Please tell me what the total input energy is to initiate and sustain a cycle, and what the total output energy is for a complete cycle.

What _numbers_ do you compare, to determine the clearly overunity performance of that three-layer system itself?

Is it the 15 volume units in, and the 30 volume units out? And that is supposed to be one complete cycle back to a starting point so you can do it again.. and again... and again.... gaining 15 volume units each time, and putting it.......

Sigh.

"YOU explain to me how is the ratio of input work or energy, to the output work or energy, determined for the three layer system that is clearly overunity itself? "

Hey, Im just showing an example that if 'you', TK, have not got a grip on this in 24 hours, then these guys would need to spend as much time more or less as Webby or Larry to come to similar conclusions, and congratulations from Wayne to level 1. whats wrong with that?

And whats all this demand this and demand that?  Why should I give the gold to just anybody that thinks that kind of talk will get them results? What is that? Am I Egor? ;]

I suppose if I say I know how it basically works, I am under some requirement to divulge? Now I should be trolled to death for stating such. lol


I think you and Larry have a tiny bit of tension. Maybe if things were nicer, you guys might be on the same level by now.  Maybe, I dont really know.

I do know that larry is tired of Micro, and MH. So maybe some of that stuck, and you giving him the 4th degree is feeling much the same.  So maybe the answers you get are all that anyone thinks you deserve, so far. Ya cant earn it with GIMME NOW!! this aint Goodfellas.  ;]

I would like to see you figure it out.  I think you know that you will have to build it to see if things are different than what you imagine.  ;] Just like the SN device. Did you know it was going to be called a Super Nova and why, before you built it? ;] How could you? ;]

MaGs

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 14, 2012, 09:03:18 PM

May I please have some suggestions as to how to measure the "head pressure" in this system?

I could put a basic improvised manometer on the bottom of the first receiving cylinder... but this whole system is a manometer anyway, so I'm not sure of the probative value of that, although I myself would accept its indications.

I'll put my spoke in as well - I also protest at Stefan's actions against the three - if I want cheerleading disciples I go to a football match where I can appreciate them - a discussion is about challenge & response [kept civil] - Wayne has made the claims, others are attempting to clarify the theory & protocol in its simplest form - enough said from me about that.

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Off the top of my head TK I would say you have two quick methods - you can probably think of others - the first the peizo as Mond said - I would suggest that a simple visual aid like a manometer tube for each section would give results to test the theory of all systems having the same or increasing head.

The idea is this - for each cylinder bore a hole near the bottom - insert a clear plastic tube & run it vertically to 7 feet - over the end of the tube that is inserted in the flow sections cover it with a water proof elastic membrane [like a balloon].

Set the system at rest then depress the plunger piston - if there is a substantial pressure increase in each progressive cylinder it will balloon out the membrane into the tubing interior [i.e. the membrane is a pressure transmitter but not a volume conduit].

When the piston is depressed fully [& the membranes are visually showing deformation, either the same, similar or vastly different for each section] then using a syringe add water to the manometer tubes until the membrane deformation reverses & goes back to normal - if this takes 7 foot of water at any time then the horizontal series system is analogous to a vertical column in pressure terms.

P.S. mark the water levels before allowing the membranes to move.

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Larry C's comments were relating to showing "a simple explanation of energy advantage"

Air is compressible - the far right tube is open to the air - the air gaps will be compressed slightly by weight of water - the compression acts like a spring - the mid sections may show a slight increase in localized pressure for height - however the overall column length of water & air will be foreshortened by that slight compression - so the last column in the right cylinder will not rise the full height of restoration.

P.S. If the mediums were changed to virtually non compressibles such as mercury & water as Larry has suggested then how does this theory of same head pressure [i.e. height] pan out for mixed densities other than a gas ?

ATEOTD I believe you are dead on - this is leverage principles where the effort in equals the load out - IOW's Input equals Output for each system but more sections models require lesser input for lesser output.

I still don't see the "energy advantage" that these models were supposed to show ?

If your experiments show anything vastly different than what I suspect then I will be most surprised & interested - good for you for giving them a go.

Quote from: Magluvin on August 15, 2012, 01:40:25 AM
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I would like to see you figure it out.  I think you know that you will have to build it to see if things are different than what you imagine.  ;] Just like the SN device. Did you know it was going to be called a Super Nova and why, before you built it? ;] How could you? ;]

MaGs

No, I didn't, and in fact I was astounded that it worked at all, really, or that my little "tweaks" would be so effective. But there are no principles broken, nothing that will get me a team of engineers and a bale of cash to help me develop the Inductive Wireless Power System that will Eliminate the Need for Heavy Batteries and Expensive and Dangerous Supercapacitors in Electric Cars...or that would even Supply Power for On-Board Electrolysis, plenty of it, to run your ancient ICE-car on H2 gas from the water-filled fuel tank. No.... nobody is interested in stuff like that... even though I can demonstrate and prove every single claim I've made for it, anywhere anytime on demand....  because it isn't "overunity." Or at least I'm not saying it is.

Quote from: seamus103 on August 15, 2012, 02:10:27 AM
It would be evident to many that you are becoming dangerously close to your own definition of a troll.

Just stick to debating the facts. There have been many valid questions asked that are still not answered in a satisfactory way.

Na, Im anti troll.  ;]  As for unanswered questions, the smart ones are finding those answers for themselves.
And the ones that are not trying to find out for themselves, from what is given so far, what can i say?

Seamus, where are your charts? Where are your risers that dont work according to plan? ;]  Otherwise, what is to debate? You have no evidence thus far. Tell us what is being done wrong in Larry's charts. Rewrite them to show your side of the story. Make some risers and get out the bucket. ;]  Unless you have seen or built one yourself, how can you say you fully understand what is going on as a whole? You cant. You make assumptions based on rules. Your not seeing the whole picture, yet. ;]

Be cool, thats all. Have a bit of patience. As you can see, pressure isnt working to get answers. Thats for sure.

MaGs

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 15, 2012, 02:41:37 AM
No, I didn't, and in fact I was astounded that it worked at all, really, or that my little "tweaks" would be so effective. But there are no principles broken, nothing that will get me a team of engineers and a bale of cash to help me develop the Inductive Wireless Power System that will Eliminate the Need for Heavy Batteries and Expensive and Dangerous Supercapacitors in Electric Cars...or that would even Supply Power for On-Board Electrolysis, plenty of it, to run your ancient ICE-car on H2 gas from the water-filled fuel tank. No.... nobody is interested in stuff like that... even though I can demonstrate and prove every single claim I've made for it, anywhere anytime on demand....  because it isn't "overunity." Or at least I'm not saying it is.

Your missing my point.   What I meant was, you were not expecting Super Nova mode. I looked at several vids on Yt of those loop devices and none of them had shown the Super Nova mode that yours did, ou or not.

Im making a similarity that you believe your only going to get what you expect from the build. So maybe if you build it, you might find more than you expect. ;]

Heck, I wanna see what you come up with. I think that your the greatest. ;]

Ill end this here.

MaGs