Quote from: TinselKoala on September 19, 2012, 04:27:13 PM
...The only way that I can see for anything like extra pressure or volume to come OUT of the system is for matter to be created WITHIN the system... Yet it is the same thing as claiming that extra work comes out of the system.

I think you have that backwards.  The traditional view is that to extract energy out of a closed system, mass has to disappear from within the system.

@TK

Quote.... any chance for a new video?

I started out to do just that both last night and Monday night. The more I tried to get set up to do ... something. The more I struggled with "video of what?". What, exactly do I have to demonstrate beyond what I did on the weekend... Not much.
One thing for sure, with the small diameter feed tube and working on seeing just how little head change I could get it to lift and sink,,, you would NOT have wanted to watch Corn grows faster than water moves at those minor pressure differentials....

When I get the testing started on the 2U I'll shoot another, promise
Dale

Quote from: TinselKoala on September 19, 2012, 04:27:13 PM
there has to be something... matter which takes up space... increasing. The only way that I can see for anything like extra pressure or volume to come OUT of the system is for matter to be created WITHIN the system. Do you find this hard to believe? Yet it is the same thing as claiming that extra work comes out of the system.

Hi Guys,
I thought I should post a helping pointer,
Wayne could have given you more insight over time but that wouldn't have helped if you do not believe in OU. 
But then, you do not believe that Wayne has OU to start with,  so nothing is lost. 
But then it is said "there has to be something... ", why ?  that 'something' can not speak to you when your ears do not want to hear.
This is starting to sound like the message from the prophets in the bible.
Their message was simple so is this one ! So is the solution a simple one !
From a helping hand,

PS: Congrats Dale, you did a fine job building that Zed, I like you method for water injection. I am sure you will get some good results out of it. Remember that your dominant lift force comes from the largest area with the largest pressure, which is the difference between the flat top and the layered one.

Quote from: see3d on September 19, 2012, 04:34:06 PM
I think you have that backwards.  The traditional view is that to extract energy out of a closed system, mass has to disappear from within the system.

I don't have anything backwards, I just left out the critical part: In order to continue running and producing useful work. The Zed works.... or rather is alleged to work... by transferring pressure from one side to the other, in one way or another.  Try this with your own however complicated system of pistons and cylinders.... and you will find that the pressure increase in one side is offset by a volume decrease on the other side. You can cycle the same pressure/volume change back and forth, putting in work to offset your losses.... but you can't take any work out of the system unless you cause some pressure or volume change _somewhere else_ outside the system. And this will have to be replaced somehow.

Where do the floating generators capturing wave energy get the energy from?