Quote from: Red_Sunset on September 20, 2012, 04:45:19 AM
Gents, lets be constructive here,

It looks like the tables have changed, life tends to be circular.  It appears to me all guess work what is currently presented here. Nobody seems even to remember what has been presented before in this tread. If you say that Wayne made the statement "Energy is created in the ZED", lets not even go to "Mass creation", then please refer to that post for reference. It can be categorically stated that he never said that.  You know what he said if you care to know... 
From what I read, there appears to be an inkling of believe remaining in this tread that Wayne discovered something new... So why reinvent the wheel or beat around the bush, just go to the source for the knowledge.

Proposed solution
The dilemma you are in needs a positive outlook in order to get out of your stalemate. Drop for a moment the steadfastness to Thermodynamics (you can always come back to your principle believes later, nothing is lost). 
The fastest way to find the answers to your questions is to go back and read, analyze all the mails from Wayne and with the additional knowledge you have already gained, you would have no difficulty to reach the answers that will disclose he magical Pandora's box of the Zed principles (travis effects) that he discovered and that can create OU.

This is my best advice

Come on, Red, are you really going to start playing semantics games at this late date?

OF COURSE MrWayne is claiming to create energy with this system. EVERY TIME he says that it will run itself with no input power and make useful output power, 36 watts running lights, remember....EVERY TIME he claims excess efficiency over 100 percent... EVERY TIME he makes those claims he is claiming to create energy or excess work, same thing.
Judge for yourself... is MrWayne saying he has 160 percent efficiency... or are we fishing for eels with a coarse net once again?

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"Research and development" The Newly designed Input system replaces the bag system - we have two in testing - the testing is verifying the spread sheets, and the results are confirming the theory. This new input system utilizes the lateral gravitational function of our ZED, does not produce work - just changes the condition and usage of the mass and density of our input - or in simple simple terms - it nearly eliminates the input cost to our ZED. With this replacing the bag system - instead of using the production to run the system - almost all of the production is NET - that is a big monumental discovery in itself. When you say 160% efficient - you only have 60 percent to provide to the customer - but with this improvement - we will have most of the 160% to provide to the consumer - that is more than twice as much NET form the same system. As you can tell - we are all really excited about this.

http://mrwaynesbrain.com/index.php/current-objectives

So now is Red_Sunset backing off from the claim that the Zeds create energy? Now that we've seen how ridiculous that claim is, since it must involve pressure increase without corresponding volume decrease..... Red is telling us that MrWayne categorically never claimed that the Zeds created energy?

Then he asks Seamus10n " WHERE IS YOUR SCIENTIFIC REBUTTAL THAT THE ZED CAN NOT CREATE OU ? " ?? From which I _infer_ that Red is OK with MrWayne's claim that the Zeds can -- and do -- "create OU".

Look here, Red.... either you think it's OU and creating energy, or you don't. You actually cannot have it both ways, depending on whether you are talking to me or Seamus.

And my automobile, for example, doesn't give a hoot whether or not I have a positive outlook about internal combustion engines or not. It starts up when I turn the key, or I can find out why not fairly easily. Zeds are, or should be, no different: my outlook has no bearing on whether they work or not.

I see that the idea of the exhaust being used as input is raising queries, so I thought I'd put down how I thought it would be used.

In the attached I've drawn six stages of how I see it working:
1. Staring state, never to be returned to, water filling tank has tank all the water, tanks A and B contain pods not doing much.
2. Pre-charged state. We have input work in pumping water so that the water could travel from the filling tank to tank A. The pod is held down while filling.
3. Pod is let go, gravity/buoyancy kicks in and we have the potential to take work out of the system as the pod floats.
4. The water is let out of the exhaust pipe which goes towards filling the tank B. No extra work here from us. The pod in Tank A sinks, another potential area to take from the system.

This is as far as my spreadsheet got (apart from filling tank B!). I know my spreadsheet suggested that this may have been OU. I'm now getting in to double checking things out, so lets assume that I made an error, which I think most are sure of and comfortable with, and although it's not OU at this point, it isn't far off...

5. The water that wont flow naturally, is now be pumped to tank B. This must be less work than was required to fill the original tank, since we've less water to pump (some of it's already in tank B), over the same distance to the same height.
6. Pod in tank B is let go, gravity/buoyancy kicks in and we have the potential to take work out of the system. This potential must be the same as step 3 as it's a pod with the same dimensions, submerged to the same depth.

Now effectively we are back to 2 and we can repeat the steps to get the water back to Tank A.

Now I don't know if the work required for pumping can be overcome by the floating/sinking work of the pod(s), but if my earlier spreadsheet was in the right ball park, even if not OU in and of itself, might this reduction of the energy required to fill tank B, due to recycling the exhaust water from tank A, be the nudge required to get us over the line?

Amo

Quote from: seamus103 on September 20, 2012, 06:07:58 AM
I haven't seen one scrap of it so far.
The theory that re-use of the exhaust of one Zed to 'reduce the input cost' of another can be discounted using logic alone.
If this 'reduced input cost' can be extracted to power an external load then that potential MUST be replenished from SOMEWHERE... This 'somewhere' has never been disclosed.
Please tell us just where this 'somewhere' is, and I'd be happy to explain why you are mistaken.

Seamus & All,

I do not want to drag this out longer than needed. Let me describe the game plan that appears to be misunderstood.
Nobody needs to proof anything to anyone, Wayne's challenge was a challenge for discovery. He knows what he has, and doesn't need your sanctification to make it the truth. 
Wayne issued sufficient information with the challenge for you to uncover the rest for yourself. If you uncover it, you earned it.

That created 3 categories of contestants, 
1.. Took the challenge and discovered the OU secret (the Eureka category) 
2.. The one's that are still trying to discover, following Wayne's row of dots.
3.. The one's that diverted onto their own path and some of Wayne's dots.
4.. The one's that issued their own challenge for the OU to be proven to them.

You know what happened in the past.
If you want to change the future and change the world, take the challenge !
This challenge is not made for who chooses the easy way out, they may observe it from the sidelines (so it might not be for you seamus)

PS:  Wayne issued "prize money" twice to get involved. You can look at this from a suspicious angle (like what does he want, what is his profit?) or You can look at this from within his background "TEACHING". a drive what has his central focus, it is as innocent as that. 

That is all I can say. the stage is yours,
Michel

MrWayne's background is in teaching? No offense intended but I find that concept nearly as bizarre as the thought of an overunity hydraulic jack.

@Red_Sunset. I was interested in your list of categories of contestants; particularly category number one. "Took the challenge and discovered the OU secret [The Eureka Category.]" The word "Took" is the past tense. So presumably, there are people out there who have a successful replication, and know how it works. This being the case, when are their results going to be published? I had assumed that mrwayne`s purpose in issuing the Challenge was publicity and independent verification. My question is, who is hiding their light under a bushel, and for what purpose? Do you have information that the rest of us lack?