Quote from: TinselKoala on September 20, 2012, 07:29:25 AM
OF COURSE MrWayne is claiming to create energy with this system. EVERY TIME he says that it will run itself with no input power and make useful output power, 36 watts running lights, remember....EVERY TIME he claims excess efficiency over 100 percent... EVERY TIME he makes those claims he is claiming to create energy or excess work, same thing.
Judge for yourself... is MrWayne saying he has 160 percent efficiency... or are we fishing for eels with a coarse net once again?http://mrwaynesbrain.com/index.php/current-objectives

TinsleKoala,
I am on the train in the station, looking out of the window, I see only the train on the adjacent line and it starts move.  My first reaction is that the train I am on started to move, but looking out through the other window and seeing the fixed fixtures of the station tell me immediately, no we are not moving.

Your confusion has a similar basis.
What I understand with these efficiency statements in relationship to the Zed is not the energy is created,
160 % is 60% more output than input. The output creation is standard output adhering to normal known physics. So there is no need to convert mass or the like to get it. No magic.
The magic is with the input, only ~60% of verifiable energy was spent to get this output.  Where the remaining 40% is coming from is obviously from gravity. The whole process can be tangibly explained and observed,. It is understood what creates the loophole, but why or how mother nature allows this loophole is '??'

I am not going to repeat what I posted before about angles and viewpoints,  but how you look at something can make the difference between night and day.  The doctrine of thermodynamic is real but at the same time blinds you.

Michel

Quote from: TinselKoala on September 20, 2012, 08:11:14 AM
MrWayne's background is in teaching? No offense intended but I find that concept nearly as bizarre as the thought of an overunity hydraulic jack.

My dear Koala,

There is a saying that listening is 100 times more important than talking.
Your question  "MrWayne's background is in teaching? " tells me you do not read what has been posted by Wayne ! 
That doesn't look good on what this says about your reading, understanding and connecting Wayne's dots ?

Go and do a search through Wayne's posting and you will see his connection with teaching in a "business company context"

Quote from: Red_Sunset on September 20, 2012, 08:26:44 AM
My dear Koala,

There is a saying that listening is 100 times more important than talking.
Your question  "MrWayne's background is in teaching? " tells me you do not read what has been posted by Wayne ! 

My dear Sunset....  I was only quoting YOU.

Quote from: Red_Sunset on September 20, 2012, 07:49:20 AM
(snip).... or You can look at this from within his background "TEACHING". a drive what has his central focus, it is as innocent as that. 

That is all I can say. the stage is yours,
Michel

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That doesn't look good on what this says about your reading, understanding and connecting Wayne's dots ?

Go and do a search through Wayne's posting and you will see his connection with teaching in a "business company context"

Well, is that the context in which YOU brought up MrWayne's teaching? I don't think so.

You are engaging in semantic games here, Red_Sunset. MrWayne has claimed OverUnity, excess work, a device that runs itself and makes excess usable output, more work going out than went in, continuously. If you would like to explain AS A TEACHER MIGHT, just how this can happen WITHOUT making excess energy or matter, I would be glad to read very carefully your words and connect all your dots. But if you want to weasel and squirm and try to claim that MrWayne is NOT claiming that he has a self running machine .... then go ahead. I mean after all.... it only runs for less than four hours anyway, so the "self-running" part still hasn't been demonstrated, and there still doesn't seem to be a table top self powered water pump using a Zed (except for mine). I guess the Official Teams of Replicators must not be reading carefully or connecting the dots either, or they'd be done by now.

Quoting Red again,

QuoteYour confusion has a similar basis.
What I understand with these efficiency statements in relationship to the Zed is not the energy is created,
160 % is 60% more output than input. The output creation is standard output adhering to normal known physics. So there is no need to convert mass or the like to get it. No magic.
The magic is with the input, only ~60% of verifiable energy was spent to get this output.  Where the remaining 40% is coming from is obviously from gravity. The whole process can be tangibly explained and observed,. It is understood what creates the loophole, but why or how mother nature allows this loophole is '??'

This is gobbledegook.

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